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August 1, 2005, 7:49 pm PDT

thank you

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Okay, now you've pissed me off. We say that the women in porn aren't real because, in real life, even those women don't look the way porn makes them look. It begins with surgery, of course, and extends on down to beauty lenses, special lighting, camera angles, airbrushing, stretching of images, make-up, etc. etc. etc. The fact that you believe those images are true representations of what those women actually look like only proves that you have been desensitized to real beauty. If you doubt me, I challenge you to slap on some make-up and view yourself naked in multiple mirrors at different angles from the wall and under different degrees of lighting. You'll find some angle and lighting circumstances under which you look much better than others. It's called cinematography and it's used in porn as well as in mainstream films. Your suggestion that if we're not happy with the parts we're given we should just have plastic surgery is ludicrous. Plastic surgery is risky and expensive not to mention the mark of a truly insecure and shallow person. Pornography is also acting. It's women pretending to enjoy things they're really not enjoying, pretending to feel things with and for men with and for whom they feel nothing. It's also young women, some barely legal if that, who haven't yet been pregnant, nursed children, or visibly aged. These things take a toll on a real woman's body and change it in ways that probably wouldn't be so badly looked upon were it not for the unrealistic ideals put in place by pornography. And for your information, very attractive women DO have a problem with pornography. Halle Barry would be one of those. I would be another. I hate that you've pushed me into bragging about my appearance, but I hate even more this misconception you have that women who are anti-porn are necessarily unattractive and simply jealous of more attractive women. I am an extremely attractive woman, emotionally AND physically. Men hit on me all the time: young men, old men, single men, married men. I turn them all away because I love my husband. You've really stepped over a line, here, sandman and frankly, I'm disappointed. For someone who claims to enjoy debate but not personal slams, this latest post of yours sure feels like a personal slam on all us here who don't agree with. 

I couldn't have said it better.

 

As for Hallie Barry....her husband (x husband....good for her) is a sex addict. She is absolutely a beautiful creature and no plastic surgery needed!

 
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August 1, 2005, 7:59 pm PDT

How Porn Has Affected Our Relationship

Growing up is a painful experience for many. And I am not going to tell you that my experiences were any more difficult than the next. At 17 I was on my own and I quickly learned how hard life was, if I didn’t know before.  I jumped into the world of porn very quickly. Hey, it’s a hard knock life out there and you got to make a buck, right? And I knew as a child that using my body got things for me. If I wanted to make it on my own, it was what I had to do. But I had standards and rules just like any one else. There were somethings I just wasn’t willing to do. I had heard the stories about sex in numbers and about other weird things that was produced. That wasn’t me.

 

 

My first experience showed many similarities that others had experienced. I showed up for the job and some really cool people took care of things for me. They asked me about the place I was staying and if I was comfortable. They supplied a pretty good spread. And that was about it. Told me we would do more work tomorrow. Told me to call them if there was anything they could do for me. There was only one real complaint I had. The dog in the alley kept me up at night barking so darn much. That night I slept pretty good.

 

 

The next day I came back to the job and I was thrown into the industry pretty darn fast. I remember showing up and being told the location in which I was to report to. So off I went in my little baby tee and cut offs to the location. This place wasn’t as nice. Pretty scary place really. I was greeted by a large guy who seemed a little ticked that it was my first day on the job. But I didn’t let him get to me or the smell of the place. I was directed to a bed and there I met my first partner Steve. He was a lot older than I had hoped for. And had pretty nasty breath and he was not so friendly or good in bed from what I remember. The whole experience was pretty much a blur to me because I was given some weed to smoke to loosen up with and I think there was some pretty nasty stuff in that weed. I got paid on the spot and after I sobered up a bit and took a shower (even after all these years, sex had a way of making me feel pretty dirty afterwards), I went out and bought myself a bunch of food. To me it was worth the crap I had to do, if I got to eat well and sleep in peace each night.

