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March 24, 2008, 5:29 pm PDT

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Must work good for you, not having to consider any facts or realities.

 

Which facts? Which realities? Backed up by what research?

 

Teens taking Abstinence Education classes where found to be more educated about contraceptives than the teens who took the condom classes.

 

Once again, could you CITE your source for this "fact"?

 

The proponents of using condoms and teaching their use, failed one by one to stand up and say that they would use a condom if they knew a person was HIV/AIDs positive.

 

Where are you getting this?

 

Fact is that 22% of lesbian females report that they were sexually abused before the age of 15 years old and it caused them to recoil from men, often even their own father who in many of the cases was not the abuser.

 

Do you have a source for THIS "fact"? And what exactly does it have to do with sex ed?

 

Why compare homosexuality, alcohol, and teen sex? Aren't these the real pressures or is it just sin trying to rise up and over take your teens?

 

I get the teen sex and alcohol, but why are you under the impression that teens are being pressured to be homosexual?

Facts on Abstinence Education
If any one wants the real information on abstinence education, take a glance at the below quoted information.  It addresses comprehensive sex ed programs.    March 30, 2004 Facts about Abstinence Education by Robert E. Rector WebMemo #461

In April, the Senate will vote on reauthorization of welfare reform. The Senate welfare reform legislation will include the reauthorization of the federal governments main abstinence education program. Despite the overwhelming popularity of abstinence education, some groups seek to divert funds away from abstinence and into safe sex programs. These efforts to redirect funds are usually deceptively labeled as support for abstinence plus or comprehensive sex ed programs. The following facts are important to understanding any debate about the future of abstinence education.

 

Fact: Sexual activity at an early age has multiple harmful consequences.

The earlier a teenage girl begins sexual activity the more likely she is to suffer from increased rates of infection with sexually transmitted diseases, increased rates of out-of-wedlock pregnancy and birth, increased rates of single parenthood, decreased marital stability, increased maternal and child poverty, increased abortion, increased depression, and decreased adult happiness.[1

 

Fact: Most sexually active teens say they wish they had waited until they were older before having sex.

Nearly two thirds of sexually active teens state that they regret their initial sexual activity and wish they had waited until they were older before becoming sexually active.[2

 

Fact: Sexually active teens are more likely to be depressed and to attempt suicide.

Sexually active teens are less likely to be happy, more likely to be depressed, and more likely to attempt suicide. Teenage girls who are sexually active are three times more likely to be depressed and three times more likely to attempt suicide than girls who are not active. Teenage boys who are sexually active are more than twice as likely to be depressed and are almost ten times more likely to attempt suicide than boys who are not active.[3

 

Fact: Abstinence education programs are effective in reducing teen sexual activity.

There are currently ten evaluations showing that abstinence education is effective in reducing teen sexual activity. Half of these evaluations have been published in peer-reviewed journals. For example, Not Me, Not Now is a community-wide abstinence program in Monroe County, New York. The program broadcasts pro-abstinence messages to teens through the mass media. The program has been successful in changing teen attitudes. The sexual activity rate of 15-year-olds across the county (as reported on the Youth Risk Behavior Survey) dropped 46.6 percent to 31.6 percent. The pregnancy rate for girls aged 15 through 17 in the county fell by a statistically significant amount from 63.4 pregnancies per 1000 girls to 49.5 pregnancies per 1000.. The teen pregnancy rate fell more rapidly in Monroe County than in comparison counties and in upstate New York in general, and the difference in the rate of decrease was statistically significant. [4

 

Fact: Abstinence programs dramatically reduce out-of-wedlock childbearing.

