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October 29, 2006, 10:04 am PST

11/01 Is This Normal?

Quote From: fidosmommy

I'm a church pastor who has given up trying to get members to understand that wreaths, trees, mistletoe, and red and green have nothing whatsoever to do with Christmas and are indeed symbols of pagan religions.  But, if they want to celebrate with over the top decorating and gift buying, I guess I won't be able to stop them.   I wonder what the originator of Christmas thinks about it, though. 

 

I grew up in a midwestern, mid-sized city where the local political cartoonist used the same cartoon every Christmas day for years on end.  Hugh Haynie depicted a person staring off into air, holding his incredibly full Christmas gift list.  He thinks to himself "Have I forgotten anybody?"

as the One whose birthday it is is looking over his shoulder, finding his name nowhere on the list.

 

I personally decided years ago that Christmas cards, parties, clothes, foods and the like would be eliminated from my celebrations.  I would only do those things that put Christ at the center.  Since that decision, Christmas has become happier, longer-lasting, with absolutely no post-holiday let-down.  After Christmas comes the rest of the Christian year with an equal amount of meaning and joy.  I would never want to return to the shopping malls and kitchen to find Christmas. 

 

Thank you for listening.  Nobody else around here will!   <grin>

 I'm a Christian whose children go trick or treating AND whose pastor hands out candy and treats to the kids. A lot of churches in our area use this as an evanglism tool. I love going to parties and dressing up and being silly. I also,do the tree for Christmas, presents etc. Some of those traditions may have pagan origins but, it's about what they are for us (tradition, connection with our family's past) Not about their origins. That kinda logic would keep me from using technology as it was advanced mostly by war. Jesus knows my heart and intentions THAT'S what matters most.
 
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October 29, 2006, 10:24 am PST

10/11 One Paycheck Away

Quote From: holistichell

I know someone who chooses that way of living, but he is also severely schizophrenic; it has gotten worse since I first met him.   He does okay.   He actually works in construction, he also is not a substance abuser, doesn't receive SSI checks or any assistance, yet lives in a comfortably furnished abandoned tractor trailer that was dumped in an empty lot in an isolated area.

 

I'm going to look into homeless awareness week.  I think if more people are aware of how many different situations propel people into homelessness, and all the other things that cause homelessness, then maybe they will stop crying NIMBY and actually do something preventative.

 Amen, to that. It's truely a case of there but by the grace of God go I. All it takes is an accident, illness, divorce, something like my situation, etc. (then they may not have a backyard to worry about) Seriously, bless you for your efforts and Good luck!
 
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October 29, 2006, 10:39 am PST

10/23 The Dr. Phil House: House of Hatred

Quote From: janissi43

If I hear one more person complain about BET or scholarships for blacks, I will hit the ceiling!  First of all before you start raging on about this tired subject, you have to understand why these things exist.

 

1) If you open your eyes, you will see White Entertainment Television everyday.  When you watch TV most of the faces you see are white, thus WET. Ever check out ABC, NBC, CBS?  You're getting caught up with the name, BET.

 

2)  Everyone I hear complain about BET doesn't seem to have a beef with Lifetime (for women) or may I add Telemundo and Univision (for Spanish speakers).  Nope, the wining continues about BET.  These stations cater to various demographics, so get over it.

 

3)  Too bad you weren't around when whites had (and still do) have preferencial treatment over blacks and other people of color.  Oh, and let me clue you in to the real world: Wherever I work or whatever I go, I've never seen a shortage of whites working, so your notion that blacks get jobs based on skin color and that they are "taking jobs away from whites" is ridiculous.

 

I alway wonder about people that whine about things like this.  Arguments like yours are never based on facts, just emotion.  People like you always want to blame blacks for issues of racism.  I suggest you Google "white priviledge" and see what you find out.  Get your facts straight and quite whining.

 I'm sorry, but I've seen cars with stickers that say  "Black Power" on them. I think to myself, "what's with that?" Any car that had the opposite on it would at the least have a note put on it. If not, I'd put one on.

 We're all one race, the human race, and we need to stop dividing ourselves and work together.

 
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October 29, 2006, 10:50 am PST

10/23 The Dr. Phil House: House of Hatred

Quote From: powers009

I am not trying to justify slavery. My point is color has never had anything to do with slavery at least color of the skin. It has and always will be the amount the person has in their wallet. The poor has always suffered at the hands of the rich and poverty knows no skin color.

 There were indentured servants. Often they were taken advantage of (due to the fact a lot weren't literate.) Some would sign a contract ,for say, 7 years and end up working for far longer than that, due to unscrupulous people who took advantage. If you go to work in exchange for passage and agree to 7 years and have a"bait and switch" pulled on you, where you end up working for say 9 years. what's that? I'd say those extra years were slavery (albeit not to the same degree) Sadly, people who have the advantage often, take advantage of the less fortunate,regardless of skin colour.
 
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October 30, 2006, 11:10 am PST

10/11 One Paycheck Away

Quote From: holistichell

Thank you for sharing your experiences here.   It's when others hear about what can happen to people just like themselves that they will understand homelessness.

 

I did find out that homeless awareness week is a national campaign.  It's not surprising that working in my county, a county that tries to deny there is a homeless problem, that I never heard about it locally. 

 

I'm going to try and hold an event at the library and talk about my experiences in working the system on behalf of the homeless in this area.

 

Good luck to you. 

thank you,again.

 I thought it was nationwide. Before my experience of actually being in the homeless shelter, I used to decide to go to church on the night of the vigil downtown. This year I'm bringing my church or some of it to the vigil. We need to realize that the next homeless person could be your best friend or you(general) just the other day a family was left homeless due to fire (in my town).

