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September 14, 2006, 5:45 am PDT

09/13 Man Stealers

Quote From: rick458

What bothers me most about today's show is the not so underlying message that men and women can't be friends. If it was the husband and his cousin hanging out all the time and talking all the time, well...we wouldn't be seeing these people on Dr. Phil. Is it fair to assume there is an affair just because they are the opposite sex. Honestly, how embarrassing and sad is that. A man and a woman are together so they must be cheating and having sex. They're not having sex? They're talking to each other like guys and guys and gals and gals? Why that's not right. Men and women should not be allowed to fraterinize because it could no doubt lead to friendship or worse.

Shame.

Like  'When "Harry  met  Sally" 

Anyway- I though they were all immature and playing dangerous games as well-  And the KIDS are more mature-I hope  these people 'grow up' or the kids will do the same thing when THEY grow up-

 

As far as men and women being friends-  I admit I have a hard time with it- But and there need to be boundries and maturity and honesty and self control-

 

You made a couple of good points- 

 
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September 14, 2006, 5:55 am PDT

09/13 Man Stealers

Quote From: strongn

  The show hit home for me because 3 months ago I found out my husband was cheating on me with his business partner in the Philippine. This was going on for over a year. My husband was saying things to me which made me wonder so I started poking around. I found text messages from him to her and her to him referring to each other as husband and wife. When I confronted my husband he said he wanted us to work. We discuss what was wrong in our marriage. I didn't have proof but I knew the affair never ended by the look on his face when he came off the computer with her. I told him he had to leave and figure things out but before he leaves just be present in the marriage. I just want him to know what he was leaving and getting ready to throw away. the two weeks were great for us and the kids. He went to the Phillippine. He saved every IM message between them I read them. I found 12 DVD of them having sex and he taking her on trips. She is wearing my old wedding band. I found pictures of them in a engagement ceremony. Two weeks later he is calling me and tell me he made a mistake. If I would have him back he wants to make us work. Yes I still love him. This may sound crazy I still trust him to have my heart again and forgive him but I want to make sure I don't punish him for life . How could someone do what he did and show such disrespect. He says he was able to do it because he totally disconnected from me emotionally. In his mind we were over. I will face him in another week. He is leaving his business and want have anything to do with the Philippine.
He has broken your heart so many times and he broke all of his promises to you-Why in the world are you still with him??   He is walking all over you and you are allowing it-    Why?  
 
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September 14, 2006, 5:57 am PDT

09/13 Man Stealers

Quote From: corieander

 What a mess. I think Dr. Phil gave them the appropriate advice. That marriage is over. Even if they want to make it work. They need to be living apart. My husband I have a rule, we never go alone somewhere with the opposite sex. I trust him and visa versa but it's better to not lead yourself into temptation. They are lying to themselves and everyone around them.

Very well put!   The rule that you and your husband is a good one!

 
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September 14, 2006, 6:13 am PDT

09/13 Man Stealers

Quote From: Pleasance

What a ridiculous group "still wet behind the ears" and both couples have children.  What a mess!

 

My concern is for the children.

 

Both these women are being used by Dennis.

 

And neither guy is a "peach".....even the male cousin has cheated. 

 

The women have been with other men, too.  Good grief !

 

No self respect at all....not on anyone's part.    To say nothing of the immaturity involved.

 

I certainly hope  they all have been tested for HIV, STD's and Aids.  Good grief !

 

What kind of "backward" life are they all leading?  

 

 

 

 

Get your heads screwed on  straight  & right......do some self reflection...clean up your act........ Dennis' wife needs to dump him...and get on with her life.....and  her children's well being. 

 

 Take Dr. Phil up on his offer for YOU  to have the individualized counsel.......and oh, by the way......that Lawyer that Dr. Phil offered.....take him up on that one, that's a "biggie !"    With that trucking business......you have marital rights,  for you and your children.

