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April 21, 2006, 4:13 pm PDT

disgusted...

Those 3 men were absolutly disgusting! You have to be kidding! If he wants to make sure he isn't a father, he shouldn't have sex! That's the only way to be 100% sure. And what choice should he have once she is pregnant. She is the one who has to be pregnant for 9 months, give birth, and then be the main caretaker of the child. I agree that it is just another way for dead beat dads to get away with not taking care of their kids! My dad has 3 children all from different mothers and im sure he owes child support for all of them because i know he's behind with mine. It is unbelievable that old men think they know whats best for a woman and her child...
 
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April 21, 2006, 4:16 pm PDT

Amen

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I am surprised that in this day and age young men still don't get it. Men you and only you are responsible for what you don't want to happen in your sex life. Knowing that  condoms break  and sh***  happens that is the reality of life. Matte left his life in someone else's hands. Sorry bud pay up and grow up you might find it makes you a better person.

Its good to know that some guys know when you have to step up and be a man and take responsibility for what you took part in! Thank you for being a grown up. :)  

 
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April 21, 2006, 4:34 pm PDT

are you insane??

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 -- we used to say, thirty or forty years ago, when an unmarried woman got pregnant that "she should have kept her legs together."  We shamed her and held her fully responsible for the consequences.  We hid her away somewhere until after the baby was born and could be adopted out.

I don't see how what you're saying is any different, except that now you're applying this backward attitude to the man rather than the woman.

It's arguable that 18 *years* of payments is a much tougher road to hoe than several months of pregnancy, which when done with can be gone past and largely forgotten.  $108,000 is a lot to pay for sex by anyone's standard.  How about she give him the baby and the $500 a month?

On a related note, one of the great myths is that men don't like and won't use condoms.  The untold story is all the women out there who are trying to get men to *not* use a condom.  This pressure usually comes at a crucial point in the proceedings where the man is especially vulnerable.  Presumably these hookers (in the literal sense of the word) are quite aware that once a guy's dick gets wet he's on the hook for 18 years of child support payments.  Kinda puts a new spin on the phrase "getting lucky", no?

I hope the coverage on the show causes men to withdraw even more from women until women figure out many of us guys won't put up with being second class citizens in the area of reproduction any longer.

Perhaps some bright woman out there will even flash on the insight that men won't fight to maintain reproductive rights for women when we don't have any such rights ourselves -- other than not to participate.

That's what happens every time the abortion debate comes up.  Yea, in principle I may be firmly in favor of legal abortion, but then I realize I really don't have any stake in it one way or the other.  So don't ask me to march, right my congressperson, or vote for your candidate.  Until I have reproductive rights also.

When you choose to have unprotected sex, you know every risk that is involved! Like you said "back 40 years ago", yah lets just go back to when women had no rights and we were just supposed to stay home and have babies. Lets not progress at all like normal human beings.... You must have no idea how much money it takes to raise a child. Do you really think $500 a month even close to covers the costs, let alone the time and energy?? Get real...And you know what, there are guys out there that step up and take the kid when the mother is unfit, but when a guy has an attitude like yours do you think they want you to raise that child??  And what you say about condoms and a man being "vulnerable"...come on...guys will say or do anything in the heat of the moment just to get some. Everyone knows it...And did you ever think of being in the women's shoes?? you're not the one that would have to live with the choice of giving up your baby by having an abortion. You would just be happy that you wouldn't have to pay...be a man and take responsibility for what you do when you know the consequences....sorry the vagina doesn't come with a warning label!!!  

 
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April 21, 2006, 4:47 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

Quote From: biggity10

I am a single mom of a 4 month old baby. The father of my son wants nothing to do with him. Yes i made the choice to have sex but i am also responsible for my actions. Why should my child have to suffer. No I wasn't ready to become a mother either, but we have to realize that the child is the innocent one here, he didn't choose this we chose it for him. I don't believe in abortion so that was never an option for me. I couldn't believe how many people told me I should have an abortion because it wasn't fair for my child to be raised without a father, and that I wouldn't be able to give him the life he deserves. But is it really fair to end the life of an innocent child because of one careless, irresponsible, night of pleasure? I can not believe how cruel and inhumane people can be. That's what 's wrong with our society people are not responsible for their actions whatever it may be and often go for the easy way out of things. If you are big enough to do the "crime" then you should be big enough for the consequences.  I don't regret my choice in choosing to keep my child, I regret the actions that lead me to this situation and my irresponsibility. I also regret the type of person I chose to be the father of my child. And no It's not about the money and it has never been about money, its about a human life.  If your man enough to do the deed then be man enough to pay the price. This is a CHILD!  Although raising my son on my own is the hardest thing I have ever had to do, its all worth it and I would do it again. A child is a blessing, a true gift from God and I love my son more than anything.
It's horrible that someone would tell you to get an abortion just because your baby wouldn't have a dad in thier life. My dad has never been present in my life besides birthday parties and christmas. I am so proud of my mom for working her butt off to get a college education while working and only being 19 when she had me. Even though i didn't have a dad, i had a ton of other male roll models such as uncles and my grandpa. And i spent a lot of time when i was younger being babysat by relatives which has made me that much closer to them today...My mom is one of the strongest people I know and I hope when your baby grows up he realizes the sacrafices you've made for him and knows he is loved beyond belief....keep going strong...anything is possible! :)
 
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April 21, 2006, 4:59 pm PDT

totally agree with poodlepink

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I sure hope they can figure out which women really are lying and which ones aren't because as soon as they pass a law that men that were tricked into a pregnancy don't have to pay for their own flesh and blood child, a million loser men will stand up and say their lover lied.  