For more than a decade, abstinence organizations such as True Love Waits have encouraged young people to abstain from sexual activity. As part of these programs, young people are encouraged to make a verbal or written pledge to abstain from sex until marriage. Young women who take a virginity pledge are about 40 percent less likely to have a child out-of-wedlock when compared to  similar young women who do not make pledges, according to recently released data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health. These dramatic findings are valid even when background factors such as socio-economic status, race, religiosity, and other relevant variables are held constant.[5

 

Fact: Government spends $12 to promote contraceptives for every $1 spent on abstinence. In 2002, the federal and state governments spent an estimated $1.73 billion on a wide variety of contraception-promotion and pregnancy-prevention programs. More than a third of that money ($653 million) was spent specifically to fund contraceptive programs for teens. In contrast, programs teaching teens to abstain from sexual activity received only an estimated $144.1 million in the same year. Overall, government spent $12.00 to promote contraception for every one dollar spent to encourage abstinence. If funding for teens alone is examined, government still spent $4.50 on promoting teen contraceptive use for every one dollar spent on teen abstinence.[6

 

Fact: Government spending priorities do not match parental priorities.

Some 85 percent of parents believe that teaching about abstinence should be emphasized as much as, or more than, teaching about contraception. Only 8 percent believe that promoting contraception is more important than abstinence.[7

 

Fact: Comprehensive sex education or abstinence plus programs are merely safe sex programs wrapped in a deceptive label.  

In recent years, a new approach, termed abstinence plus or comprehensive sexuality education, has played a prominent role in the public debate over sex education. According to proponents, abstinence plus or comprehensive sex ed programs place a strong emphasis on abstinence but also contain information about contraception. This approach is presented as the middle ground between safe sex and abstinence.

In reality, comprehensive sex ed programs are nothing more than standard safe sex programs wrapped in a new label. These curricula have little meaningful abstinence content. True abstinence curricula devote, on average, 71 percent of their page content to abstinence. In contrast, comprehensive sex ed curricula, on average, allocate only 4.7 percent of their content to abstinence; the overwhelming focus is on encouraging teens to use contraception.

The brief abstinence message in comprehensive sex ed curricula is weak and equivocal: comprehensive sex ed does not present abstinence as a goal or standard that teens should pursue, but merely as a minor option teens may consider. Comprehensive sex curricula never urge teens to abstain until they finish high school. Even sentences suggesting that young people should wait until they are older before engaging in sex are extremely rare. The principal message that pervades comprehensive sex ed curricula, through repeated example, is that it is okay for teens to have sex as long as they use contraception.[8

 

Fact: Parents overwhelmingly support the values and messages of true abstinence education.

Polls show that parents overwhelmingly support the main themes and messages of abstinence education:

  • 79 percent of parents want teens to be taught that they should not engage in sexual activity until they are married or at least in an adult relationship leading to marriage.
  • 91 percent of parents want teens to be taught that the best choice is for sexual intercourse to be linked to love, intimacy, and commitment. These qualities are most likely to occur in a faithful marriage.
  • 68 percent of parents want sex education programs to teach that individuals who are not sexually active until they are married have the best chances of marital stability and happiness.
  • 91 percent of parents want schools to teach that adolescents should be expected to abstain from sexual activity during high school years.

These themes are central to abstinence education curricula. By contrast, these messages either do not appear in or are directly contradicted by comprehensive sex ed/abstinence plus curricula.[9

 

Fact: Parents overwhelmingly oppose the values and messages of comprehensive sex ed curricula.

Comprehensive sex ed programs teach permissive values that are opposed by nearly all parents:

  • Comprehensive sex ed curricula focus almost exclusively on contraception and include little or no material on abstinence. However, only 2 percent of parents believe abstinence is not important; only 7 percent believe teaching about contraception should have more emphasis than teaching about abstinence.
  • Over 90 percent of parents want sex education programs to teach teens to abstain at least until they have finished high school. Comprehensive sex ed programs do not contain this message, and much of their material implicitly undermines it.
  • In page after page of text, and through example upon example, comprehensive sex  ed curricula are pervaded by the message that it is okay for teens to have sex as long as they use contraception. As long as protection is used, it is difficult to find any example in these programs where voluntary teen is criticized or discouraged. Only 7 percent of parents agree with this permissive message.[10

 

Fact: Comprehensive sex ed programs contain sexually explicit material that is offensive to nearly all parents.

