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February 24, 2008, 8:27 am PST

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OH MY GOSH...I cannot beleve you also "left your body"  Ha, I thought I was crazy!! I still do it all the time. The first time I did it was in grade 7, in homeroom...and I was really scared becasue iI didn't know why I felt like that. It was like I was looking down at myself. I still do it frequently. And when I'm like that, I actually cannot feel my body, which has lead to it's share of panick attacks, becasue I didn't know what was going on. And when when people touch me, and I'm in that state, I can bearly feel it. My neighbour is actually trying to learn HOW to step out of her body! She's into some kind of alternive therapy, and uses it as a way to avoid things (like angry people) when she doesn't need to be engaged with that kind of stuff! Again....nice to know I'm not the only one!

 

I don't really have a fave horse. I also first rode a quarter horse. I like Australian Brumbys, their wild..literally. But I think their beautiful. Both my neighbours have horses and I like to go to the barns and "hang" with the horses. Actually when my grandmother died 2 years ago, we were coming home from the hospital at 1 am and I went to the barn and spent an hour out in the field with the horses, it was really nice, despite the events. I am big into reptiles as well. I have a snake, and a gecko. I'm from Nova Scotia, and reptiles are becomming quite big here.

 

Have you ever heard voices...not in like an "evil" way or anything, but like people saying your name, when there's no one there, or seeing things move, that don't actually move? I was working the other day, and I started having a conversation with a customer, who told me he didn't say a word, ha! Later he told me I should see a doctor!

 

 

You're not alone, at all!  Like Sunny, I didn't know until I was an adult that other people didn't have "others" within them.  Once I started understanding that we were like everyone else, I actually felt sorry for the "normal" people because it must be lonely to be like that.  I hear my "others" talking and conversing amoung themselves and I hear them call my name.  I, like Sunny, have heard them saying things that had me going "OMG"...lol.  Needless to say, nothing like Sunny and her boss though.  I think I know what you mean about seeing things move.  I will catch "glimpses" of things that aren't there really.  Usually it's bugs or rats or stuff like that.  I never talked to a therapist about it but I think it is one of the others that was abused by my brother.  He would hold her down and puts stuff like that one her and terrify her.  I think it's actually her having flashbacks.  I think one of the most impotant things to keep in mind with MPD/DID is that is part of the reason you survived or are still surviving and two....never loose your sense of humor or your others will take advantage of you and drive you nuts! LOL
 
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February 24, 2008, 9:33 am PST

MPD/DID

Does anyone on here know if Dr Phil has ever done a show on this subject? I'm just kinda curious on his take on it.  I wonder if he would be a supporter of "putting all the pieces back together". 
 
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February 25, 2008, 7:30 pm PST

02/13 Behind Closed Doors

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Thanks for mentioning that to me!! Sometimes...I'm really careless like that, and leave my name! I've taken it out...thanks again!

And thank you also for the reassurance. I've been really upset today, more than usual. I was trying to get a hold of my mom and I had to call my dad's cell phone because I know she was visiting him, and I heard his voice for the first time in a month. I think that's why I'm, upset. Uggh...for some reason, beyond what I can figure out, I miss him and I just want a dad again. I keep remembering all the good things he did for me, and the times I had fun with him and it breaks my heart to know that I have done this to him. 

Your dad is the one that molested you?  You are so strong but it's o.k. to get upset.  And it is o.k. to want what was lost but don't ever play the blame game with yourself.  We find it so easy to blame ourselves for things when the blame actually belongs elsewhere.  Please try not to let it get you too down because as I'm sure you know, that is a dangerous spiral to play around with.  Know that we are all here for you and I'm sure I speak for several here, we will help you in anyway we can.  I wish you know just what an inspiration you have been to me! I'm almost 35 and just can't imagine having the strength you do at the age you are.  You are so amazing!  But even in being strong, it's still alright to cry and mourn.  It's very natural and very normal. Take care, sweetie.
 
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February 25, 2008, 7:36 pm PST

I LOVE IT!!!

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Since there are so many of us that did not, because of statutes and so forth, get justice for what happened to us, is it against the law for someone to start a site and post pics of the chesters that did not get prosecuted? Or is there already a website for that? I think I would probably get some satisfaction from posting his pic on the internet for everyone to see. Most of these chesters were family members so we are all bound to be able to come up with one pic to post. Any thoughts?
I think that is a wonderful idea!!!  I wonder if they (the abusers) wouldn't be able to sue us for liable or defimation of character or something like that.  Hmmmm....any attorneys out there that could help us out with the legalities on that?
 
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February 25, 2008, 7:53 pm PST

I so agree with you!

