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March 26, 2008, 4:06 pm PDT

I think it's sad

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Will someone please explain how INDIVIDUAL plastic surgery is perceived by someone of the same race as an attack on the entire ethnic group?  No matter the ethnicity, HUMAN BEINGS, even as infants, prefer to look at a face that is symmetrical--it isn't a conscious decision.   

 

I believe when the person is getting plastic surgery solely to change the ethnicity of the way they look in order to appear more like another culture says to that culture that they think something is wrong with the way that culture looks. So I can see why another culture would be disturbed by this. Personally, I feel sorry for the person who gets plastic surgery solely for this purpose because they don't love and accept themselves as beautiful. Well personally, I don't care if a person's face is symmetrical or asymmetrical as I'm not that shallow to perceive beauty in a typical fashion. I find people who have something different about their physical features more interesting to look at, as well as more interesting to photograph, sketch and paint , than people who are considered beautiful by typical standards of beauty.
 
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March 26, 2008, 4:13 pm PDT

03/26 "Change My Face, Change My Race"

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Brad: I love your nose.  I have been accused of having a big nose as well, but would never change it.  My face is what makes me who I am.  I would feel fake altering the way I look.  Please reconsider.

You are very pretty.

 
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March 27, 2008, 9:28 am PDT

You still missed my point

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Another "culture" being disturbed?  That speaks for a VERY large group.  A few people from a culture may be bothered due to their own personal insecurities...but the changes of an individual's appearance only affects the individual.  I don't get "offended" when white people tan, tan, tan, or when they speak with a black ghetto accent...I'm Italian and if my nose was too big, I'd surgerize it down--nothing to do with my ethnicity and everything to do with my nose being TOO BIG for my face, and not wanting my nose to precede ME, and letting the God-gifted surgeons ensure my feelings to never be hurt again about my nose. 

 

Yes, people who look different are interesting to look at, but that is from an external perspective.  How does the different-looking person feel about it?  And symmetry has nothing to do with shallow--a balanced view is initially attractive.  And unfortunately, looks are the first thing we notice.  Without eyes, this wouldn't be a discussion. 

You are missing my point. My point is if a person is ashamed of their ethnicity and they get plastic surgery solely for the purpose, then this says don't love who they are. I said another culture meaning some people from another culture. I did not mean to suggest a whole group. My point it I can see where someone from another culture would be offended.

 

Also I don't look at people that way so I guess maybe I am just different. When I hear and see the word symmetry and view from an artistic perspective, I think perfectly the same on both side. In art classes the painting and visual pieces that were asymmetrical were always deemed the most interesting when critiqued by my teachers and the students. So maybe artists see things a little differently. There are different ways of seeing.

 
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March 27, 2008, 9:43 am PDT

Symmetry vs. Asymmetry

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Another "culture" being disturbed?  That speaks for a VERY large group.  A few people from a culture may be bothered due to their own personal insecurities...but the changes of an individual's appearance only affects the individual.  I don't get "offended" when white people tan, tan, tan, or when they speak with a black ghetto accent...I'm Italian and if my nose was too big, I'd surgerize it down--nothing to do with my ethnicity and everything to do with my nose being TOO BIG for my face, and not wanting my nose to precede ME, and letting the God-gifted surgeons ensure my feelings to never be hurt again about my nose. 

 

Yes, people who look different are interesting to look at, but that is from an external perspective.  How does the different-looking person feel about it?  And symmetry has nothing to do with shallow--a balanced view is initially attractive.  And unfortunately, looks are the first thing we notice.  Without eyes, this wouldn't be a discussion. 

Also, since we were talking about symmetry, I'd like to add this. I am considered very attractive and get hit on all the time by men of all different races, and my face is in no way symmetrical. So the symmetry studies may be true in most instances but the findings haven't applied in my case.

 
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March 27, 2008, 10:37 am PDT

This kind of thinking can be harmful

Quote From: harbour909

Dr. Phil - I totally agree with James as to intelligence of Asians.  Statistics show that this is true - and when I play Bridge on computer the Asian bridge players prove it to be true.  One thing that puzzles me is why James married other than an Asian!!  Maybe he thought he would be outsmarted.

As to Brad having cosmetic surgery to change shape of nose.  I am totally in favor of this being done.  When I was 70 I had a tummy tuck and have never been sorry.  And when I look at women my age and see their fat tummy I really feel good about myself.  I had to buy blouses that were too large in the shoulders so that there would be space enough in the hip area.  Also, now I can tuck my blouse in my skirt or pants if I want to.  So I say to Brad - GO FOR IT!  A side note is that even housekeeping would come and peek around the curtain at me and say "Hi" - probably wondering what this 70-year old vain woman looked like.

It is not good for us to think that many Asians are somehow inherently more intelligent than non-Asians

when the truth is that if the majority of  people put the same amount of time in learning studying in as many Asians have been taught to do, then the majority of non-Asian people would be just as intelligent too.

 

This also works in a harmful way too. I heard an Asian-American female say that she hated growing up with the stigma that somehow Asians were smarter. She said in her math class at school, the teachers always expected her to have the correct answers and always looked for her to be the first to solve the math problems. The irony of it all, was that she hated math and wasn't good at math so this really annoyed her. It also made the other students begin to resent her because the teachers immediately assumed when she first came to class that she was smarter just because she was Asian.

 

I can also remember in a college class that I was taking where we were given an math assignment that would be due at the end of class and one of the Asian students as well as a 2 other students copied my friend's answers. When we all got our grades back my friend ended up being livid. My friend asked everyone what grade they received. The other 2 students who copied her answers received a grade of C just as she had because some of her answers were wrong. The Asian student received an A.  My friend and the rest of the students in class then assumed that the teacher didn't even bother to look at the Asian student's answers and just assumed that they were correct. I really don't know if this is what the teacher's thinking was but this is what the rest of the class thought.

 

 

 

 
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March 27, 2008, 12:20 pm PDT

Photos did look like mug shots

Quote From: katjulpay

I was disappointed in the survey taken when random people were shown 3 photos and were asked which person was more attractive. What I found questionable were the differences in the apearances of the three women. The African-American photo and the Asian photo (although beautiful women) seemed like mug shots. The African American's had big hair which seemed unkept and the Asian looked like like a befor photo in an infomercial.

I think you could have done a better job. Would that have changed the results? Perhaps not. But it didn't seem fair.

Kat

LOLOL. I also thought the photos of the other 2 women looked more like mugshots while the blonde woman's photo looked almost like a glamour shot.
 

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