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June 22, 2006, 9:49 am PDT

Throw it out Show 6-21-06

I am 46, male and experiencing the same problem, currently.  I am off of work, due to a Dual depression, and Generalized anxiety disorder, which I have had all my life. I am using a Cpap machine for Sleep Apnea, and going to a psychologist and psychiatrist. I am on Lexapro for deprssion, and it does not seem to be working. I still have not gotten motivated to clean my condo.  

  

I am a big music collector and most of the cluuter is records, but I have another seperate room for that. I have records all over the front room, clothes that have not been taken out and hung up, and I do not open mail, or go thru the bills. I found a very helpful website called: www.squalorsurvivors.com. 

  

 The one thing they do mention is that if you live in squalor or know someone who does, DO NOT pick on the person, or tell them to get moving, which will make them retreat further. I did find out that I am not producing Cortisol, and I do have to have an MRI today, focusing on my Pituitary gland. I also was diagnosied with Chronic fatugue, so an Endocrinologist would not be a bad thing, for someone like this, to look into the matter, further, and have some blood work done, to check your chemical levels. My Dr. said the worst case scenario would be I may have ot take a pill for a year or 2 to get my Adrenaline levels uo. He said JFK  had the same problem, and it is treatable. Also, he  wants me to have an ultrasound on my kidneys.  

  

The show was right on, and would like to see follow ups on the topic. It is more common than people realize. Many friends and family, do not understand why ANYONE would not clean their place up. It is more complex than that. For me, I hope to get better, but have not always been a real messy guy or real neat guy, for that matter. Mine seesm to be lack of motivation, depression, lack of energy. Alos, www.flylady.net is useful too, as it is a free site, and you can register and receive a daily email. Flylady, teaches you how to get organized, and each day of the month a different area of the home is focused upon, to be cleaned, therefore, after a month, you have cleaned the whole house, at least once. Squalor survivors teaches you, for those who do not know where to begin, to start cleaning something simple, like the top of the tv, refrigerator, so that you will have a feeling of accomplishment, but just START, somewhere.  

  

I have other problems, that can be attributed to this problem, such as financial debt, and a chapter & is not an option as I file din 2000.  

  

Any one that has been there, knows what I am talking about. Any suggestions if you have been there, would be helpful to me. I must also mention that I thought I was going thru Andropause, and had 3 Dr's shrug it off, as I am reading on the interent, Again! I took it upon myself to find an Endocrinologist and he DID find something wrong with my Hormones.  

  

Hopefully this will be a start to a cleaner house, and some peace of mind. Thanks Dr. Phil for addressing the issue, hope to see more on the topic, and maybe Male Menopause. 

 
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June 22, 2006, 9:56 am PDT

06/21 "Throw It Out!"

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When I saw the sad man and the lovely gal yesterday, they were like the friends I have only dreamed to meet.  They spoke my heart.  My house was so bad my friends came and helped my husband.  When my husband cleans the house I go to bed and cannot help him, as it creates such confusion to me.  I don't know where to start.  I have everything I have ever owned, except clothes.  Well, a few years back I did unload, but now have the same mess.  I hate it, but can't seem to change it, as I never really was aware of it.  I too save jars, boxes, burned out light bulbs, bags of peanuts from packing.  I keep old  clothes from loved ones, and I don't even have kids. I regret ever cleaning out when I do.  I also go through the trash to make sure nothing has been thrown out.  It was so wonderful (misery loves company) to hear those people and relate to their emotions.  I tell you I have really tried and cannot overcome this, except for brief periods when I am "trying to be good".  I am more like the sweet gal that was on there. (not sweet, but her story is my story)  I have been this way all of my life as I have everything from my childhood and can remember losing almost anything I have lost. I have many medical problems and thought perhaps I just didn't feel like cleaning it, it was so overwhelming.  Now I am wondering if something truly is wrong in my brain.  When Dr. Phil said that, it was the only thing that sounded like it made any sense to me at all in years about this situation.  How my husband can love me is beyond me. 
I am the same way, and just did a post,  2 minutes ago. I am off of work, have sleep apnea, depression, anxiety disorders. Check with an Endocrinologsit and heva bllod work done. My test came back as I am low on on Andro something or other, and my Dr said I uam not producing Adrenaline, and thet is a reson I am fatigued to do anything around the house, and he ordered me to have an MRI of the brain today, to chekc my Master Gland, the pituitary. I may have to take a pill for a year or 2. He said JFK had it, and I looke don the Internet and believe it is called Addisons disease. Hang in there, but get checked out. Alot of mine is depression, financial problems too, though.
 
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June 22, 2006, 9:58 am PDT

06/21 "Throw It Out!"

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I recently left a 14-year marriage.  One of the major factors was my husband's inability to listen or be concerned about anyone but himself where our home was concerned.  A few years ago, while between jobs, he decided to provide family support by buying items at auctions and selling them on e-bay for profit.  He did okay for an "in-between" job, however, it didn't stay "in-between".   

  

Even after becoming employed, he continued to buy, and buy and buy and buy.  For 3 - 4 years, we and our four children, lifed in a warehouse.  Boxes and boxes stacked everywhere.  Shelving set up around every wall.  Couldn't see the couch, much less sit on it.  Was fortunate if I could push things back so that one person could sit at the table at a time and eat.  (No more family meals - no room!!)  Garage was so full things fell when you walked through.  At points in time, there was no more than a 12-15" pathway from the front door to the refrigerator to the bathroom to the multiple computers, to the bed.   

  

The stories from the families destroyed by having their homes converted to makeshift storage facilities was so real to me.  After having enjoyed for several years being able to open my home for dinner parties, enjoy weekly family get-togethers, kids having friends over, I fell into a terrible depression.  Trying to not be a nag, I attempted to express my frustration calmly and maturely.  It didn't work.   

  

My now ex-husband lives in an apartment very close to our home so we can both be near our children.  His apartment looks like a smaller version of what our house looked like for those last few years.  He's again "in-between" jobs and is using e-bay for income.   

  

As for my home.  The highlight of the past year for me has been my ability to once again get my car in the garage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

  

I feel so sorry for all the wives of e-bayers out there and can't tell you how I wish he could have seen the light and am worried he never will. 

  

  

I just posted something myself. I DO have an Ebay addiction, as far as Buying is concerned, and have boxes all over the place. SO, I do undertsand and I am working on the problem. I will shop at Ebay before going to the store, even. Thanks for mentiong this BIG problem that causes clutter.
 

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