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September 21, 2006, 12:31 pm PDT

Cults in our Midst

It would be great if Dr. Phil did a show on the more covert methods and groups that employ thought reform, the large group awareness trainings and psychotherapy cults.  More experts on cults, like Rick Ross, would be great to have on the show.   Mr. Ross has a huge database on all these other groups, as well as the more traditional cult groups, like the one on Dr. Phil's show. 
 
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September 22, 2006, 6:19 am PDT

Cult expert information

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I would like to know more information on this Rick Ross.  Please post a web site that one might learn from?

Thank you

www.rickross.com has the database

 

http://forum.rickross.com  is the cult survivor's forum

 
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September 22, 2006, 6:23 am PDT

Defining a cult

Religion has been maligned as cult-like in several posts on this board.  There is a big difference between religious teaching to guide one in their spiritual and religious life, and the thought reform, the intent of which is to be promote and make profit for a leader or group of leaders.   Any group can become cult-like, depending on the leader and that person's intent. 

 

http://www.rickross.com/faq.html

 
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September 22, 2006, 3:46 pm PDT

Well - the question is, what are YOU thinking

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I am not upset with the people who were dragged into cults as children or born into them. I understand why they are there, they don't anything different. Whe I say I want to slap people, I mean the older people who have cognitive thinking skills, supposedly. What the hell are you people thinking?

Cults con people and don't prey on weak people; that is a myth.   THey prey on people they can get something out of, and it's a slow boil.  The person who has been recruited doesn't know what is happening.   You  need to educate yourself so you don't have the need to slap people who have been duped, as you could easily be if you continue to think like you are.
 
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September 22, 2006, 3:54 pm PDT

More cult information

http://www.blgoldberg.com/POSTCULT.htm   http://www.csj.org/   http://www.freedomofmind.com/   http://www.factnet.org/
 
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September 22, 2006, 4:11 pm PDT

09/21 Cult Confrontations

http://www.blgoldberg.com/POSTCULT.htm     http://www.csj.org/     http://www.freedomofmind.com/     http://www.factnet.org/   Books: The Guru Papers: Masks of Authoritarian Power, by Joel Kramer and DianA Alstad   Turn Off Your Mind: The Mystic Sixties and the Dark Side of the Age of Aquarius (about roots of new age cults), by Gary Lachman   Spiritual Vampires:  The use and misuse of spiritual power, by Marty Raphael   Recovery from Abusive Groups, by Wendy Ford   Prophetic Charisma, The Psychology  of Revolutionary Religious Personalities, by Len Oakes   Cults in Our Midst, The Hidden Menace in our Everyday Lives, by Margaret Thaler Singer with forward by Robert Jay Lefton 
 
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September 22, 2006, 4:24 pm PDT

Too bad the board doesn't put in

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http://www.blgoldberg.com/POSTCULT.htm     http://www.csj.org/     http://www.freedomofmind.com/     http://www.factnet.org/   Books: The Guru Papers: Masks of Authoritarian Power, by Joel Kramer and DianA Alstad   Turn Off Your Mind: The Mystic Sixties and the Dark Side of the Age of Aquarius (about roots of new age cults), by Gary Lachman   Spiritual Vampires:  The use and misuse of spiritual power, by Marty Raphael   Recovery from Abusive Groups, by Wendy Ford   Prophetic Charisma, The Psychology  of Revolutionary Religious Personalities, by Len Oakes   Cults in Our Midst, The Hidden Menace in our Everyday Lives, by Margaret Thaler Singer with forward by Robert Jay Lefton 
inhard returns between lines.  All the titles are mushed together.
 
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September 24, 2006, 11:43 am PDT

09/21 Cult Confrontations

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Watching the shows about Cults brought back so many memories.  There are also main stream religious cults.  I grew up in a Fundamentalist Baptist Church, which was a "closet" cult. The women are taught the man is the head of the house, and the men are not to be questioned. The minister where I was going rebuked me for having a "honey do" list for my husband on his vacation.  When I spoke back, laughed saying "he wasn't on vacation but on strike  form his company", the minister  was not happy with me at all.

I am fifty-seven years old and have been in therapy since 1987 off and on.  The counselor I have now said he would diagnose my condition as "post traumaic stress syndrome".  I raised my daughters in this church until I finally could not stand it any longer, much to my parents anger.  They have also been traumatized.  There is so much more that happened.  I have always wondered how many others raised in a Fundamentalist Baptist Church are having the some struggles I am having.  I try so hard to get over it, but I can't seem to go on.  I have had to quit work because I can hardly leave the house because I feel of no value.  Remember, we women are of no value.  I told my mother two years ago that she never hug, kiss or told me she loved me and she said she didn't know she had too.  When I was eighteen, I had a breast tumor and my father said God was punishing me.  I also had some problems in my marriage in the late '80s and my father said he would rather I live in an abusive relationship than embarrass him in fornt of his church.

http://forum.rickross.com/  There are others in the same predicament.  
 
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October 3, 2006, 4:14 pm PDT

You need to read up on cults

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I'm a 23 year old female.  I am a stay at home mom of a little boy and a little girl. =)  That's why I responded to you, if I believed my child was in a cult I would be very worried about it as well.  When you mentioned that it was a New Age cult I responded because New Age is not a cult, in the way that most people define it.  The word "cult" is really any group of people that get together to worship something, so really, every religion is a cult.   

 

I know that many people define it as brainwashing and there are definilty some groups that do that, but as we saw in this show, it can be a Christian group as well.  Those claiming to be Christian, anyway.  That's why we have to be careful with labeling people and what they believe.  I'm a Pagan, that's why I felt the need to interject, because what I believe is definitly not brainwashing. You did say that your child wasn't having any say in what she does, and that there is always someone there telling her what to do and what to think, and THAT is  brainwashing for sure.  I am free to do what I want, to think and believe as I want.  What I believe as been with me since I was a child, I didn't know it had a name until 5 years ago, it's not only something that I believe, but I feel it as well.

 

I hope this answers your question.  I welcome all questions and am happy that you asked.  =)  I hope that your search for your daughter continues.  Don't give up.  She may be needing you.

 

Take care.

 

http://www.rickross.com/faq.html  Your definition of a cult is erroneous.  Any group, whether religious, psychotherapeutic, business or community based can be deceptive and manipulative, which are the hallmarks of a cult or cult-like relationship.   Merely being an organized religion does not make a group a cult, no more than a business or charitable organization. 

 

 

 
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October 5, 2006, 8:31 am PDT

09/21 Cult Confrontations

The word "cult" is really any group of people that get together to worship something, so really, every religion is a cult.   "

 

The dictionary.com definition is dated when one considers the information cult experts have been presenting for years now.   As one can see from some of the posts and reactions to Dr. Phil's show, both here and on other boards, the dictionary.com version is popular because no one really knows the true stories behind cults.   There is a lot of criticism towards people who are in cults, as being stupid and gullible, which is not the case.  It is the perception that every religion is a cult that prevents people from getting their loved ones out, because government will not intervene in truly damaging cults, like the one the people on the Dr. Phil show are involved with.   The attorney general has tried to be inclusive because the argument is that this is not a cult, in the perjorative sense, but it is a religion and they have a right to do what they do.  Orrin Hatch has looked the other way for the same reasons.  

 

You are correct when you say New Age is not a cult, but rather a belief system.  However, there are many cults that have twisted New Age beliefs, just as Christian cults have.  

 

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