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December 21, 2006, 11:30 pm PST

12/20 Marry Me or Else!

Quote From: purplepenny

No, you said it would strengthen the relationship. I don't get how. That makes no sense. Why does it bug you so much that some people don't want to get married?

Are you asking because you care what God thinks are you just asking for the sake of arguing your viewpoint?  I am grieved when people do things that are against God's way of doing things, why? because I know that doing things His way always produces good.  (and by the way God's idea of good is not man's idea of good) Man thinks that good means you will never have problems, not so.  Just because you marry doesn't mean you will not encounter all the same things if you are common law married.

 

The Lord tells us in His word that we are to obey the law of the land if it lines up with His word (the Bible).  The law of the land tells us that we have to have a piece of paper in order to be married.  Therefore, since marriage is an institute God created then God is all for making marriage legal, ie a piece of paper.  If God says marriage is good then it is good.  If God says to obey the laws of the land then we are to sign a piece of paper in order to be married.  In this country if you do not sign a piece of paper then you are not considered married.  Living together for a long period of time, having children together does not make you married according to the laws of our land.

 

That small piece of paper cements your committment and makes it legal.  It is a whole lot easier to walk away from a contract or committment when you do not have any binding legal paperwork tying you down.  Now for my own personal opinion--if you care to know....  People who do not have legal paperwork saying they are married are afraid of something and frankly cannot commit all of their hearts to that one person. They can have sex with them, have children (which by the way costs much more than a $50.00 marriage certificate), and live as a married person, but they can't seem to seal the deal with a marriage certificate....what's wrong with this picture?  And why are these people above the law anyway, if the law says in order to be married you have to sign a piece of paper and pay a few bucks to the government, so what.  The price of one's love has no price tag or so it shouldn't. 

 

We can agree to disagree.  My original point was to say that God is in favor of marriage and He is not in favor of living together. 

 
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December 21, 2006, 11:51 pm PST

12/20 Marry Me or Else!

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Life is way too short to be unhappy. I have always believed that getting married should be harder and divorcing easier. To be harsh and direct with you, since you have no problem with it, I don't care if what I do honours your god or not. My marriages have no bearing and no impact on you, and if you think it does that is your cross to bear not mine.

You should never stay married if you are unhappy. Sometimes people make mistakes, sometimes people change, sometimes it was just a wrong fit from the beginning. Try and fix it, but don't live with something that is broken. Divorce is always an option. It's ridiculous and cruel to make people feel bad because they have failed at something. I am so glad that there is separation of church and state because of people like you. I sleep better at night knowing that no one can whack me with their bible or koran or whatever holy book.

Maybe you would like to live in a country where women have no rights or access to divorce. They have to stay in abusive, loveless, joyless, marriages with no voice. Oh Lord, that's something to advocate. They talk of god and what he wants too. It's dangerous, confining, stifling, grotesque, and inhuman. Women have fought for their rights with tears and blood; rights you enjoy whether you exercise them or not. You live in a society built on the backs of heroes and martyrs. And if you don't think your way of thinking doesn't impact me you need to become more aware.

The wisdom of man is foolishness to God.  I am sorry that you don't care about God, but you know what He cares about you.  And while you were yet a sinner He died on a cross for you and took your punishment for you because He loves you so.  One day you might care what God thinks and if and when that day comes the Lord will bring back this conversation to you.  He will remind you how He spoke directly to your heart about things that matter to Him.  You matter to Him even if He doesn't matter to you. 

 

Your marriages have an impact on Jesus Christ and maybe someday you will understand why?  I hope for your sake. 

 

Happiness is elusive because it changes with our circumstances. 

 

If you enter into a marriage with divorce being an option then the marriage is doomed from the start, why would you ever consider marrying the person if there is even a hint that it could not work out?  There is nothing too difficult for the Lord, with God as the head of your relationship there is nothing that cannot be worked out. 

 

Separation of church and state does not really exist.  Read Thomas Jefferson's original dialogue on the separation of church and state and you will see that he never meant it to be separate.

 

I don't live in a country where women have no rights because God placed me here in this country so that I may exercise my free beliefs to whomever he places upon my path.  In God's eyes we are all equal, He does not see differences, He sees hearts, especially broken hearts. 

 

God does not condemn people for their mistakes, He seeks to restore them.  I also do not condemn people for their mistakes.  I realize that people marry the wrong person every day and feel that divorce is their only option.  What my point has been all along is that God values marriage and would rather us stay married rather than divorce. God would rather us marry rather than living together.

 

We both live in the USA, I am assuming so and this country was built on the principles of our Holy Bible and our Heavenly Father Jesus Christ.  Jesus Christ raised up godly men and women to fight for the rights of His people for yours and mines sake.  The real thanks goes to Jesus Christ. 

 

My way of thinking does impact you, maybe for now it angers you I realize that.  But hopefully later it will impact you in a different way. 

 
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December 21, 2006, 11:57 pm PST

12/20 Marry Me or Else!

Quote From: purplepenny

Well that is where we disagree. I don't think divorce is the end of the world and I think divorce can be a very positive option for some people.

"I know you said that you used to believe in God but now you don't, but still even if you don't believe in God it will still honor Him and for that He will honor you."

That makes no sense...there is no God. Now, I know what you are going to say..."But I do believe in God."...well...that's fine, but don't act like my marriage honors any God. It does not. My marriage is a Godless marriage. God is not involved, invited or any part of it. My marriage is a legal contract between me and the government. I have made NO agreement with any supernatural deity.

Your marriage may be a godless marriage, but it still honors God whether you acknowledge Him or not.  He, Jesus Christ, still honors you.  He is faithful even when we are not.  He forevermore loves you and continually speaks to you in your circumstances.  He speaks to you in that still small voice, waiting patiently for you to answer in your heart. 

 

You don't have to make any agreement with a supernatural deity for God to honor your marriage.  The fact that He honors marriage means that He honors your marriage. 

 

 

 

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