 

Obviously, the winters are too long where ever they all live.....geesh all that snow and mud !!!!!!

 

Here's a hint.....grow up.....

 

...Take up a hobby.......skating,  skiing,  snowshoeing, snowboarding, winter hiking,  snowmobiling,

Ice hockey, ice fishing,  read a BOOK,  get involved in an after school program with your kids,  get involved in your community to affect change, to improve the local library, help a neighbor cut, split and chop, haul wood.....go work in a soup kitchen....Get my drift ?.......do something constructive.

 

Winter will be over before you know it !

 

When that happens.......plant a garden, mow the lawn, plant some vegetables, help with a community garden.......feed the hungry.......help the poor.....take your kids for a walk.....wash the pick-up truck.....set up the kids swimming pool.........Get my drift ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well said!
 
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September 14, 2006, 6:30 am PDT

09/13 Man Stealers

Quote From: ladynorma1

About a year ago my husband who is 46 met a young lady at the ATM she asked to borrow a pen and he loaned her a pen and asked her for her phone number.  She is 25 years old.  She gave him her work phone number.  He called her over 14 times throughout a months time and took her on two lunch dates.  I went to Orlando on business when I returned I noticed that he had been looking to buy a home and was prepared to leave me and his only son 15 year old.  He coldly told me the next morning that he had a new friend that was smart and prettier than me.  I was numb.  I went to my office and immediately at 8:00 am contact4ed a private investigator.  Within 4 hours I had all the information to include there last conversation on hand.  I proceeded to go to her house she lived in public housing courts she was on probation for hot check writing and DUI.  He had mentioned to me that she was having a hard time.  We I met her family they were quick to tell me that my husband had been calling and she was not home at the time.  Approximately 2 hours later she and a carload of her family came to my home.  She stated she was not interested in my husband and reduced him to a crumb in front of me, him and our son.  He was very embarrassed and I was SO hurt.. I am finding it so difficult to forgive him this is a man I would lay down my life for I have gone through 4 heart surgery's with him and prayed to god for grace on his healthhow dare he hurt me in such a profound manner. 
He terribly hurt you!!  What are you going to do now?  You should be hurt- 
 
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September 14, 2006, 8:02 am PDT

Abuse

Hello All

 

I have been reading these posts and have learned alot-Right now-I am still scared to share but I can say this-  I have been raped and  three times and sexually assaulted a couple of times as well-

Back in the early 90's- I was fired fired for blowing the whistle on  one of the  managers there- (He had been sexually harrassing me for 4 months) My lawyer-a WOMAN-screwed me over BIG TIME!! 

 

Also- After I was raped- I tried to get help-but the therapist I was seeing at the times of each rape- women-did NOT believe me and did not help me-

 

My 'friends' did not believe me either-  I was told  NOT to go to the police-Also -I was told the rapes and the assaults were MY fault!

 

My family said I deserved what happened to me-  (I am trying to move out of the house-Altho I pay rent- and other bills-I am still being abused emotionally mentally and verbally by them-  My older sister abandoned me-Long and painful story- She came here to see us-and she wanted NOTHING to do with me- Too painful to share more(But I realized that it is HER problem- I have no support and it gets very hard and I get sick-  I have no friends as well because they do not understand or care about me-  Too painful to share more-)

 

And about DV -  I called the rape crisis hotline a  couple of times-  Twice they laughed at me and hung up on me-  And I called way later on for help and they said after ten minutes of talking to them that my time was up and all they allow is ten minutes per call-  I was shocked hurt and stunned and I called them and told them they should be ashamed of themselves for that- 

 

I had to say that because some on this board say call DV and crisis hotlines-what have you-and I had to share what happened to me when I  tried to get help-

 

There is alot more obviously but this was hard enough t share-

 

I also had very bad online experiences  with  at least 10 guys and they were all liars cheaters and players and all took advantage of me and wanted nothing to do with me even tho I did NOTHING to them-   I learned from reading this boards and others that I deseved better and that it is the guys ( THEM) and NOT me- 

