Message Boards

Messages By: dissedvet

User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
worried
July 6, 2006, 11:00 am PDT

Opt out of Fatherhood/ VAWA act also excludes men

Quote From: rissie

 

Obviously most of you who are posting messages have never gone through family courts. The only part you got right is that it is about money. Be aware that all of us as taxpayers are subsidising the child support agencies. The federal government matches dollar for dollar all child support dollars collected by the state agencies and even provides bonuses and incentives for these agencies. With that kind of financial incentive it's now wonder the "deadbeat" has emerged. Do the research, women are the big winners in family court......  

Perhaps we should consider shared parenting as our Australian counterparts have to try and level the playing field. 

 
User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
surprised
July 6, 2006, 11:10 am PDT

Baby Wars

Seems like we need a pre- intercourse contract..... but woud it hold up in court? I mean marriage is a contract, but that contract gets broken so often it shouldn't be called a contract....
 
User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
confused
July 6, 2006, 11:29 am PDT

07/06 Baby Wars

Maybe Matt can gather all his support orders and other legal obligations eminating from this encounter and place them, wrapped in a blanket, in a cradle or bassinet in front of a hospital, police station or any other designated  newborn drop off "safe zone" and see if they will take care of it for him.....
 
User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
confused
July 6, 2006, 11:51 am PDT

Baby wars

Joining the military is a choice ( well maybe not, women are excluded from the selective service; maybe that's why there are more women in college these days. They can apply for Federal Financial Aid without fear of reprisal. The government pamphlets that are disseminated on the college campuses throughout America regarding Selective Service blantantly state in bold letters ITS WHAT A MAN HAS GOT TO DO....I guess you are not a man if you don't. If not a man does that make you a woman) but each day I see the tributes to our fallen military heroes it seem like all the dead servicemen you see are just that, men. Maybe we are just sperm donors. War going sperm donors who have taken an oath to defend a Constitution that in cases such as provides about as much protection for them as thinly armored HUMVEES provide against an IED...
 
User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
confused
July 6, 2006, 11:55 am PDT

Baby wars

Quote From: tiffertots

Now what if ...a women got pregnant by mistake, felt she was incapable of being a good mother and wanted to terminate the pregnancy.  The father on the other hand wanted the child.  Would it be fair for the court to not only force the mother to carry and deliver the child, but force her to pay support for the child after it was born....I smell a double standard!!

Obviously you haven't heard the "my body, my choice" argument. That's a real double standard..because what choice does the "baby" have? 

 
User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
confused
July 6, 2006, 12:01 pm PDT

Baby Wars

Quote From: commerce

i thank men make to much fuss when the girl they slept with has a baby if the guy would of put a comdom on then she wouldnt of had the baby and the fact a guy is trying to go to court to say it isnt his baby is just stupid i think if a guy wants to have sex and doesnt put a condom is stuipd
Maybe the woman can refuse to have sex with him unless he wears a condom. Isn't that one of the things Pllned Parenthood teaches them?
 
User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
blank
July 6, 2006, 12:05 pm PDT

07/06 Baby Wars

Quote From: errosmom

I think that Matt should relinquish his parental rights to baby Elizabeth. If he doesn't want to be a father then he should allow Lauren and Elizabeth all of the legal rights to move on with their lives. The child support issue belongs in the courts. Let Matt spend his daughter's childhood and a lot more money over the years than he will ever pay in child support on lawyers and court fees to stand up for what he believes in. More power to him. Nobody has to agree with him. He is the one who loses by not taking the opportunity to be Elizabeth's daddy.   

Lauren should just walk away with her daughter and not look back. She should let the courts handle her child support issues. Even better, if she doesn't really need the money, she shouldn't  take it or take it and put it into trust for Elizabeth so that when the time comes that this horrible situation has to be explained to her, it can at least be said that her father provided her with something (a bank account) because he had nothing else to give. If, due to financial circumstances, Lauren does need the money, she should document every penny to protect herself and again to explain it to Elizabeth someday.  I think it is very important that Lauren protect herself and her baby because the last thing that she wants is for Matt to have a change of heart ten years from now and want unsupervised visitation with Elizabeth, who won't even know him. By then, Lauren may have moved on with a man who loves and cherishs her and her daughter.   

