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November 2, 2007, 11:20 pm PDT

Dr.Phil blew it

Why did the teacher and her attorney refuse the polygraph? Only two reasons: she was lying or she was afraid the test was reliable. Also, the teacher was emotionally and defensive only when the boy brought her relationship with a teacher when she was a student. How old was she? She has been lying and deceiving as a child. She obviously does not respect the student teacher boundary.
 
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November 2, 2007, 11:29 pm PDT

No Consent

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I think that the teacher is 100% innocent. Hello...both of those boys failed a polygraph test and fumbled over and over when telling their story! I think that these boys fantasized about their teacher and someone overheard what they were talking about and were confronted about it. Instead of looking like horny perverted 15 year old boys, they decided to put the blame on their teacher to save themselves. I think things just spiraled out of control from there. I doubt that any of the boys wanted to take it this far, but when things started escalating, they didn't want to go back on what they said. I think it was quite clear that this teacher is innocent. I feel bad for her because her life will never be the same. She will always have that stigma. Shame on these boys for ruining her life. I really hope that she will be able to be a teacher again.
Please. They were 15 year old children. Is a 15 year old girl who is said to be more mature horny, when she accuses a male teacher of rape? We are talking about rape. A child can not consent
 
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November 2, 2007, 11:42 pm PDT

Trust her

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Read the transcript again, which is on this site.  You will see that the student 's story makes more sense.  You will also see why he sounds like he is fumbling...because the teacher keeps trying to make him sound like he's lying...and she does a good job on the video, but after reading it, he sounds perfectly legit.  She put him on the ropes...and she made him start ducking and dodging, when in reality we should have been focused on her.  The student accuses her of having sex with him, and her response is about her car headlight?...that doesn't make sense.  Then she explains the coded notes...and if you look at what she says they mean compared to what the student says there is no doubt the students answers make more sense.  She is a professional manipulator, and a master of her craft...enjoy analyzing it...it's absolutely amazing people like this exist.

Doyou trust the female teacher who raped and kidnapped the 13 yr old child and went to Mexico????
 
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November 3, 2007, 9:30 am PDT

She knows no boudaries

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I usually know what side I believe at the end of these shows, but on this one I am confused.

My opinions just from how they acted, the teacher seemed to be being deceptive while the student seemed honest. She didn't give him any eye contact while he maintained eye contact almost throughout. She also seemed to side step quite a bit. As far as the boy hemming and hawing as one writer pointed out, I don't think that shows guilt. How can anyone judge how someone is SUPPOSED to act on a television show with Dr. Phil? This wasn't a private session or anything. It was in front of hundreds of people.

As far as the lie detector test goes, there is a reason why these are NOT admissable in court. It's because they are unreliable. Why would one test show he was being honest and the next show he was lying if they were reliable?

I'd like to hear more about this case in the future.

On a side note, I never miss the show!

There is supposed to be a boundary between student and teacher. It is the job of the teacher to enforce that boundary. She started her relationship with her husband when she was a child. The only emotions she showed was in defense of her own marriage to her teacher. She said "Does that make me a pedophile?" Yes, she has been defending that relationship. She needs to be questioned about that. What grade does her husband teach? SHE IS A LIAR. SHE CROSSED THE LINE. DID PEOPLE NOT LEARN FROM THE CATHOLIC PRIEST CHILD MOLESTATION CASES. SHE HAD SLEEPOVERS!!!

NEXT, THE TEACHER=KIDNAPPER WILL BE PREGNANT AND BE ALLOWED TO MARRY THE 13 YR. OLD CHILD RAPE VICTIM WHEN HE IS 18. RAPE IS ABOUT POWER AND TEACHERS HAVE POWER.

The real issue is that society looks at women as children. Dr. Phil would quickly say that children can't consent. Joelle was raped and now she rapes chilxdren. SLEEPOVERS? THERE IS A BOUNDARY AND IT CAN'T BE CROSSED.