 

Also - I tried to warn other women about these guys and no one believed me and they completely  treated me very badly and none of these women supported me and took the guys side-totally- but I know they are going to have to find out for themselves the hard way-  Women who support abusers and  evil and  turned on ME are going to have to learn the hard way-They will have to get the effects back-

 

I am afraid to write more here-  I noticed that the women on this board are very understanding and supportive and I have a feeling that I would not be judged or blamed for what I have been thru and wasted so much time trying to warn others-  This board is really good!

 

I hope I made sense- 

 

Also-  I want to share very briefly- this is painful for me-but with the last ex-who raped me as well- I told him I was raped and he really did not care!  He thinks rape is sex-  ( I wanted to wait till I was married-but he would not hear of it)  But any way- he would say things like- women who were raped never let anything happen- He would be SO ANGRY-  Also he would get mad at me that  I 'allowed'the other guys (the other 2 who did rape  me and a third who tried to rape me) 'to stick it in'!

He also got rid of me because he was SO UNHAPPY and UNSATISFIED with me-  I tried to keep it going-He said that no one will ever want me- (and so far he is right-I am trying to hard not to believe him-it is a struggle)-  I do know to 'let him go'; also I know that the sole reason we are not together is because of HIM not me-  (By the way-he has a sister and a niece and he would NEVER allow a guy to treat then the way he thinks he can treat me- Sick and ironic-huh?

 

I do not come from a loving home and yes I am getting better at loving and respecting myself among other things-But as you all know it is very hard to do with out positive and loving support-  (family and' friends')  I was part of an organization who I supported for years and they deserted me when I needed them-  I have not ever deserted them or any one else-Most were not ever there for me-  I would turn on myself because I did not know any better-( I did this from the time I was 7 till now-I will be 42 in Nov-)  I learned to put the 'blame 'and the responsibilty on THEM-and not myself-  I have suffered temendously-

 

Therapy?  In other ways- Counselors? No becaue of VERY BAD experieneces with the women I went to see-  Sorry but too painful to share right now-

 

I must stop-  I hope my post was ok to write-  And I will continue reading and learning- 

 

I truly wished I had posted on here a very long time ago- But here I am- 

 

I thank you all for reading this- And this was NOT easy to write-

 

I find it very hard to believe that I will meet a MAN who will treat me with the love and respect and appreciation I KNOW I DESERVE and that some day I will have a 'family'(  not blood) who will love me and be grateful that I am alive and here on this sometimes down right scary earth!

 

I am looking forward to the day when I will be living in my own place ( I have tried but it is very hard) and I know there is a light at the end of this long winded tunnel-  But I can't  do it alone and I am looking for the right type of positive support-

 

Thank you-  See y'all later-

 

PS- I know I am not crazy!  (www.youarenotcrazy.com)

 
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September 14, 2006, 8:38 am PDT

09/11 Biggest Love Mistakes

Quote From: bijou66

Dear Jaime,

I'm sorry for the loss of your Brother and the pain it has caused you.  I have a story that might change your mind about Abiodon.

I met a man that swept me off my feet - he made me feel special, wanted, and loved.  He did tell me about his being an ex-con from the beginning - I was of the mind set people can change and I should not judge him.  I became pregnant and a short while later he went back to prison.  I was left alone - I had his phone calls and visits behind glass.  I accepted his collect phone calls and I sent him "care packages".  I moved to another state and our baby was born.  I sent him pictures at every stage of our daughter's development and we were making plans for our future - when he was released from prison.  I had great hopes and a lot of promises from him.

A few months before our daughter turned one he was released from prison.  I was 12 hours away in another state.  A month later I was able to go see him.  The first time our daughter saw him she knew he was her Daddy - I talked about him and showed her pictures of him all of the time.  A few hours later he told me some news that devastated me - he was with another woman.