Most comprehensive sex-ed curricula contain sexually explicit and offensive materials. For example, curricula have students practice unrolling condoms on bananas, cucumbers, or model phalluses. Curricula also contain discussions of anal sex and homosexual role-playing and encourage teens to practice mutual masturbation and watch erotic movies. Much material in abstinence plus curricula would be alarming to parents.[11 For example, the curriculum Be Proud! Be Responsible! instructs teachers to:

 

Invite [students to brainstorm ways to increase spontaneity and the likelihood that theyll use condoms. Examples: Store condoms under mattress; Eroticize condom use with partnerUse condoms as a method of foreplay. Think up a sexual fantasy using condoms.Act sexy/sensual when putting condoms on. Hide them on your body and ask your partner to find it. Wrap them as a present and give to your partner before a romantic dinner. Tease each other manually while putting on the condom.[12

 

Similarly, the curriculum Focus on Kids prompts teachers to:

 

State that there are other ways to be close to a person and show you care without having sexual intercourse. Ask youth to brainstorm ways to be close. The list may include holding hands, body massage, bathing together, masturbation, sensuous feeding, fantasizing, watching erotic movies, reading erotic books and magazines.[13

 

Fact: Claims that parents support comprehensive sex ed or abstinence plus programs are false.

Organizations such as Advocates for Youth falsely claim that parents support comprehensive sex. These claims are based on the erroneous assertion that comprehensive sex ed programs contain the heavy emphasis on abstinence preferred by nearly all parents. In reality, these programs have very little abstinence content. In addition, the aggressive promotion of teen contraceptive use, permissive sexual values, and explicit sexual material contained in comprehensive sex ed programs are unacceptable to nearly all parents.

 

Fact: Most parents want their children to be taught a strong abstinence message as well as basic biological and health facts about contraception, but this does not mean that parents oppose authentic abstinence education. In general, abstinence curricula focus on abstinence and do not teach about contraception. However, in most schools where abstinence is taught, students will receive basic information about contraception in a separate class such as biology or health. Most parents support this approach; they strongly support abstinence education and do not believe abstinence and contraception should be mixed together in the same class.[14   Moreover, the fact that parents want students taught the basic facts about contraception does not mean they support the aggressive promotion of teen contraceptive use contained in comprehensive sex ed programs. Such programs encourage contraceptive use, teach teens how to convince sex partners to use contraception, teach youth how to obtain contraception, and have students practice condom use; the overwhelming majority of parents reject this approach.[15

 

Fact: Allowing state public health agencies to use federal abstinence funds for comprehensive sex ed or safe sex programs would effectively eliminate federal support for abstinence education.

Some policymakers have proposed that state public health agencies be given the authority to divert federal abstinence education funds to pay for safe sex/comprehensive sex ed programs. Since most state public health agencies have long been wedded to the safe sex approach to teen sex issues, this change would effectively eliminate most federal funding for abstinence education.

 
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March 24, 2008, 7:28 pm PDT

More than just Rector

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On a call yesterday organized by the Abstinence Clearinghouse, abstinence-only proponents were clearly rocked by the potentially ruinous news in the report. High profile abstinence-only advocate, Robert Rector, led the preemptive damage-control planning. He outlined several strategies the abstinence-only movement could use to rationalize the findings in the report saying, The other spin I think is very important is not [program effectiveness, but rather the values that are being taught, Rector said. Whether or not these programs work is a bogus issue, Rector continued.

