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October 7, 2006, 1:29 pm PDT

12 YR OLD DOESN'T NEED THIS

I know that fitting in with your peers are important but not as important as your self respect which the mother is not giving a good example of. What are people thinking!!!! At the age of 12 a childs body is still forming, hormones are still running a muck .... give it a few years and let the child work it out on their own. The person that this child grows up to be may be different in values than what the mother wants them to be.
 
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October 8, 2006, 1:42 pm PDT

Your still too young to know

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        I dont think everyone is thinking about the big picture.  From one point of view all people can think about a child getting plastic surgery is "How terrible; Our children should be accepted for what's on the inside, not by their external beauty."  But someone who says that is not logically placing himself in the childs shoes.  The reality of it is that our society is CONSUMED with beauty, with plastic surgery, with the way one looks.  It's a tough, hard, life, I know, but it is what it is and it's not going to be different if one child is taught that society cares about her character more than looks.  It's human instinct to judge the first thing we see-the appearance.  That's not about to change.

         That being said, I'm 16 years old and I had a nose job last summer.  I do not consider myself immature- I'm in line to be a valedictorian and received PSAT scores above 77 (out of 80) on each section, so please don't think I'm ignorant or stupid.  I got rhinoplasty because I had thought very carefully about it, and realized that my self-esteem had been so greatly affected by the hump on my nose that it simply wasn't worth the $6,000 I'd save to go through the rest of my life in such emotional distress.  After I got my surgery, I no longer felt like I was being judged by my face, so it was much easier for me to talk to other people, so look at myself, to be a normal teenager.

        You're probably wondering what my point is.  I'm trying to say that it is not FAIR or RIGHT for a person to judge whether someone, a child or not, should get plastic surgery, because you don't and WILL NEVER know what that person has gone through.  That would be like a person with a high metabolism telling a fat person about to get liposuction to just go on a diet because diets are what works for thin people.  But that thin person simply doesnt know what that fat person has gone through, so its not up to her to tell the fat person to or not to get liposuction.  As far as Im concerned, no one should ever judge a person if he got liposuction because he simply couldn't get rid of the weight; people whove been thin forever dont understand what its like to be fat; people who dont have humps on their noses dont understand what its like to have that abnormality; tall people never understand what its like to be shorter than everyone elseetc.etc. 

        So to all of you who think teenage plastic surgery is wrong, think again.  I hope you will recognize that every person is unique and affected by his own physical faults in his own way, and it is SELFISH, PIGGISH, CRUEL and CRUDE to assume that you know what a person has gone through in his life.

 

For one thing, a 12 year old doesn't know what is best for them at all.  Your 16..... you STILL don't know what is right for you. Teenagers all believe they know everything and what is right for them, saying they have the bigger picture and they are WRONG.
With you being 16 you have a better Idea of what you want, doesn't mean it is always good for ya or it solves anything, but your 3 years older than that of a 12 year old, who is just now entering puberty. Plastic surgery should be the farthest from this lil girls mind. She should be thinking about playing in band, or a sport, or anything else rather than looking like a barbi doll in order to fit in and feel good about yourself. To me, and I am sure to others, it is MORBID. I will say it again, being a teenager and going thru hormones doesn't mean you deserve a plastic make over to feel better.

 
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October 11, 2006, 9:13 am PDT

Here is the point.

 The CHILD is only 12 years old. Her body is not done growing yet.

We have enough image problems in this society. We don't NEED mothers taking their CHILDREN to see Dr.'s to CHANGE their IMAGE.

Go to any play ground at the school and ask how many girls are currently on diets. Why are they on diets if they don't need to be on one??? Because society POUNDS it in their face from billboards, music videos, tv, magizines, and anywhere else it can that unless your a skinny minni society will look down at ya.

So these girls have a problem, they are 12 years old, their bodies are not yet done growing, and society is telling them they ain't good enough. So what do they end up doing????

They go on diets, and not healthy ones either, they binge and purge. They then get sick, all because they wanted to fit in to what society wants them to look like.

BUT NOW...... we have to worry about plastic surgery.....WHEN WILL THIS END!!!! No wonder our kids are so messed up!!! No wonder they go about and give off threats of killing people in schools and such, or commit suicide. ALL because of what OTHERS expect from them, and now NOT ONLY does this lil girl have to try and convince herself and OTHERS she is good just the way she is, but NOW she has to convince her MOM she is ok.

Her mom is saying, your not good enough, that is all she is saying. If she REALLY wanted to help her out, she would explain to her that she isn't done growing and that there are other things to worry about, like grades.

Now, I do believe that if there is a serious reason like burn victoms and too much breast, then sure. But if it is only to make one fell better about themselves when they don't medicaly need it.... then the problem ISN'T on the outside, the problem is self esteem.... and you don't get good self esteem by pleasing others with your looks. That is FALSE self esteem, and very shallow.

LET THE GIRL GROW UP.
LET THE MOTHER GROW UP.
AND LET THEM DO SO WITH OUT THINKING PLASTIC IS THE NEW FASION.
 
