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April 26, 2006, 1:09 pm PDT

It takes two, therefore two should have the say.....

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Okay, now let's take off the rose-colored glasses.  The majority of women who get pregnant "accidentally" do so to trap the men for 1 of 2 reasons:  1) a steady income for 18 years; 2) to get the man to possibly marry her or at least be under her control for 18 years. 

  

I have 3 boys.  I tell my oldest, who is 17, to always protect himself no matter what, because women will lie and try to get pregnant to trap him and to NEVER believe a woman when she says she has taken care of the birth control or that she can't get pregnant.  It's terrible that I have to teach him what liars women are, but there you go. 

I agree that women trap men, which is why this subject had a major effect on my thinking about this.  I am a female who has had a child.  I am also a female who terminated a pregnancy VERY EARLY, because I was told it was not what my partner wanted and I was the one that got pregnant.    

   

I fully 100% agree with the gentleman on the show.  He was up front and forthright with her that he absolutely wanted no children.  I feel it is the responsibility of the woman totally to make sure she is protected.  She is the one that is going to get pregnant not him and she is the one given the choice of what to do with the pregnancy when she concieves, not him.  So don't you think the responsibility of being protected should be on the shoulders of the female if she doesn't want to be pregnant or agree with terminating, or adoption?  I do very wholeheartedly.  If she doesn't make him wear a condom, which let's be realistic here guys, men will do what they can to get out of it, it's her fault not his.  I know I am going to get a lot of flack about it but that is where the ultimatum comes in.  Girly, if you want to have sex with this man, you better be prepared to mother a child that may or may not be wanted by your partner.  Otherwise keep your pants on.  I'm sorry but it's a womans choice to chose what to do when she gets pregnant, I feel the gentleman on the show has a very valid point and I don't think he should have to be responsible if he doesn't want to have anything to do with the child.  If he wants to see her then that is different.  I think in this country, we should give the men the right to sign over all rights.  Meaning they are giving up their child to the biological mother. If his parents want to see the child, then they can pay the child support to have Grandparental rights.   Maybe in this country by doing that, we would prevent unwed mothers from making choices that result in unwanted pregnancy.  I think a change in the legal system about this would definately open the eyes of any woman that decides she wants to have sex with the possibility, even with full protection, of getting pregnant.    

   

I would go on but I could write a novel about this.    

 
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April 26, 2006, 1:14 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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So raising a child without benefit of the father being there thats not a responsibility. Oh good to know I guess all these single moms raising the child by themselves some working two jobs just to make ends meet because the father won't pay his child support well they are just foot loose and fancy free. 

Well, maybe the female shouldn't be button loose and panty free.  If you don't want to be a single mother, DON'T HAVE SEX!  If you discuss the possibilities of becomeing pregnant and your partner objects to children very strongly, keep your pants on.  I get so sick of hearing about dead beat dads.  Dead beat dads are the men that fathered wanted children in a marriage or relationship and took off without taking responsibilities.  It takes more than a sperm doner to be a dad. 

 
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April 26, 2006, 1:22 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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Then, don't have sex and take chances or go get an operation ! 

Its amazing how man hating sexist BIGOTS scream for women to have choices, but then 

scream for men NOT to have any ! 

So, your claim is also the claim against ALL women-only choices. Buh bye abortion... 

" Her body, her choice... HER *responsibility* ! " 

  

I agree.  If you don't want to get knocked up, don't lay down.  It's pure and simple.   Unless you are raped, the only other choice you have is to keep your pants on.  It's called %100 effective birth controll. 
 
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April 26, 2006, 1:42 pm PDT

I agree

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People who weigh that much have an eating disorder. People do not gain that much weight with correct thinking and a normal relationship with food. People who even weigh as much as I do are likely to have serious issues with food and incorrect thinking.

Your advice is too simplistic and shows you do not understand the problem.

And it is "a bad situation when food=love"...it's COMPLICATED.  And focusing on something they are interested in isn't going to help.

I just don't think you understand. I think maybe you are one of those people who has never been fat. Again, it's complicated.

I too struggle with weight.  Not 700 pounds but over 200.  I get so tired of skinny people talking like it's so easy just don't make bad choices.  Just like it would be easy for me to stop smoking because I never have so I wouldn't understand the addiction. People who are overweight didn't get there because they have the metabolism of a marathon runner like some skinny people.  There are so many facts and reasons people gain the weight they do.  Unfortunately, you can't just quit eating like you can quit smoking.  It's about support, getting to the root of the problem, and LOTS OF EDUCATION!   

Plus, I've seen many thin people at McDonalds.  And they look at you like you shouldn't be eating that stuff.  It's quite annoying.  Just becuase you are skinny doesn't mean you're healthy.  In fact you can be obese when you are skinny.  It means you have more body fat than muscle mass.   

Personally, I'm not fat, I'm big boned.   heee hee  

 

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