I asked him about all the things he wrote to me about - love, life together, our daughter, our families????  He didn't get the last letter I wrote him before he was released, so he thought I had forgot about him.  The letter came back to me as undeliverable because he had been released.

I went back home with my daughter with a broken heart.  A couple of months later he contacted me and said he was sorry and he wanted to come see us.  I had this notion that if two people said they loved each other and they had a child they should be together.  So I said yes.

He arrived and not soon after I discovered he had been corresponding with other women while he was in prison.  He said that it was me he loved and he just conned and used those other women - he said it was a way to get money for the commissary and other "things" and something 95% of convicts do.  It's a way of control and survival.

He ended up leaving and on his way out of town he managed to get himself in a lot of trouble - creating a two state manhunt which he ended up back in prison.

I moved to another state to live with my sister and start my life over and I was successful - I met someone and was getting serious with this new man and then the letters from my daughter's father became romantic again and he professed his love for me all over again and that he wanted to be a family.  He said he didn't want to lose me because he couldn't face up to his responsibilities before.  I believed him - I broke up with my boyfriend, quit my job, cashed out my bank account, and drove through 4 1/2 states to be with him.  When I arrived I didn't stay with him I stayed with his family and two weeks later I found out he had another woman staying with him.  He told me he couldn't decide who he wanted to be with so he asked both of us and who ever got there first won - she lived 5 hours away...

Two months later I found out I was pregnant by him.  He told me to get an abortion and that he didn't want anything to do with the new baby.  I had never seen this side of him when it came to children.  (I had a baby boy and he has grown up to be everything I dreamed of.)

I tried to distance myself from him - he worked close to my home and would stop by to see our daughter and every few visits he would start telling me how much he loved me and how he wished we could start over.  He'd get what ever he wanted from me and be gone.  This went on for a couple of years - I was always trying to get away from him and then one day he would suck me back in with all the right words, hugs, and kisses.  Each time I was getting stronger and could resist him and turn him away, but he was so smooth and sincere - it was hard, I didn't want to be alone.

Then he was arrested by the FBI and he went to Federal prison for 12 years.  I moved across the country to start over with both of our children.  He called and sent cards and letters and when we were out visiting family I would take to kids to see him.  The kids relished his letters that were full of love, religion, and hopes for the future.  He wanted to start a home for disadvantaged boys - like he had been.  He wanted to make it his life's work to save just one boy's life.  He lead a bible study group in prison.  He asked me for forgiveness for all the lies and cons he played on me.  It was my opportunity to ask him why he did all those things to me.  He said it was a way to feel in control in a place where he had none.  It gave him power.  He also did those things to keep me close enough so he could see his daughter and later our son.  I told him I would never have kept him from the kids and he didn't need to manipulate me in that way.  Then he asked me why I put up with it for so long.  I told him that I was young and naive believed people were honest for the most part, and that I loved him and somehow I thought I could rescue him and give him all the love he never had only if he would just let me.  He said that would have worked for most people, but he was raised by the system since he was a young boy.  He was a con and you can't trust a con - they work people to get what they want and if they tell you they aren't they are lying.

A year later after that conversation he was released but monitored with an anklet and living with his father. I sent the kids out to spend a week with him.  They were in heaven - they were "feeling" love from him.  Then a while later when he got his anklet off the kids spent another week with him, but this time things were different - he wasn't coming home right after work, he was giving excuses why he couldn't do things with the kids.  The kids had a good time with their family and their dad, but he wasn't as doting on them as before.

A year passed and the letters and phone calls dwindled down to almost nothing - the kids were devastated.  To this day 4 years later they don't hear from him and they really don't want to.  Last I heard he was addicted to crystal meth and out of touch.  He is dead to us.