 

 

Now that was years ago. I don’t do porn any longer! Wish I never had, because it changed everything for me. But in the time that I did it, I learned a few things about this so called great world of porn. I met many young girls in the time I was there. Most were like me. Most were 18 or younger when they started. The youngest I came across was 13 but you wouldn’t know by looking at her that she was 13 years old. Sex has a way of aging people. Most don’t make it past that first experience. I guess those girls are wiser than me. Only around 20% come back for a second or third round. And of those girls, only a handful make it past that. Many were conned into that first time. Thought they were going to produce a movie or there to do a modeling job. Naïve but that’s what you get when your 16 and out on your own for the first time. I stuck around because of many reasons. For one I had to eat and I wasn’t going to go back home. No matter how bad it was here, at least I felt I was calling the shots. Secondly, I knew at a very young age that my body got things for me. I hadn’t been raised to know anything differently. I still wanted some of the same things other girls wanted. I wanted someone to love me and I wanted a family. I wanted nice things and I didn’t want someone yelling at me every day and hitting me. But what I found wasn’t much different than home. I wish I knew to walk away like those other girls. I did walk away sometimes but hunger and wanting a place to sleep at night had a way of making a person do things.

 

 

I have many regrets about it all but I hope that some good comes out of my experience. Maybe this is it. I know things about porn that most people don’t want to know. People fool themselves into believing it is okay. They don’t know what I have seen. They haven’t seen the drugs, the beatings, the STD’s. They haven’t seen the lies and deception. The rats and the very ugly horrible men that do things to you and know they can because you want so badly to eat tonight. They don’t know that I will never have children because of the STDs I caught. I was lucky because many of them catch their STDs in the first times they are screwed. I went a good six weeks before I caught my first case. Having my own family is not in the picture any longer. That is just one thing the porn took from me. I also wonder if I will ever feel okay with myself again. I doubt if I will.

 

 

I did the porn for a handful of years and then came the night that things got out of hand. That night I nearly lost my life. I was drugged with something to do this day I have no idea what it was laced with. I ended up in the street where someone found me and took me to a hospital, or so I have been told. I was black and blue and I to this day I  don’t know exactly what happened to me. At the hospital one of the aides that helped me told me what she had been through and told me there was a way out. I didn’t believe her at first. I wanted to but heck no one had ever told me that I could do something different with my life. We stayed in touch for a long time and I went to a shelter which helped me get my GED and a job. I now have dreams of going back to school again. Maybe be like the next Dr Phil.

 

 

That is my story. My story is just one of many. I would like to tell you that the girls I met in those years have a different story than mine. Most don’t except for those that were smart enough to leave after the first time. I guess they had more respect for themselves than I did.

 
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August 1, 2005, 8:07 pm PDT

just one story

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Growing up is a painful experience for many. And I am not going to tell you that my experiences were any more difficult than the next. At 17 I was on my own and I quickly learned how hard life was, if I didn’t know before.  I jumped into the world of porn very quickly. Hey, it’s a hard knock life out there and you got to make a buck, right? And I knew as a child that using my body got things for me. If I wanted to make it on my own, it was what I had to do. But I had standards and rules just like any one else. There were somethings I just wasn’t willing to do. I had heard the stories about sex in numbers and about other weird things that was produced. That wasn’t me.

 

 

My first experience showed many similarities that others had experienced. I showed up for the job and some really cool people took care of things for me. They asked me about the place I was staying and if I was comfortable. They supplied a pretty good spread. And that was about it. Told me we would do more work tomorrow. Told me to call them if there was anything they could do for me. There was only one real complaint I had. The dog in the alley kept me up at night barking so darn much. That night I slept pretty good.