Yes, the ideal is for children to grow up with a loving mother and father. The key word is LOVING.  Elizabeth can have a wonderful childhood with her mother who loves her. Let Matt go and do his own thing. I hope that every woman that he gets involved with watches a tape of this show before she shares herself with him. Where are Matt's parents in all of this?  If I was his mother, I would pay the $500 a month myself before I would ever lose contact with my own grandchild. The focus here seems to be about money. Money is nothing, a relationship with a precious child is everything.   

Just how biased do you think Laurens explanation to Elizabeth about who her father is and the situation surrounding why he isn't involved in her life will be?
 
User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
chillin'
July 6, 2006, 12:20 pm PDT

Baby Wars

Quote From: tiffertots

well that's silly...of course I've heard "my body, my choice" but why should that mean the mother's "choice" is automatically the father's "choice"...my point is that the courts don't force motherhood on women...why should they on men?
Emphasis on the what choice does the baby have?
 
User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
blank
July 6, 2006, 12:32 pm PDT

Inadeqate Judicial System

Quote From: amethystic

I totally agree that men should be able to participate in a choice over something such as abortion, adoption, etc. And to my knowledge something like that is in place somewhere, but the problems lie in the same area as everything else. First of all, we have a very inadequate judicial system. Case in point: a cat fight over whether or not a living, breathing human being deserves to be loved and taken care of. This is not a baby in utero, a fetus or any other such abortion jargon. Its a child.  

Secondly,  If responsibility were taken in the first place whether you wanted a baby or not, and whether your partner wanted a baby or not, unwanted babies would not be a reality. And really, when the baby is unwanted, the abortion may be physical, the drop off may be horrible, but there is surely at least an internal death that child will have to live with, if nothing else. It all comes down to character character character. If you know who you're sleeping with, and you both want the same thing, and you both act in a responsible manner to attain that thing, then you will not have an issue.  

Hey, maybe we can just start forcing genital restricting devices on all these men and women who obviously need to take some extra time to think.. mature.. THINK?? I mean.. if we can't just abstain, and we can't wear a condom, and we can't take a pill every morning, and we can't even get along on issues like abortion... ; yet we insisnt on sleeping with one another for some dumb reason.. maybe we should find a way to take genitals out of the genetic code until some level of intelligence and maturity gets woven into the general population?  

I agree that the judicial system is inadequate. But you fail to expand on why it is inadequate. It is a money machine that perpetuates itself by creating new arms (agencies) it uses to invade and engulf the lives of all those involved. One always hears that the the system is inadequate because it is understaffed and inadequately funded, but in fact the opposite is true. The judicial system sprouts new arms (agencies, laws) each day, based on the high profile media it creates, in order to perpetuate and grow itself by creating the very victims it claims it was created to assist. 

  

Again I reiterate my idea of pre- conception contracts, either that or refuse to have sex unless he wears a condom. Isn't that one of the things Planned Parenthood teaches? 

 
User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
blank
July 6, 2006, 12:44 pm PDT

07/06 Baby Wars

Quote From: astellhorn

I think it was hard to watch this man sit on stage and just act like he had no part in the conception of this beautiful little baby girl!!!  If she didn't think she could have kids, and she does get pregnant, any responsible, loving, caring, man would step up and take care of his child.  She on the other hand, of course, isn't going to give the kid up, or abort it.  It is devastating to hear that you are not able to have children, and then to get pregnant... she was probably overwhelmed with joy!  If this man doesn't want a child, but wants to have sex, he needs to get the operation, and then this is not a problem.  When he is ready to grow up and stop being so selfish, if he ever is, he can have it reversed!!  As far as the lawsuit goes, I feel it is very upsetting to think that any man out there that doesn't want a child that is born, can just go to court and bastardize the child with whom he created.  And he has it easy... $500 a month doesn't come close to what is actually costs for her to raise his daughter.   All I have to say to him is GROW UP!!!
But it's ok for the womanto be able to abort the baby, drop it off at a "safe zone" after she has delivered it, dump it in a garbage bin or toilet, or put it up for adoption. How then, do we classify surrogate mothers, you know the ones that are paid for the use of their uterus? Are you still going to try and convice me that this isn't about money?
 

First Page | Previous Page | 1 | 2 | Next | Last
Return to Message Board