He did do one thing for me...after living on the other side of the country from him for a couple of years I was hired to be head cook at a prison.  I worked right along side inmates with few guards around.  There were a lot of women that were hired the same time as I was.  I was one of the few that did my job with out getting sucked into the cons of the inmates I worked with and fed on a daily basis.  I never let on that I had inside knowledge of prison life and I looked the part.  When the inmates would talk about their conquests (my co-workers) in their prison talk I knew their language and what it meant.  One girl was bringing in cigarettes for an inmate and I quietly confronted her and she told me to mind my own business - she was married but an inmate found just the right words to suck her in and use her.  I would be on the serving line and see my co-workers hang on every word or gesture from one or more inmates - I slowly watched the situations progress.  After a while I knew who was sneaking off and having sex and/or giving out contraband.  I saw many co-workers lives ruined, because they didn't understand that they were being used and lied to.  Most were investigated and brought up on charges with the FBI.  I felt like a fly on the wall - I knew the game - watched it unfold in varying degrees among my co-workers and the inmates.  These women believed that these convicts really loved them.  It was a job for me and like a job for most people you just don't get caught up in the personal lives of co-workers.  I also understood that where I worked was where the inmates worked and lived and that put a different dynamic in the work environment.  When you have contact with the same people everyday it would be real easy to get caught up in the con-game, but I had learned from a master of the con-game and I knew how to protect myself.  I was glad I wasn't a supervisor - I would have fired a lot of women to save their freedom and lives.  Everyone who was hired was sent through the same training, but they didn't talk about the con-games.  You could say I was pre-trained for this job.

Convicts aren't like most people - especially the ones who grew up in the system.  They are predators.  Abiodon may feel remorse for killing your brother, but he is still a product of the system.  When I hear of women that get caught up with a convict in prison or out - I want to cry.  It is all about control for them - you may not be giving him monetary things, but the attention you give him especially after he killed your brother must be the sweetest drug to him.

On the show you said it yourself - he is intelligent and articulate - what makes you think you are special and that you aren't another game for him to play and prey upon.  It's even more interesting to him because he murdered your brother.  Do you realize what kind of status that gives him among the other inmates?  He would never tell you these things are true it's not in the nature of a con man.

There is a small percentage of convicts that truly change their lives.  The ones that do usually came from good homes to begin with.  No matter how slow you take it with Abiodon he will have great difficulty functioning on the outside of prison and it will make your life harder.

Jaime - I am not judging you, but please if you love your children, your mother, your family, the memory of your brother, and mostly yourself - walk away from Abiodon - no letters, no calls, no visits.  Do not invite trouble into your life and especially your children's lives.  They are pure and innocent now - keep them that way - you are the only one who can.

You are a beautiful woman.  This is your chance to take care of yourself - to protect yourself like your brother couldn't protect himself.  The human psyche is amazing and there are times when a person thinks they are doing the right thing for themselves and they aren't.  You would not be heartless by turning your back on the man who killed your brother and stole from you and others of the life you would have had with your brother.  Forgive and forget him - you owe him nothing and he is not the one that can give you closure - only you can close the wounds Abiodon created.  We along with God's help are the only ones that can heal ourselves.

Jaime let my story, my ex's own revelations on the con-life, my experience with my ex and working on the inside of a prison help you.

 I pray you hear these words and they resonate in your heart.

Your Friend,

T

T- I wanted to let you know that I read your long and heartflet posting -and  I am glad I did-

Jaimie-  Listen to this woman- 

Jamie-JUST HOW DESPERATE ARE YOU???  I mean-this guy killed your brother!  Some one you were very close to!

 

I am single and alone-  But I am NOT desperate enough to get involved with some one who is in prison-I thought of it-but I KNOW better and this woman-T- shared her experience to help  you-She helped me-

 

Even Dr Phil can't understand WHY you want to be with this guy!  So..

 

To T -I know this was not easy to write or share-but I am glad you did.