 

 

The next day I came back to the job and I was thrown into the industry pretty darn fast. I remember showing up and being told the location in which I was to report to. So off I went in my little baby tee and cut offs to the location. This place wasn’t as nice. Pretty scary place really. I was greeted by a large guy who seemed a little ticked that it was my first day on the job. But I didn’t let him get to me or the smell of the place. I was directed to a bed and there I met my first partner Steve. He was a lot older than I had hoped for. And had pretty nasty breath and he was not so friendly or good in bed from what I remember. The whole experience was pretty much a blur to me because I was given some weed to smoke to loosen up with and I think there was some pretty nasty stuff in that weed. I got paid on the spot and after I sobered up a bit and took a shower (even after all these years, sex had a way of making me feel pretty dirty afterwards), I went out and bought myself a bunch of food. To me it was worth the crap I had to do, if I got to eat well and sleep in peace each night.

 

 

Now that was years ago. I don’t do porn any longer! Wish I never had, because it changed everything for me. But in the time that I did it, I learned a few things about this so called great world of porn. I met many young girls in the time I was there. Most were like me. Most were 18 or younger when they started. The youngest I came across was 13 but you wouldn’t know by looking at her that she was 13 years old. Sex has a way of aging people. Most don’t make it past that first experience. I guess those girls are wiser than me. Only around 20% come back for a second or third round. And of those girls, only a handful make it past that. Many were conned into that first time. Thought they were going to produce a movie or there to do a modeling job. Naïve but that’s what you get when your 16 and out on your own for the first time. I stuck around because of many reasons. For one I had to eat and I wasn’t going to go back home. No matter how bad it was here, at least I felt I was calling the shots. Secondly, I knew at a very young age that my body got things for me. I hadn’t been raised to know anything differently. I still wanted some of the same things other girls wanted. I wanted someone to love me and I wanted a family. I wanted nice things and I didn’t want someone yelling at me every day and hitting me. But what I found wasn’t much different than home. I wish I knew to walk away like those other girls. I did walk away sometimes but hunger and wanting a place to sleep at night had a way of making a person do things.

 

 

I have many regrets about it all but I hope that some good comes out of my experience. Maybe this is it. I know things about porn that most people don’t want to know. People fool themselves into believing it is okay. They don’t know what I have seen. They haven’t seen the drugs, the beatings, the STD’s. They haven’t seen the lies and deception. The rats and the very ugly horrible men that do things to you and know they can because you want so badly to eat tonight. They don’t know that I will never have children because of the STDs I caught. I was lucky because many of them catch their STDs in the first times they are screwed. I went a good six weeks before I caught my first case. Having my own family is not in the picture any longer. That is just one thing the porn took from me. I also wonder if I will ever feel okay with myself again. I doubt if I will.

 

 

I did the porn for a handful of years and then came the night that things got out of hand. That night I nearly lost my life. I was drugged with something to do this day I have no idea what it was laced with. I ended up in the street where someone found me and took me to a hospital, or so I have been told. I was black and blue and I to this day I  don’t know exactly what happened to me. At the hospital one of the aides that helped me told me what she had been through and told me there was a way out. I didn’t believe her at first. I wanted to but heck no one had ever told me that I could do something different with my life. We stayed in touch for a long time and I went to a shelter which helped me get my GED and a job. I now have dreams of going back to school again. Maybe be like the next Dr Phil.

 

 

That is my story. My story is just one of many. I would like to tell you that the girls I met in those years have a different story than mine. Most don’t except for those that were smart enough to leave after the first time. I guess they had more respect for themselves than I did.

this is just one story of many I have heard and come across in the last several years about the industry of porn. Now can someone tell me again how great the porn world is?
 
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August 1, 2005, 8:20 pm PDT

sandman

Wondering....do you own a gun?  Are you a supporter of murder? I bet you aren't. A person who owns a gun....doesn't necessarily support murder!

 

So why would someone who owns a computer be a supporter of the porn industry?  See that just doesn't make any sense now does it?

 
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August 1, 2005, 8:41 pm PDT

going to bed

without the porn.....i can get some tonight and some are left in the den with the computer! says a lot doesn't it?
 