 
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November 3, 2007, 10:29 am PDT

Abused teacher

Quote From: starlet234

Your school experiences sound like something out of a Charles Dickens novel.  The teacher on the Dr. Phil show, in my opinion, has not been abusive with her students.  Yet she has been villified by the entire community and school system.   I believe she was unjustly targeted by these high school students and the facts, so far, seem to bear this out.  Joelle has been the one abused, not the other way around. 
You are right. Joelle was abused. She was molested. But, it was by her teacher turned husband. She is a liar and does know boundaries. She had sleepovers and her husband-abuser condoned and supported it. How come he did get his students or adults to help with the piano. You probably think that the Catholic priests stories are out of a Charles Dickens novel. Protect the children
 
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November 3, 2007, 10:35 am PDT

Naive

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This is absolutely ridiculous.  I, too, believe that these boys are lying, with them it seems the cool thing to do.  Ruining someones life just because they are ashamed to admit it did not happen is unexcusable. 

When abuse happens stories do not change, people remember every minscule thing that happened, almost as if it is being lived again each time they tell it.  These boys can't keep a straight face or story.  Saying they are just now coming forward because they have cousins, neices and nephews getting ready to go to that school is a bunch of bull.  Blaming the teacher for keeping it going is so wrong, she's only keeping it going so she can clear her name.

 

I am not naive, we all know this has happened many times before, this time I just don't think it did. 

What is the relationship with the parents like?  Did the kids not feel like they could go to them when this supposedly happened?  I have heard that victims are ashamed and won't usually tell, but these kids never said they had been threatened if they told so why didn't they? 

 

I have a middle schooler who will be in high school next year, an elementary schooler who will be in middle school and one still in elementary school, I tell them repeatedly, if someone hurts, touches or threatens you no matter what the person says about what will happen if you tell, hurt your brothers/sisters, parents or you, you tell us anyway.  We are the adults and we will handle it, that's what we are here for, kids are never meant to handle adult situations or make adult decisions.  Tell no matter what!!!!  I hope if, GOD forbid, this ever happens to our children, they trust us enough to tell.

 

 

Yes you are naive I suggest you go talk to your children. Remember, the Catholic priests. Also, most parents know their child's rapist.
 
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November 5, 2007, 5:37 pm PST

Watch the show

Quote From: debkurth

 oh, I am getting tired of people leaping before they look.  There was NO sleep overs.  She married at the age of consent, we do not know, nor is it our business how they first meet and it is amazing how we always blame the teacher or "adult".  And SHE is the victum here.

For those of you out there who complain that teachers are not "teaching" but then promply nail all of them to the cross for "calling at home", " having students over the home", being involved with them or in otherworse "caring".  Get a life.  Quit blaming, pointing and throwing all the burden of education onto the school system, when it frankly, is the parents responsbility.

I went over to my teachers homes, my father had his students over his hom.  My uncle took students on field trips.  My father paid students electric bills...so they would have a light and their parents could not...should he "not be involved"?!!!   I was yelled at and frankly quit teaching because of all this...and I CARED.

QUIT JUDGING!!!!!!!!  A child,especially a sexually active 15 year old boy can not lie!  No one has dared to question why he was sexually active at 14-15 years old BEFORE this lie.  Where were his parents?

THE WOMEN IS INNOCENT!

Yes, there was a sleepover and both Joelle and the husband admitted to it. You said, te woman is innocent, well that is judging. Question why he a sexuallyactive at 14-15, souns like yo judginh again. wy don't you just very female rape vitim if they were sexually active before their rape accusation. Oh, it s against the lie. They can not ask the boys.Rape shield laws prevent the disclosure of victims identies, especially children.

 

Get  grip. You probably yelled that the Catholic priests, who were educators shuldbe left alone. They were simply teaching, is that yur thoughts. I applaud what good your uncle did, your father, and you. Is hat wjy you replid, to make settement about your individual life.You were teacher. News flash. You quit teaching because of your caring, but you thnk hat it was not your responsibilty to TEACH but the parents. What is the teachers responsiility? to have sleepovers ad pass coded notes.

 

I guess we will have to wait for the civil rial to find out if Joelle started her relationship and sexual after they were married.

 

IF THIS WERE A MALE TEACHER, MOST OF THE POSTERS WOULD SIDE WITH THE FEMALE STUDENT.

THEY WOULD SAY, WHY WOULD SE LIE AND PUT HERSLF THROUGH ALL OF THIS. THEY WOULD SAY RAPE VICTIMS DON'T LIE.

 

YES, QUIT JUDGING.. SO, I GUESS, YOU DID NOT MEAN TO SAY THAT SHE AS INNOCENT,BECAUE TAT IS JUDGING.