Themes of Authentic Abstinence Curricula

While comprehensive sex-ed courses are focused on the physical risks of sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) and pregnancy, authentic abstinence programs take a more holistic approach to human sexuality: They are far more concerned with the social and psychological aspects of sex. Authentic abstinence curricula place a major emphasis on love, intimacy, and commitment. Young people are taught that human sexuality is not primarily physical, but moral, emotional, and psychological

in nature. These programs stress that, under proper conditions, human sexuality inherently involves long-term emotional bonding. They teach youths that personal happiness, love, and intimacy are most likely to occur within the commitment of a faithful marriage and that, in contrast, casual sex with multiple partners is likely to undermine the natural process of bonding and intimacy.

 

Throughout their curricula, authentic abstinence programs teach that abstinence is the best lifestyle for every teen. Students are taught that choosing to remain abstinent throughout adolescence is an important decision—and one that reaps great rewards in the present and the future.

 

Authentic abstinence courses instruct teens about the differences between lust, infatuation, and real love. The curricula teach that teen sexual relationships generally include large elements of self-delusion; despite hopeful expectations, nearly all such relationships are unstable and short-term. Most sexually active teens state that they regret their initial sexual experience and wish that they had waited. In authentic abstinence curricula, teen abstinence is presented not merely as a solution to the

immediate problems of pregnancy, STDs, and emotional harm, but as a pathway leading to respect for one’s self and others, to healthier relationships, and, eventually, to love and happiness in marriage.

 

Fear-based Curricula? It is often loosely charged that authentic abstinence curricula are “fear-based.” Examination of these curricula reveals there is no basis whatsoever for this claim. Both authentic abstinence and comprehensive sex-ed curricula present compelling information about the real threats of sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) and teen pregnancy to the health and well-being of

young people. The content of the two types of curricula are quite similar on these topics; however, comprehensive sex-ed curricula, on average, devote more than twice as much page content to the threat of STDs when compared with authentic abstinence curricula. Thus, it might be said that comprehensive sex-ed courses are more “fear-based” than are authentic abstinence courses. In reality, “fear-based” is not a term that accurately describes either type of curriculum.

 

Themes of Comprehensive Sex-Ed/Abstinence-Plus Curricula

In contrast to authentic abstinence programs, comprehensive sex-ed curricula largely depict human sexuality as a physical process. They focus on warning young people about the threats of teen pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases that can result from unprotected sexual activity. Their predominant goal is to reduce the level of “unprotected” sexual activity by encouraging young people to use contraception.

 

A very large portion of comprehensive sex-ed curricula is devoted to describing various types of contraception and discussing the pros and cons of each type. Students are strongly urged to use contraception (particularly condoms) for protection and are given skills to help increase condom use.For example, students are coached on how to convince a resistant sex partner to use condoms.

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While comprehensive sex-ed curricula do not overtly encourage teens to engage in sexual activity, they do not really discourage it. The focus is on reducing the risks of STDs and pregnancy among teens. Abstinence is presented as one technique for avoiding immediate risks, but the predominant emphasis is on using contraception, especially condoms. For the most part, teens are not urged to avoid sex per se, but to avoid sex without contraception. As long as the teen feels “comfortable”

with the activity, protected teen sex is not criticized, but is presented as monplace, healthy, and largely unproblematic. The decision to use contraception during sex is almost always presented in a very favorable light, while teen sexual activity itself is rarely questioned or criticized.The underlying message that pervades comprehensive sex-ed curricula is that it is okay for teens to engage in sex as long as “protection” is used. Indeed, it is difficult to find any passage in the curricula where voluntary teen sex with protection is either criticized or depicted as “not okay.”

With rare exceptions, sex at an early age and sex with many different partners are not treated as problems. Comprehensive sex-ed curricula ignore the vital linkages between sexuality, love, intimacy, and commitment. There is no suggestion that sex is best within marriage.