 It is a truly bizarre notion that there are women who just decide they'll sacrifice their bodies, and all they go through during pregnancy, much less the diaper changing, caring for a sick or difficultchild, all for frickin $500 a month?? That's absurd to believe things like that. But young men and women do get 'excited' for each other. That's right, women have a libido too and it's time we admit it!! 

You could never make a law on something like that because there is no way to tell who is lying about a deceiving women. And maybe those unfortunate men should know the women better before they decide to have sex with her. It still comes down to the fact that no matter what the women tells you, you still take that risk. No matter what she says, you have to take responsibility for your actions. Its not like a women could also go to court and say, " well he gave me herpes and i wasn't ready to have herpes!" sometimes you don't get to choose. If you want to have to same rights women have and go through everything women go through in their lives...then i guess you should become a women!! 
 
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April 21, 2006, 5:06 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

Quote From: mekagirl

I will get into trouble here for this one, but here goes - 

  

She had sex too and unprotected sex herself...if he was clear about not wanting to be a dad, my humble opinion is that she needs to shoulder the burden herself - she needs to quit being greedy and just going after him for money 

  

She chose to have this baby, and he did not 

  

I think he should not be responsible at all 

Regardless of what she said, he still should've protected himself if he was that intent on not having kids...why should she be responsible for protecting his interests???
 
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April 21, 2006, 5:15 pm PDT

yes please be realistic...

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I agree with the men from the show, sorry ladies. They should also have a choice in whether or not to reproduce. When my husband and I first started dating this was something that we talked about. My husband fully wanted more kids even though he has two older boys from previous relationships. If Matt explained to the woman that he did not want to have kids, his feelings should have been taken into account. I believe that they had a verbal contract that was broken by this woman. This is not a question of should he provide for the child, it's a question of were his rights under the Constitution violated, and I believe that they were. Yes both parties are responsible, but when do the men get to have a say so in the reproductive process. If when a woman says no it means no, why is it not the same for men? Matt I think that you are doing the right thing. My suggestion to you is keep on fighting for your rights not only as a tax paying, breathing individual, but also as a man, and a person. Your choice to, or not to have children is a right all your own and no one has the right to take that from you. That is the bottom line.
This guy didn't say no...he said yes im going to have unprotected sex with you. A women shouldn't have to protect a man's interest. For his own sake he should've protected himself. It isn't her responsibility to protect him from fatherhood! Women have more rights because we're the ones who have to take care of the child and bare the main burden. Honestly, paying child support is nothing compared to everything the mother has to do. Men need to stop complaining, grow up, be a man, and if you don't want kids use a condom or don't have sex at all...men have a choice...
 
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April 21, 2006, 5:25 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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Equal rights should be for everyone.   

   

For those that don't agree with the 3rd Fact please refer back to the 1st Fact.   

Men weren't born with the ability to have children. You have to make the choice of being a father or not, before conception. Sorry, that's the way life is. You can't just keep making up laws so everything will go your way. Just take responsiblilty for what you do...its really not that difficult. 

 
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April 21, 2006, 5:29 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

Quote From: cindy_asch

Her body her choice.  His quality of life for twenty years.  The effect of child support and unwanted fatherhood has drastic ramifications on the life of a man.  Most people posting are so concerned about a woman's body and not about the man's life.  BOTH are precious.  If you are giving the woman power over her body, give the man power over his life!!!!
You act like if a man father's a baby it takes away his whole life. Unfortunatly, a man only has to pay child support. Other than that they can do whatever they want! A woman has to actually care for the kid or give it up. What a choice...If this guy was a real man then he would step up and realize the precious moments he will miss in his kids life...he needs to get off his high horse and take care of his own blood whether he wanted it or not.
 
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April 21, 2006, 6:03 pm PDT

i agree

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I agree, unzipp it and live with the responsibility or keep it zipped.  As for the young man - oops boy!!!!!  I think you need to be sterilized and prevented from ever having any other children.  When us women get the choice as to who actually carries and delivers the child, then and only then the men should have a say in the outcome.  I hope that there is not a girl or women alive out there that will ever give you the opportunity to have pleasure again !!!!!!!!   

the only law we should have about this is the one that says as soon as a male has unprotected sex with a woman he gives up his right to choose whether or not the child is born or not. Sorry but thats just the way life works. Women have rights because we bare more responsibility. Im sick to death of guys' whiny attitudes...
 

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