 

WAKE UP PEOPLE, JOELLE REFUSED TO TAKE THE LIE DETECTOR AND HER ATTORNEY WOULD NOT LET HER, BECAUSE HE KNEW SHE WAS LYING. ANYONE WHO THINKS SHE IS INNOCENT AND THE BOYS GUILTY BECAUSE THE BOYS FAILD ONE OF TWO POLYGRAPH TESTS, IS JUST BLIND. IF THE TEST IS RELIABLE, THENSHE WOULD HAV NO REASON NOT TO TAKE IT, UNLESS SHE IS LYNG. BUT, WE WON'T JUDGE.

 

WE WON'T JUDGE, THE FACT THATSHE USED THE WORD PEDOPHILE IN RESPONSE TO MARRYING HER HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER. LISTEN TO WHAT SHESAID IN . "DOES THAT MAKE ME A PEDOPHILE."  I WON'T JUDGE, BUT MAYBE SHE FINALLY REALIZED, THAT SHE MARRIED A PEDOPHILE. THIS VERY THING MAY HAPPEN, WITH THE TEACHER WHO JUST FLED TO MEXICO WITH A 14 YEAR OLD BABY. YOU KNOW A 14 YEAR OLD BOY, WHO IS 2 T 3 YEARS BEHIND GIRLS EMOTIONALLY. THE SCARS ON A BOY ARE DEEPER AND MORE PERMANENT. IF ANYONE DISAGREES,  I WILL CONSIDER THE ARGUMENT, THAT BOYS AE MORE EMOTIONALLY MATURE THAN GIRLS.

 

 
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November 8, 2007, 7:58 pm PST

defending

I watched the show again an I hope that people read this message.

Guilty people defend the accusation. Innocent people profess the truth.

The teacher kept defending herself, by trying to punch holes in the boy's story. She never said that she was at the movies or in the teacher's lounge with anoher teacher or at the DMV. she had t be some whereif she wa ot with the boys. Where is her eye witness.  Even if she was home alone, she could have told what TV show she was watching.

 

Why doe she not do this? Because, when you tell a lie and tell a story, the other side just has to prove that you have no proof and you are forever stuck with that story. If it the truth, then she would tell her story and present her evidence. Speaking of evidence, se has presented none.

 

When a police officer makes an arrest, they always try to get the story before an attorney comes an coaches them. She is being coached but thetruh needs no coaching.

 
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November 12, 2007, 1:29 am PST

53 years now means 6 in 1960

Quote From: emerydean

Come on.......I am 53 years old...I was born and raised in Auburn, AL and blacks call each other the "N" word ALL THE TIME.....so...if they want everybody else to stop....WHY DON'T THEY??????????????????????????????????? HE ISN'T THE FIRST AND WON'T BE THE LAST...LET IT GO...the man says he's sorry and he's does more good than bad.

This is you problem, you grew up with the n.... word. Everyone does not use that word, but I bet you do and you did not use it because you heard blacks.The people you heard were probably clan members. What is your excuse for the Federal Mashalls forcing your schools to let Blacks past and Vote rights. You're not sorry ad neither is he. How many Blacks live in your old Auburn, Al neighborhood.

 

I bet you call your wife bitch, but you probably would even fight  a white man if he called her a bitch.

Were you one of those people who thought OJ Simpson should get sentencd to death, not for murder, but for marrying a white woman.

 

The N word is a word Southern whites used, projecting their own inferiority complex. and inadequacies. In reality Southern whites felt inferior to their Northern counterparts. Southern whites even developed the term Uppity"N" for the Blacks who had the audacity to get more education and wealth than them.

 

You see when anyone, Black or White, uses the word, it is out of ignorance or self-hate.

 

Are you ready to say "Sorry" for he cross burnings, white only places, noose hangings, and hangings which were  a part of Alabama?

 

 

 

 
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November 12, 2007, 1:54 am PST

FEMALE STUDENT

Every one has forgotten, that the boys did nt initiate the complaint A female student complained about what she percieved as inappropiate behavior by the teacher. This started an investiation which led to the boys who were raped by her. If the female student had not gone to administration, the boys they said, likely woud have taken the story to their grave. And, the poem did not identify the teacher. If it had, she would have been fired 6 years ago.

 

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