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 Your anger is understandable. Many families are driven into bankruptcy trying to get help for their eating disordered children. Eating disorders may be a disease of a generally affluent society (you don't see them in 3rd world countries, its' true), but not of individual affluence. Back when EDs were more rare, they were more commonly seen as a disease of the rich, but that hasn't been true for a very long time now. They know no financial boundaries in this country anymore. Unfortunately, there's still a perception among the non-educated that anorexia and bulimia are 'poor little rich girl' diseases. Those of us who are there or who have been there know better. I know plenty of bulimics who couldn't afford to buy food, so they stole it. It's part of the disease. It has nothing to do with how much money you have.

And just a little thought-bomb for those who think this way: When I was anorexic and someone told me that I should feel bad because there are people starving in other countries who have no choice, you know what I did? I felt bad. And feeling bad feeds the disease and makes it worse. I'd feel so guilty that I had this disease that I would get worse by eating less or purging more, because when anorexics and bulimics feel bad, they punish themselves. So telling a person with an ED that there are 'real' starving people in the world never did anyone any good, except to make the accuser feel better and superior. The last thing an anorexic needs to hear about is how good they have it, because in their experience, they're in hell already, and hearing that only makes it worse.

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Being negative toward someone with an eating disorder only makes things worse for that person.  I suffered from anorexia and bulimia from my pre-teens thru my early twenties.  Needless to say, I had not gotten as bad as this young lady.  I think my reality check of how bad it had gotten was when I joined the military and went to basic training my bulimia had gotten bad enough that I could no longer control it, it controled me.  I couldn't hold down food and began to vomit blood due.  I had a bleeding ulcer from the years of doing this to myself.  I grew up in a poor family.  Eventhough we didn't have alot of money, we did always have food.  But the other thing we had were secrets.  We appeared to be the perfect family but the whole time I was being mentally, physically, and sexually abused by many in the family.  Eating disorders were about control for me, about being able to control something in my life.  I have recovered and am actually considered slightly overweight by doctors but I have to be honest, I still have occassional relapses.  When stress gets high, the anorexia and bulimia are one of the first things I think about to feel better.  It is something I figure I will have to fight the rest of my life.  My heart goes out to anyone that suffers from an eating disorder.
 
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February 26, 2008, 6:24 am PST

OMG!

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It was my father.  I told my mother when I was 9.  She said to "Let daddy touch you because that's how he shows he loves you."  He had a urine fetish, and gave me a vaginal infection by performing oral sex on me when I 11, and he held me down while she put the medicine in with a vaginal plunger.  My pediatrician must have been curious, but asked no questions.  When I told her he had perfomred oral sex on me (18 months later) I got in very big trouble!!  The entire family (2 adults, 5 kids) hated my guts, no one supported me.  He would hit me or throw cold water on me when I didn't let him molest me.  Of course I had a drug problem and became a slut.  Once when he knew I was on drugs he asked me to pee in a bottle so he could drink it and see if he got high.  I said no.  I thought it was only a matter of time before he raped me, so I married young -- to an abusive drunk.  Go figure.  My husband forbid me to get therapy, continue my eduation, take karate lessons or hold a job.  Finally, after 23 years, I left him.  I'm totally broke but it was worth it.   These days I do not speak to my mother, who pretends to be even crazier than she is.  But I'm still trying to get my dad to like me.  By the way, he tried to go after my daughter when she was just 3.  He would give her candy and tell her not to tell me, but she always did.  I don't know if he went after anyone else, but I know he is in his late 70's, and got very religious.  I'd like to think I am okay now, but 5 years after the divorce I'm still pushing love away and underemployed.
Even with the things I endured, your story was shocking to me.  I can't imagine how you got thru it! You did make me think/remember something.  I had recurring yeast infections as a child.  Ironically, they started when I was 3 which was when the molestation began. When I was 8 my mother took me to the doctor because I was actually bleeding. It was a severe yeast infection and he said I had started my period.  I had just turned 8!  Why did the doctor not realize what was going on??????  This was in the 70's and 80's, do y'all think maybe that's why?  Or do you think doctors are more educated and intune now than they were then?
 
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February 26, 2008, 1:16 pm PST

Oh wow!

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1.   Somedays I don't even realize it then it suddenly occurs to me I still have on yesterdays clothes.  48 hrs in the same clothes uuughh.

2.  Do it, feel guilty, do it again.  Why?  Used to be a bigger issue.  Always thought it was just me.  Maybe having been brought to orgasm in 4th grade caused some of it.

3.Yep! Yep!

4.  2 steps and I'm out of there. 

5.  Could nap all day.

6.  HATE compliments.  Used to get told I was so mature for my age, so pretty, so smart. Blah Blah Blah.

7.  I am simple dressed no makeup, don't want to stick out.

8. Sometimes noise cuts right through me.  Those days I just tell my kids ENOUGH!  They usually quiet down.  Except the babies.  Almost feel outside myself when the chaos is too much.

