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September 22, 2006, 6:30 am PDT

What is the real issue?

I found it disappointing that so many people were focused on the "battle of the sexes" in this program.  This is the least relevant portion of this story.  Any normal man or woman could describe examples from their own experience of dating someone they wish they had not.  The owner of the web site said she ran it in order to give women a forum in which they can identify and warn other women of men they feel are to be avoided.  She alo stated she made no assumptions about the veracity of the claims made by these women.  This appears to be contradictory.  By the very nature of her reasoning for having the site, she has made the assumption that the stories are true.

 

The much larger issue here is the laws (or lack thereof) governing internet usage.  More than one website owner has claimed protection from the first amendment and protected their "sources" in the process.  I don't think you can have it both ways.  I don't think you can claim to be a form of the press while denying the rights of victims to pursue charges of libel and/or slander.  Problems of this nature will grow rapidly unless our elected officials wake up and find the courage to address the proper means of protecting the rights of both sides.  They do it in print, radio and television.  Isn't it time they did so with this new and rapidly growing media source?

 
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September 22, 2006, 6:36 am PDT

What planet are you from?

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littlytinylady, the right to "Freedom of Speech on the Internet."  what about doing the  RIGHT thing?  G.eez
Your message is symptomatic of the real problem.  While I defend the first amendment regularly, I am disgusted by those who hide behind it to avoid responsibility for their own words or actions.  It is cowardice in its purest form.
 
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September 22, 2006, 6:42 am PDT

On Target

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             I felt compelled to take a moment to say that I think what Tasha and the women who create these vicious postings on this web site are doing is just as bad, if not worse, than what these women are alleging these men to have done. While I'm sure that a lot of the things that these women are saying are true (perhaps exaggerated and painted more vivid with anger), I'm also sure that a lot of these postings are full of complete crap.

             Life involves choices, in my opinion these women have made bad choices. Bad choices in choosing a potential partner and terrible choices in voicing their hurt and anger through trash talk and immature, irrational behavior.

             I would like to see Tasha held liable for the site that she has created, which allows scorned women to slander men across the world if they so choose. Todd is right, employers are "googling" potential employees these days and something like that could come up. I do hope that the  justice system will not allow Tasha to go on potentially destroying these men's lives and livelihoods. I felt that her attitude was narcissistic and arrogant. She was very crass and unsympathetic to the real concerns that were voiced regarding this website that she has launched (to make money). I did feel that she did a great job of not directly answering a single one of Dr. Phil's questions though!

             Think before you act people, what goes around comes around. The relationship ended and perhaps it is true... he did cheat on you...tell him what you think of his choices and move on. Be thankful that you know the truth and learn from it. Otherwise, there'll be a new website...Don'tdateherdude.com and all of your dirty laundry (and probably some that doesn't even belong to you) will be posted along with your first and last name and a current photo will be displayed alongside it for the whole world to see.

       

 

Well said.  Why do we always have to forget personal responsibility and that equality is, by definition, for more than one side?
 
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September 22, 2006, 7:45 am PDT

Fantasy World

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Very well put-  I have not seen the site yet-    I just turned on Dr Phil ( I watch his show 98% of the time) -   I am really glad I saw this show-It woke me up ( I was getting ready to go to sleep)But this show was unbelievable!  I taped it.    I was too stunned to move.   Tasha I thought handled herself well-  Todd was very clearly ANGRY!!    It was SO obvious that he was hiding something-That he hurt this woman who posted on Tasha's site-   Todd tried to manipulate the situation to make HIM look like the victim!  I could tell by his actions (actions speak louder than words) that the woman or women were telling the truth about what he did. 

Todd is bllaming Tasha for what he did to the woman who posted-  (By the way-he wouldn't let Tasha talk-he kept interupting her)-   Why did he mention, angrily, what his student loan debt was?   He will NOT win this frivolous lawsuit against her website!  Give me a break!

Todd and men like him take no responsibilty for hurting women-It is about time women stood up agaisnt these cowards and hold them accountable for their actions- 

As far as women posting the info on the website or any other-  make sure you tell the truth!  Do not lie-I mean if he did not hurt you or whatever- then don't lie-Like women who cry rape and they were never raped (they recant-admit they made the story up)-   Don't lie- or make up stories-Give the facts and the truth-   I bet most or some of the accusations on the site ARE true!

Women who have been badly hurt and conned by a man-yes expose him-  Don't put false info on any website-  

Todd you are an idiot (your actions proved you were guilty)  -Tasha- you go girl!!!!

The truth !  Honesty!  Be heard!   

Todd and all the guys like him-TAKE RESPONSIBILTY FOR YOUR ACTIONS!!!!!!!!

As for Corey-  You ain't all that!    He said " I don't like dating older women because they have baggage"  I laughed so hard!!!   What a jerk!!

An update will  be very interesting!!

I really like the last sentence of the above post-  Shining the light on the con man....  That what prompted me to post-Plus I read almost every post and I have  learned alot-

(Why are women called Drama Queens for being honest and telling the truth?)

Men have been using lying to and smoothe talking vulnerable innocent women for centuries as well as all kinds of abuse -and women have been told to * get over it and move on*  I don't think so-It is ABOUT TIME that who were really hurt by these jerks to standup and  say "  NO MORE-WE ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANY MORE!!"    

Women- stay safe and protect your heart and in a respectful manner as to not lower yourself down to the levels of these male cowards- stand up for your self-  Create good Karma for yourself!Take back your power!  (Note to the women who ARE just lying and making stories up- Shame on you!!- )

By the way-I really like your post (Except maybe the first two lines)But overall a good strong post-  Thank you

PS-  No one ruined Todd's life but Todd- 

No one ruined Todd's life but Todd?  You KNOW this?  You have investigated and found everything said about him to be the unvarnished truth?  That is the ultimate crime in this web site.  No accuser can be confronted and ,therefore, not be accountable for the truth of their statements.  Your bitterness is sad.  Obviously you have been treated very poorly by a man or men.  Please just remember that broad conclusions are almost always wrong.  Life is a two way street.   
 