 

I wish you the best-

 

And Jaimie-  Seriously-  You can do better-

 

I have met more than my share of smoothe talkers and manipulators-  They will do this to some one else and those women will learn the hard way-

 

Forgive-yeah I can understand-but what you are doing-I don't get it- Desperation on your part -I guess

 
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September 14, 2006, 8:46 am PDT

09/11 Biggest Love Mistakes

Quote From: wxwmn02

I think Christa would be jealous of anything her husband interacts with.  It sounds to me like a vicious cycle.  Her husband doesn't want anything to do with her because of how she acts towards him...I think if she would stop being so jealous, he might actually come around and want to be with her.

As for the other story...ARE YOU F'ING KIDDIN' ME?  I don't understand how this lady can "love" the man that killed her brother.  Yes, it's a good thing to forgive, but to "love" him is just outrageous!!!!!!  I think Dr. Phil did a good job explaining that they still don't know anything about each other and to take it slow...with that said...I kinda wish Dr. Phil would have said she is making a huge mistake and that this guy isn't worth her time.  I am hoping she will be able to figure this out on her own...however, I am not holding my breath.

Your first point about Christa and Matt-  I  do not think it is Jelousy-There is something else AND I  do not think MAtt treats her right any way-  I think this relationship has to end and they BOTH need to gow up-  And Nadia-Innocent-Not sure-But she is the CHILD-not the parent-And Dr Phil called them all on that-

 

As for your second point-I LOVED the ARE YOU F*ING KIDDING ME! part-RIGHT ON!  I think Dr Phil DID say -or try to say to her-that this guy is not worth her time-So what else can he say-she ain't listening to him-  Who knows -maybe they will have to learn the hard way and wished the HAD listened to Dr Phil-

We'll see-

 

But you wrote a really good post-

 
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September 14, 2006, 8:48 am PDT

09/11 Biggest Love Mistakes

Quote From: kaykwilts

I can't believe how utterly self-centered that first couple were.  They had a shaky marriage hanging on a thread yet they adopted a Russian girl.  They should have not brought an innocent girl into thieri troubled marriage.

AMEN-  I thought the same thing-That couple is self centered and selfish and childish and had NO business  adopting  Nadia and dragging her into the mess-
 
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September 14, 2006, 9:08 am PDT

Infidelity

Quote From: notgonnatakeit

I nned help to cope with a situation.  I found out my fiance' was talking with a (girl) friend on e-mail and messenger that was very sexual inuindos on both sides.  He tells me it didn't mean anything other than just talk.  It wasn't aimed at me or intended to hurt me, and that I wasn't even a thought in the matter when he was doing it.  I don't believe he has had physical sex with this woman.   But to me it is the same if you're talking like you have or would like to.  He says he loves me and it doesn/t mean a thing to him when he talks to her like that.

I told him if it didn't mean anything he shouldn't talk like that because it makes the other person think that they have hope for a relationship with him.  And it is a lack of respect for me. 

He says I'm too conservative on my sexual beliefs and he was raised in LA, California and that is the way people are there. (Even though he moved here when he was 15)

If my way of thinkning is wrong, please let me know.  But, if I'm not wrong then I need help in how to cope with this and to make him understand why this is wrong when he is in a relationship with someone.

He also says because I read these things without his approval, I deserve what I get.

I love him and we have lived together for seven years and are suppose to marry February 2008.  So I do have time to work on this or decide if it is not going to work.

PLEASE OFFER ME SOME GUIDENCE!!!

I see you got some good advice here-   You have been together SEVEN years?  Has he always been this way?  If he has-why are you putting up with this?   Also -he would NOT like it if it was the other way around-  And yes- you have every right to feel hurt- Your way of thinking is NOT wrong!  If you try to tell him that this hurts you-you are in a committed relationship-and he obviously doesn't care-because of the remark he made to you about your sexual beliefs-then there is your red flag answer-

Do not put up with this behavior-Some one who LOVES you will not do this to you- and he made fun of you?

 

 

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