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October 13, 2006, 3:10 pm PDT

no kidding LOL

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Did anyone else find it funny that Crystal's sister complained that her augmented breasts did not look "natural", and that she wanted further surgery to make them look more natural??? Hello...they don't look natural b/c they're not!
She said: one was bigger than the other...... hello!!! it is very common to have one boob bigger than the other. No.... she want's perfect boobs.... WELL JOIN THE CROWD!!!! Gee... wish my boobs were perfect in every way shape or form, but guess what..... I had two babies, I am growing older, and I dont think it is going to be too cool when I get old and flabby to have  perky fake breast while everything else is  saying a BIG HELLO  to gravity!!! LOL. Wait till they have kids, they will want another surgery and another one and another one.
I think the dad needs to slap em all silly and say grow up!
 
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October 13, 2006, 3:17 pm PDT

you have to be kidding me!!!!

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I can understand where many of the replier's views come from, but plastic surgery is much more common than many of you may think.  Do you know anyone who's had braces for cosmetic reasons? **DING DING DING** Plastic surgery alert!  We don't bash orthodontists for giving plastic surgery to teens or preteens on their teeth... how is lypo or breast augmentation so different?  Or does it specifically matter what tissue is being altered: bone or fat cells?  I'm not saying I agree with or disagree with plastic surgery in teens.  I just think that some of you should realize the inconsistencies in your arguments.

Do you people hate plastic surgery because it costs so much?  Or is it because it changes the way you look?  Think about how many women wear makeup to make themselves look better; is wrong to show society that you have thicker eyelashes when they're caked with mascara?  Or do you think that my example is baseless because makeup is not a permanent change like plastic surgery?

One more thing: I have researched plastic surgery over a number of years.  To those of you who believe 12 is too young to have nasal surgery, doctors disagree.  12-13 years of age in girls is acceptable for physical reasons, because girls' faces are mature by that age (although it may vary a bit from person to person).  The only reason a doctor won't give surgery to a ready-to-pay customer of that age is if he isn't mentally mature enough to handle the drastic change.

But then again, I'm sure that kid asking for surgery has had braces.  So why not let him get another plastic procedure, parents?

For one thing, people dont have braces to just look better, they have them to pull teeth together so there isn't any impactation, or to help pull the jaw forward so that  they wont have to have major surgery in the jaw latter on in life  due to PAIN.
For another thing, we just watched the show and it is just like what dr. phil and that other dr. said when you have surgery on a 12 year old, your doing it on a moving target.
I think you need to get your facts straight, don't believe everything your reading on the internet, I hope that wasn't your source of information when you "researched" plastic surgery, and stop coming off like you know better than everyone else, ESP. DR. PHIL. who clearly stated, she was too young and this was a last resort.
 
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January 21, 2007, 6:35 am PST

maybe....

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I wonder if maybe sometimes when people seem to be snobs or have a huge ego, it's a cover for their for their fear of not being good enough. I think that the proof is in what a person quitely accomplishes. Self-confidence can be a gentle, subtle thing.
I think maybe your on the right track. We all have heard that expression of people lifting themselves up by putting others down,  I think that applies here.
 
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January 21, 2007, 6:45 am PST

I was bullied

 all thru out school I was bullied, they made fun of me, pushed me around, pretended to be my friend and not really be one, one guy punched my face and I am a girl!!! that was 8th grade when that one happened. People are not getting it and wonder why we have so many school shootings..... get a clue! Kids dont shoot other kids because of niceness. NO.... they do it cause they are mad and angry at what others put them thru. They have enough problems the way it is without some other kid at school punking on them day in and day out. My son gets punked on at school, and I do my very best to find out what is going on at school with other kids, and to let him know that what ever they say about him that is not who he is, cause it is true, once they start calling you names over and over again, it sticks. words DO hurt.... I dont believe that old saying at all "sticks and stones..." it is true, words do hurt, and they hurt for a long time. I hope they throw the book at these kids beating up that girl!!!!! Suspension isn't enough. I saw that video on the news and the girls were smiling like it was cool. Their parents must be really ashamed, or I would hope they would be. And get this..... the girl they beat up, wasn't someone older than them, it was someone younger than them!!!!! oooohhh yeah that is cool........beating up on someone smaller and younger than you..... really cool. **rolls eyes***
 
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January 21, 2007, 6:48 am PST

Thank the LORD

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I think bulling at school needs to be stopped one way are another. My Grandson was going to school here in Cameron, Texas, & almost ever day he was bullied by some children. He is a very sensitive, caring, & loving boy & little over weight for his age. Everyday he would go home crying because kids made fun of him, called him names & hit on him. They would say vulgar words to him. by all means he is not an Gael either, but he has had to go to ER 's because of some of things that has happen. He would always get punished at school for something the other kids was doing. My daughter went to the school numerous of times to talk to the principal & they always said that they would watch & see. Well, the next day would be the same old thing. She would go again. He was failing in almost all classes here. Nothing ever was done. So this year, my daughter changed schools for him & his younger sister. It is a much smaller school district & now there is no more bulling & he is passing with A's & B's. That is the difference in a child that is being bullied. It must stop. To all parents out thee, pay attention to what your children tell you. Investigate it at school like my daughter did. She saw things with her own eyes & that didn't even help. So really pay attention to your children. That may make all the difference. We love all our children no matter who they are. Thank you for reading this. I hope things get better in school. Dr. Phil, YOU PUT A STOP TO THIS IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.

 

dladler This is for my loving Grandson

Sounds like you raised a smart girl!!! good for her!!! and good for your grandbaby who is now doing better in school!!! I hope everything goes perfect for him now on!!!
 

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