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September 22, 2006, 9:14 am PDT

Exactly

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'When is someone or some agency going to put restraints on the internet's access and use?  When women like Tasha can do what she is doing and profit from it, it is no wonder men like Todd will respond in kind.  Pornography and the exploitation of children and teens takes precedence over this sort of foolishness, but it is all adding to the detriment of our society.  Wake Up America - smell the Republic burning.  (and as an after-thought, "the lady doth protest a bit too much" in response to Tasha).
You are right on point.  Well done.
 
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September 22, 2006, 10:03 am PDT

One step further

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I ABSOUTELTY, TOTALLY AGREE, that Tasha is an embarrassment to and for all Women.  I really hope that before she leave this world that find LOVE in her heart and learn to do what's right in every situation.
I certainly agree with your feelings on this person.  I just want to take it another step and say the Tasha is an embarassment to and for all people.  While I also hope she can find some happiness in life, I am not optimistic.
 
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September 22, 2006, 10:07 am PDT

Examples

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OMG are you kidding me! Regardless of whatever this guy has or has not done, what these women are doing is no different that what youth are doing online - only we call it CYBER BULLYING! This is the excatly one of the points I make in my thesis which is on the topic of cyber bullying. If a youth says something negative, hurtful or hateful against a peer it is labled as bullying, but yet were does this behaviour become acceptable ? Is it just because they are adults that they seem to think it is ok? I know Dr. Phil will set them straight on this. If we want our young people to treat others with respect online than we as adults need to set that example and not engage in and model the same behaviour we are telling them is not ok!

 

Dr. Phil I know you have my back on this don't you!

I'm sure he would agree with you, but you should know he isn't the only one in your corner on this.
 
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October 12, 2006, 10:14 am PDT

Interesting

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I couldn't have said it better!  It amazes me on how much these people who don't like to work get for fee, they get medical, dental, housing, their heating paid etc.  Meanwhile, I work my butt off, put my child into daycare, when I rather be at home and nuturing her myself instead of strangers.  There are so many jobs out there.  But it's better to help yourself and feel good about yourself then to have the state paying for you, oh wait, I mean the taxpayers.  I am teaching my daughter to be a leader, not a follower!!!!  When I was growing up I got the daylights beat of me everyday, often went without food or heat & electricity.  My dad was an alcoholic and I use to see him put a gun to my moms head.  She eventually left him (ten years later) and raised us three kids on her own, by getting two jobs.  If my mom could do it, then these people can do it.  These people need to stop taking hand outs and get help themselves.
I find this very interesting.  From what source (experience, research et al) do you find the information to bring you to such a sweeping analysis of the "welfare system"?
 
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October 12, 2006, 10:22 am PDT

A Point

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If you are poor or struggling you aren't human.

You deserve no creature comforts.

You deserve no amenities.

You deserve no diversions.

You deserve nothing.

We want to watch you bleed.

You are to constantly tell yourself you are poor; you are scum.

You must take a job that doesn't even pay enough to cover the rent.

Work your fingers to the bone, so some idiot in an ivory tower can buy a new yacht.

So what if you should be paid a decent living wage, and you're not. 

How dare you look the more fortunate in the eyes.

Remember you're poor.

Keep your place.

Keep your head bowed.

Please Sir can I have some more?

 

 

I cannot believe the level of hostility on this board. It gives me a headache. It makes me sad. I fear for the future. I thought we were supposed to work toward a society that reaches out a loving hand. Instead most seem to want to throw a fist. There will always be people that need more help. There will always be those that take advantage.  There will always be people that are lazy. Instead of being hard hearted because you have had to struggle think of a way you can help someone so they don't have to struggle as hard as you did. Yes you crawled across broken glass for what you have; I'm sorry for it. Why do you want another to have to bleed like you did? Wouldn't you spare someone some pain? The luckier you are the more you should help.

 

 

 

I found your message to be well done.  I have a great deal of experiemce in working with people who are less fortunate.  When a new employee begins working herre, I ask them to describe the typical welfare recipient.  Tha response vary a great deal.  My answer to them is that there is no answer.  That person is any given person you see on the street, in a bank or in a grocery store.  They are as diverse as their problems.  There are certainly the fraudulent ones and those who think the government should support them by right, but for each of these there are ten more in very sad and tragic positions in life.  While I would surely like to do more about the first group, I never want to do it at the expense of the second.
 
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October 12, 2006, 10:32 am PDT

In Part

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I don't think that Manuel and Heather have what it takes to hang on to this house.

If they did, they would  NOT have been in the situation they were in.

Heather has an anxiety disorder and can't work? People who work have anxiety. NO EXCUSE

Manuel has to stay home to care for Heather? If all husbands stayed home to take of their anxious wives, no one would work!  NO EXCUSE

Manuel couldn't get to work on time because he had too much to do to ready the movement of the motorhome? Get real!  We all have daunting tasks before work and many have hours of commute time. NO EXCUSE

These parents chose to have a large family and there is NO EXCUSE for either of them to not work. 

I see little hope that this family will be any better off a year from now. BUT hopefully, I'm wrong.

I can agree with much you said.  My only issue is whether you have ever experienced a true anxiety/panic disorder.  I believe that if you have your thinking might change a bit.  Most anxiety/panic attack disorders CAN be managed and allow people to remain in the working world.  But, first take a step and at leat read about the true nature of the problem.  It most certainly is NOT a question of having anxiety about issues.
 

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