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August 2, 2005, 6:49 am PDT

not sure how to explain this

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I have to agree with the ladies here who said that their husband's performance suffered after the husband viewed porn/masturbated.

 

It was the same in my marriage. At first I had no clue what was going on. He became unable to maintain an erection, having an orgasm almost immediately after beginning intercourse. Then he became increasingly demanding when it came to sex. And I don't mean suggesting we try different things like any normal couple does. I mean telling me what to wear, what to say, what to do, even demanding that I have an orgasm even when I couldn't, then becoming sullen and angry when I was unable to. He was never like this, he had no trouble maintaining an erection and we had really hot passionate sex every night before the 1-900 calls, the compulsive ( I mean 2-3 times a day) masturbation, and the viewing of internet porn behind my back.

 

He has been in counseling for 2 years now (we have been married 16 and a half) and we have recently started marriage counseling. The sex has improved since all of the "extra curricular" stuff stopped. But, it will never be like it was in the beginning before all of the garbage nearly destroyed our marriage. It is hard to want a man sexually that you feel you can't trust, one who once thought it was ok to treat his wife like some Barbie doll to dress up and play with. He had to have learned it from the porn because he wasn't like that before. It is going to take a long time to rebuild that trust and to gain back the self esteem I have lost from years of him blaming me for all of his problems. Only from his individual counseling with a man did he learn that the problems were his alone and not caused by anything I did or didn't do for or to him.

 

I know I can't speak for every couple, but I did belong to another online suport group several years ago and the women there said the same thing. When their husbands are into the porn and masturbating their sex life suffers greatly. It did not make thier husbands better lovers at all.

Okay this is going to be somewhat....graphic. My husband's semen has a certain level potentcy that it didn't have before. It feels different than it did before....warmer (hotter actually) and it really stimulates the vagina walls. I joke and say it almost has like a snap, crackle, pop to it. Reminds me of pop rocks almost. And I can guarentee when it is like this....if I have come already...I am going to come again even stronger. My husband says he notices the difference because of the reaction it has on me. To him.....it was worth cutting out the extra curricular activity to have sex as hot as it is now. AND I LOVE IT!

 
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August 2, 2005, 9:29 am PDT

The easiest way

I find that when someone does not want to get real....face what is obvious to others....they make excuses and blame others for their own inadequaticies.

 

For example when someone speaks against porn because of it's effects on marriage, society, etc....they say .."Well you must be average or less than average looking because the only women that hate porn are not all that." When someone shares a story of women who have been abused by porn....they discount the story. When their wives are not wanting to share a bed with them.....they are quick to somehow blame that it is her problem and not something that he may be lacking.

 

I get sick of women having to be everything in the "looking" department so that men can be turned on by us all the time. ANd the men who say this....who claim they have one heck of a package.....are posting not so much of a looker themselves. Now I don't have any problems with people who are not the so called "beautiful" people. I find that what makes a person is not about what they look like or what size their packages are. But instead I find those that are compassionate and geniune are the ones that are beautiful. This weekend my son was in a baseball tournament. The one gentleman (and he was a real gentleman) was older. He was heavy set and one could say not a looker at all....but he was so very kind and fun to be around. I found him 10 times  more appealing than one who goes around thinking that women are put on this Earth to have big boobs so that men can ogle at us and make us feel like we are an object.

 

I find it appauling that the message being sent her is that porn exist in our married lives because we are not adequate. I find it appauling that young women who may read this.....are feeling as if maybe they are not going to be able to keep their husband's around because she is not 5 foot 10 and 115 pounds with a size 38 C breast size. That she would walk away from this board....feeling like it is not in her capabilities of being as good as some porn star.