9.  I'm alone almost all day till bus drops kids off after school.  I live on a farm and sometimes don't get to town for 2 weeks.  Even when I do I have no friends to visit.  Don't know anyone not related to the school.

Thanks for bringing these thoughts out in the open.

These message boards have been a God send.  It has helped me open up with my younger sister.  She was also abused though we didn't speak of it til today.  Our stories were so much the same, though I was also abused by a "business owner" in our hometown.  We both told our mother who brushed it off.  We had a older brother who was abusing us.  He shot himself at 17. (Unfortunately  my last words to him were that he was worthless and nobody would miss him if he just went off and killed himself.)  We both now wonder who was abusing him for him to start on us.  I was about 7 in the beginning and she was 6 when he started on her.  He was only a 1 1/2 years older than me.

Thank you Sunny your posts are always helpful.

Rachel
It's it amazing how much we are all alike eventhough we have felt alone for so long?  That about your brother is so sad. I am like you, can't help but wonder if he was abused. My first molester was a cousin that was 10 at the time. I will always believe that he too was abused and that's how he knew to do that stuff. He's the only one that I don't have ill feelings toward, or atleast not now that I am an adult and have a better understanding of what took place during my childhood.  The statement of you feeling outside yourself makes me wonder if you have been diagnosised with MPD/DID.  You are right, this post has brought so much peace to me, more than all the counseling I ever recieved!  Thank you to everyone here who has shared their story!!!  You are all amazing!!!!
 
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February 26, 2008, 2:26 pm PST

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I to had to deal with my husband in trying to molest my daughter.My daughter was eighteen when she told me that her stepfather tried to take her cloths off of her and molest her.I was never so hurt for her and myself.To her he was her father.I blame myself most of the time to believe he would do this.As soon as she told me this i left my home with my children with only the cloths we had on.It was mid winter we couldnt even get our coats .Everyone tells me i was wrong for leaving because my daughter was 18 .I loved him and my child .a choice no mother should ever have to make.I chose my child. Maybe i was wrong for my choice ?NO i wasnt .We stayed where we could until we got a place. I look in my daughters eyes and hope she doesnt blame me for his sick mind.If our hearts wasnt already torn apart in march when we left they where in june when he was killed in automobile accident.We couldnt go to viewing or funeral because of his family.They have tormented me and my children from time we left.Will our heads our hearts ever be right again? I cry all the time wishing i would have seen what was happening.Its been  almost a year and i cant forget. I have nightmares,i cry out for someone to help me get over this. I want my Daughter to forgive me for not knowing that he was so sick minded.I love my children and i would die for them. In a since i did. Help me understand that it wasnt my fault for everything happening to us.

Your daughter may not have gotten to the point of saying this but I will say it....THANK YOU!  You did what so many of us wish our mothers would have done!  I totally agree with the things that Sunny said.  I will add, you daughter is probably going thru a mourning process.  She and you both will have to go thru this process in order to move on.  And it is fine to mourn what was lost and what might have been just like you would with a death.  I will say, try not to beat yourself up.  Pediphiles are good at what they do in the fact of the hide it well and they use threats.  And as a victim, I can say that alot of the times it is easier to blame the people that help you and love you because it is safer.  The molesters institue so much fear in the victims that we are often times afraid to be mad at them.  Give things time and with time it will get easier.  Therapy is a good idea for both of you.  Any time you need to talk, we are all here for you!!!
 
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February 27, 2008, 6:16 pm PST

I so agree and appreciate your passion!

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In New York, we have a wonderful State Senator, Malcom Smith, who has been a force in trying to change the statute of limitations.  I had the pleasure of speaking with him at a victims' meeting, but out of four political officials invited, Sen. Smith was the only one who showed.  He arranged a bus for us to take up to Albany, and slated closed hearings with the members of the State Government so they could hear our concerns.  It was an eye-opening experience to learn of SIGNIFICANT opposition to changing the Statute in New York, on the part of lawmakers.  Why?  Their answers were basically that if they were extended, too many allegations would come forth for reasons other than truth...and as people grow older, and have more knowledge of what sex actually entails, the descriptions would not be impressive...and the lack of evidence would still be an issue.  They claim it to be protection of innocent people from being arrrested with false claims.

I would really like to see a show on Dr. Phil that deals with the system, not to negate the powerful statements being made by the victims, but if we cannot move to the next level, we will just wallow in  stagnant waters.