Not everyone has family to live with or renter's insurance.

 Good luck, back to you, and best wishes.

 
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October 30, 2006, 11:21 am PST

10/23 The Dr. Phil House: House of Hatred

Quote From: kleesun

First of all, I think it's simplistic and dismissive to say that any one group (ethnic, religious, whatever) "built" America.  It was a group effort.  Not all of them contributed voluntarily and not all of them contributed in the same way, but the history of any country is much more complex than the input of any one influence.

 

I thought it was pretty well documented that blacks provided a lot of the "sweat equity" behind the U.S. economy (just ask Brown University).  There are a lot of other underappreciated ethnic groups in U.S. history--how about the Chinese  who built the railroads and provided a lot of other services and labor out West?

 

I think the theory that humans evolved (yes, I believe in evolution) out of Africa is neither here nor there, but I don't see why B insists on making such a big deal out of it.  If it's true--so what?  It's not like any of us, of any color, had anything to do with it.  And doesn't it make racism look especially pointless (whether you're white and hate blacks or black and hate whites)?

 

In terms of ancestry, most people aren't what they think they are, anyway.  Most African-Americans in the U.S. have some white ancestry (not voluntarily, unfortunately, but it's there now).  A lot of whites have some non-white ancestry.  I had a friend whose mother swore up and down that they were "pure English", but when my friend finally had the chance to do the genealogy, she got back five or six generations and discovered that everything had turned to German and Cherokee, and she had maybe one English branch of the family, 200 years ago.  She thought it was hilarious that her family had been so stubborn about it; she didn't really care what she was but she thought it was interesting to know.

 

My family started coming here over 300 years ago; as far as I know I'm mostly Western European (British Isles, Germany, France, Switzerland) and maybe a little Jewish, but there could be a lot of things in there that I don't know about, so what's the point of worrying?

 You're so right! We all are not what we think we are. my family came here from Germany thru Holland (about 300) years ago. we've always considered ourselves P.A. Deutch on (Dad's side) I found out recently that  yes there's German AND Jewish on that side. Mom's side is French, Native American,Irish, and Welsh. So.. I'm a mutt that happens to look like the proverbial blond blue-eyed girl next door. Like I've said before, who knows who slept with who's milkman all those years ago. And really, aren't there more important things to worry about?
 
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October 30, 2006, 11:44 am PST

10/30 The Dr. Phil House: House of Hatred, Part 2

Quote From: janissi

The Scotish, Irish and many others you mentioned is a totally different issue than slavery. Completely different.  When I hear people say that "everybody" was a slave, I cringe.  Have you read the horrific accounts of slavery?  Not too many people are aware of the immense cruelty blacks endured during that time.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that blacks are the only ones that have endured hardship, but there is a deep, dark history of hatred toward blacks (read some of Thomas Jefferson's writings to begin with) and go deep into the history of this country's racist past and present.  The animousity towards black people is so thick you can cut it with a knife. 

 

Anyway we are not here to discuss slavery so I digressed.

 I've already mentioned indentured servitude which (at times) amounted to slavery when those servants were taken advantage of and worked long past the agreed to contract..Please understand, I'm not saying everyone's ancestors were slaves or were treated cruelly.You  just can't lump all white people in the same catagory. I would also like to point out that many white people risked their livelyhoods, homes and lives speaking out against slavery and also in hiding runaway slaves.

That said, the "white power" guy needs to confront reality, the whole "if it's not white it's not right' attitude doesn't fly. I'm sure there's lots of little secrets in his family history. They didn't have paternity tests in the olden days and lot s of kids were born "wrong side of the blanket" or were passed of as the Husband's. So, even if his family tree records that his family is lily white as far back as could be traced, can you really be sure?

 
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October 30, 2006, 5:24 pm PST

11/01 Is This Normal?

Quote From: hotmomma79

that is such a sad story?  what religion were they?  I've never heard of  a religion not letting kids learn to swim, that just seems like a silly and ignorant thing to me!  I'm one Jehovah's Witnesses and my parents encouraged me to take those swimming classes, they didn't want me to drown someday.  But back to the topic of the person on the show taking presents and not actually celebrating the holidays, i was in bed last night thinking that even if she is one of Jehovah's witnesses, they probably wouldn't mention it on the show.  The producers usually don't want to risk offending any one religious  denomination.  This should be a good show all around i think, because as far as i'm concerned, nobody is really 'normal'...least of all me!!!
 I"m not sure really, I'd always thought they were an offshoot of Mennonite as the girls always wore dresses. I believe the reason they couldn't take part in swim classes was because they'd have to wear bathing suits and swim w/the boys.I know their parents didn't want them to wear bathing suits.  They of course, didn't trick or treat either and I don't know what they did about Christmas at home.
 
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November 1, 2006, 10:33 am PST

11/01 Is This Normal?

Quote From: poetmom

Just wanted to let Shelita know that she is NOT alone, and there are PLENTY of other Christians out here who have chosen not to celebrate holidays that have wordly rather than Heavenly origins. We have to do what we believe is best for our families, and our eternal lives, and if other family members, or Dr. Phil, don't understand, then that's their loss.
You should know there are plenty of Christians that DO celebrate those holidays. Myself and my pastor included. I guess Jesus knows my heart  and He knows that we're just having fun not hurting anyone. I'm sure most of the pagans here would agree that the originators of these holidays probably wouldn't quite recognize them because they've been soooo Americanized.
 
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November 1, 2006, 10:40 am PST

11/01 Is This Normal?

Quote From: jahluvs

that the bible tells us to remember and that is of Christ's death. He said to remember him in that way. Other traditions, festivals, celebrations are condemned in the bible.
 Really, where?
 

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