 

Most Comprehensive Sex-Ed Curricula Contain Explicit and

Controversial Sexual Material

Comprehensive sex-ed curricula encourage contraceptive use, teach teens how to obtain contraception, and instruct them on how to convince sex partners to use contraception. Most comprehensive sex-ed curricula have teachers demonstrate condom use by unrolling condoms on fingers, bananas, or dildos. Four out of the nine curricula reviewed have students practice unrolling condoms on bananas, dildos, or their fingers.Many comprehensive sex-ed curricula contain additional explicit and offensive material such as discussions of anal sex, homosexual role-playing, and language encouraging mutual masturbation and encouraging teens to watch erotic movies. Much material in “abstinence plus” curricula would be

alarming to parents. For example, Be Proud! Be Responsible! instructs teachers to:

Invite [students] to brainstorm ways to increase spontaneity and the likelihood

that they’ll use condoms.... Examples:... Store condoms under mattress....

Eroticize condom use with partner…. Use condoms as a method of foreplay.…

Think up a sexual fantasy using condoms…. Act sexy/sensual when putting

the condom on…. Hide them on your body and ask your partner to find it….

Wrap them as a present and give them to your partner before a romantic dinner....

Tease each other manually while putting on the condom.2

 

Similarly, Focus on Kids prompts teachers to:

State that there are other ways to be close to a person without having sexual

intercourse. Ask youth to brainstorm ways to be close. The list may

include…body massage, bathing together, masturbation, sensuous feeding,

fantasizing, watching erotic movies, reading erotic books and magazines….3

While the amount of such explicit and shocking material varies widely among the comprehensive sex-ed curricula reviewed, all of the curricula contained at least some material that would be disturbing to many parents.

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March 24, 2008, 11:20 pm PDT

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source?

 

Do you really want to get into a copy/paste war of articles?

It's your war. You do what you please.it is obvious that you do not read it anyway, because it was previously posted. Actually, I would rather read an article you posted instead of your biased undocumented opinions, so paste away.

 

You will get to choose to read the articles or not and they will be without the source, since the source has only the purpose of you trying to attack the source rather than debate the subject. Every time you focus on the source, you are ignoring the debate.

 
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March 30, 2008, 5:46 pm PDT

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How is it "questionable"?

And you are comparing incest to homosexuality? Wow...


same sex and same parent or same sex and shared DNA. mother and son. male and male. girl. woman and woman.

 

seems like a fair comparison.

 
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April 11, 2008, 9:10 am PDT

Good response

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Getrealtime you ask why I care so much, but why do you care so much that you reply to my message with an insult? I was just offering an opinion as anyone can do.

 

This was a couple who married, had a hetrosexual relationship and had children. Now the husband says I'm homosexual, not hetrosexual. Who wants to change now that they are in a relationship? It's the husband. I think it would be good advice for him to make sure he understands why he thinks he is homosexual, when he has been in a hetrosexual relationship. What happens if he enters into a homosexual relationship only to decide he was really hetrosexual. It's always good advice to learn why you made your mistake so you don't repeat it.

 

 

What you describe does happen, because it is not hardwired and it is not because of some gene determinant. If there were such a thing, the pedophile would be shouting the same defense. In the early 80's, homosexuals claimed that it was their sexual preference, meaning choice, and that is just what it is. The argument that if it were a choice, why would I choose to be ridiculed and go through this, would be just as valid for the pedophile. Prior to 1973, homosexuality had a psychological code for treatment, but the gay activists changed this, because they would rather sacrifice gays to promote an agenda.

 

Amazing this guy, was able to get sexually arousal to have intercourse with a woman and have children, and I did not hear him same he used Viagra. My female friend started dating in the same sex, after she was traumatized by an abuser male ex-boyfriend. Her girlfriend is so jealous of our friendship, which seems to very common. But, why be jealous over a straight guy-gay girl relationship, there could obviously never be an attraction, right? Wrong!!! One of the biggest fears that lesbians partners have, is that their partner will turn to a straight relationship out of attraction. SOUNDS LIKE CHOICE.

 

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