Where are shows bringing forward the lawmakers, the D.A.s the SVU detectives?  How about the CPS case workers?  I'd like for the American public to hear stats, not from me...from the agencies being paid by our tax dollars as to the reality of how we really handle this epidemic.  It isn't fair that I speak of any other location, as my entire life has been spent in New York...and as far as our dealings with this crime, I'm sadly disappointed.

I watched the show SAVING GRACE, when it aired in April '07.  Again, there was an uproar on the forum, yet it seems that it where it begins and ends.  We cannot allow this.  Children who DO come foreward must have their day in Court.  Defense attorneys must do their job, and that is to raise reasonable doubt in facor of their client.  In no way do I suggest that we violate the Constitution, but since CHILDREN are handled differently in every other walk of life, why not in Court?  From MY personal experience with my two, I felt that the system expected by far too much from them, given their ages...10 and 12...and the sensitivity of the crime...my God!  I hear non-victims say they cannot talk about this openly, and they are adults.  Victims...children, and to silence the testimony of a 12 year old because he stoppped at the time when she was 7...putting her outside our 5 year statute?  The judges would not even allow her testimony in  to support her brother's accounts, not for prosecution, but to serve as another complaining witness.  No one in our family was even questioned as to the number of times he was here...if it was noticed that he was alone with one of the children during a family party...and yes, as we thought about it, often he'd play video games with my son when there was company...policemen included, as our family does have a fair share of them.  Not one was even asked to speak to the D.A. to establish opportunity.  All they wanted were medical records...since it was oral, they showed regular childhood illnesses, good nutrtion, and appropriate growth rate.  The therapist was interviewed, but he was "only" an opinion.  Some investigation.....THIS is what belongs on T.V.  We say they know how to decieve, and they are good at it...they belong in your home, they are family...and had I had a "nanny cam" in our family room, I'd have had him on tape.  Never having had a "nanny"  why would I need one?  I did, however have many other family membes who could have put him alone with my son, and in cross referencing the time frames,  I feel we had a shot were we to have been afforded a jury trial.  Why are these lawmakers and prosecuters allowed to hide behind the scenes?  They are all we have to prosecute, and if only half (us) of the equaion is cooperating, justice cannot be served.  Supposedly, we lacked sufficient evidence.  To this day, I disagree.

Yet, from listening to others, and facing off against the opposition to extending the statute, first hand, I honestly feel that they either don't believe it is rampant, or they are chosing not to believe.  The rights of the "WRONGLY ACCUSED" take greater precident than the rights of the victims. 

What motive would a 10 year old boy have...a 12 year old girl have...to lie about their brother-in-law, when their school records proved them as excellent students, absolutely no behavioral problems, they had no pror history of story-telling...no trouble...and the motive to lie would be....?  His motive to lie, could it be to avoid jail time? 

All of this needs to be heard, questions need to be asked and answered of those who are supposed to enforce our laws and protect our children...but nobody's doing it.

How about a Dr. Phil Show with these issues being the topic...I'm ready to go...and I'm surely not alone...but I'd want law enforcement present and accountable.  Victims have done their part...and yes, it has to go to the next level!

It does seem as though the public and political eyes would rather act as though child abuse does not exist.   It's as if society as a whole still view children as possessions to do with as they choose.  I, like you am limited on my knowledge of laws other than the state I live in.  In Alabama, RC vs Alabama changed the laws to where parents get multiple "tries" with their children to be parents even if DHR steps in.  If, after 3 times of giving the child back, the child is still alive then they will finally be taken away from the parents permently, hopefully.  I know for myself that I was actually relieved when the 5 year statue of limitations ran out after my rapes because I felt so guilty for not reporting the rape because I feared that he would do it to others but I was so terrified of the threats he made and I just could not go on a stand and be raped all over again by some defense attorney.  He had already gotten away with rape before me in another state, why was I to think that it would be any different with my case?  Ironically, on a local news channel they did an interview with a young lady.  Here's her website, http://www.survivorsafehaven.org/index2.html  I was going to try to copy and paste the interview but I couldn't find it on the news channel's website any more.  I've looked at a little on this site but not all so I can't say how good or bad it is but it might be worth looking at.
 
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February 27, 2008, 8:42 pm PST

02/13 Behind Closed Doors

Quote From: trn1965

You know when he died i felt release but i cant say i still didnt love him because i did. I was so angry with him for doing this to my daughter.even though he is dead i still have to fight everyday with his family.Ive gotta move away to stop my anger .In a way i feel like im running away.I do want a new life a new start. I think what hurt the most is he said he wanted to show her what he does to her mother.Thats what hurt the most knowing she had to be degraded like me.
Oh wow! That has to be alot for both you to deal with.  I can understand you feel as though you are running but sometimes getting away is better than having to deal with people like that every day.  I hope with a little more time, you and your family can find comfort and a release. 
 

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