 

Now I will be the first to say....that their are some really beautiful people in this world. I envy  their abilities to look like they do and put little work into looking like they do. But does that make me less than them....no way. My son a few years ago was really bothered by his ears and how big they are. He wanted to have them pinned back. We were at the doctors office when he brought this up to the doctor and I love this woman for her response. SHe said "I know one thing....God gave you those years just how they are.....and I don't believe God has ever made someone who wasn't beautiful."  I could have hugged her. He has never looked down on his ear size since. And I support if he ever wanted to go and have this surgery....but I also want him to know that he will always be so very special without that. TO me he is 100% the best looking young man because he is a very very very wonderful young man with compassion. I told him about some of the things that were said here about how women were suppose to look. His response was what I could have predicted. He said "The person who said this.....is really an ass mom. One of my best friends mom is over weight and I love spending time with her. She is far more beautiful than the girls who treat people like crap."  This boy will be happily married some day to a women who will treat him very well.

 
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August 2, 2005, 2:38 pm PDT

why should he you ask

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take care of matters without the use of porn. But why should he? Not only would it take longer to achieve the intended goal, it wouldn't be nearly as enjoyable of an experience. Hope this answers your question.

haven't we given you enough reason why he should? Because the industry is terrible to society, to women. Because porn is morally wrong. Because sex is sacred. Haven't you been listening?

 

And writing...."because it wouldn't be as enjoyable of an experience."  Well for some men....rape is more enjoyable than masterbating....but that doesn't make it right. For some.....smoking dope is enjoyable....but that doesn't mean people should do it. For some ....getting drunk every night is enjoyable....but that doesn't mean people should do it. So I get from this....as long as it good fun for y ou.....it doesn't matter who is hurt as long as you are having good fun.

 
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August 2, 2005, 2:42 pm PDT

my husband

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Is there anyone else here whose husband has a real problem with porn? Using it as an addiction like another would drugs, alcohol, gambling, smoking?
is a recovering porn addict. He has been porn free for going on 2 years. Things have gotten so wonderful for not on me....but for him and for us!
 
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August 2, 2005, 2:51 pm PDT

my advice

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It scares me that there are so many women out there as weak as me. I am dealing with a man who I want to marry and will who looks at porn.  It DESTROYS me and it shouldn't.  In counseling, I learned that the porn has absolutely nothing to do with me and that HE has a problem. I feel ugly, useless, unloved, not enough...But, that's MY problem.  Inner strength should be there to tell me that I need to help him or deal with it. I fall apart, making it about me.  He's not going to stop. I have to strengthen myself enough to understand addiction and what he is getting out of what he looks at.  It works for him, but not because of me. I do not feel even the slightest bit better knowing what I know. I am too busy feeling and that can be trouble for men and women, alike. I would like to hear from people who don't say, "Stay away from him!". I want to hear from people who tell me how they handled it, how they complete themselves before looking to be okay through a man or woman. I want to help the love of my life but I have to help myself first. If it doesn't destroy me, first.

My husband and I have been married for 20 years. He is a recovering porn addict. I think the counseling you have been through is very good however.....I don't believe that because you have learned that it isn't about you....that means you need to accept it in your marriage. I also know it wasn't about me but that didn't change that  I didn't want it in our lives. Every time it happens....you will be reminded that it hurts. It will find its way into how you live your life....how you parent and how you are able to be a wife to him. As much as I know it is not about me....I also know that I wouldn't want to spend the rest of my life with dealing with someone else's addiction. Co-dependency is as difficult to live with as other dependencies and it will make you less of a mother of your children.

 

Let me ask you this....do you think if a person drinks too much ....is that about you? You know that it isn't. But do you want to marry someone who drinks too much (knowing it wasn't about you) but to deal with that the rest of your life. YOu can accept that he doesn't want to give this up. YOu can accept this isn't about you. BUT I believe you are asking for trouble if you think you can still live happily for the rest of your life with this person.....if he isn't able to understand his part in it.

 

Sorry.....but I don't advice you to marry this person. Twenty years has taught me a thing or two....and unless he is willing to take respsonsibility....you must learn to love yourself before you can give him what he needs. Is it loving yourself to give up so much.....but he is not willing to let go of his addictions?  Wish you well....I do!

 

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