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November 21, 2006, 3:31 pm PST

11/21 Nightmare Brides and Grooms

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It's not your "me day" it's your life.

 

Just hope you had marriage counselling.  Seems you have done everything else but.

 

Get the clue from the show - it's not about the wedding.

 

Since you are so into teamwork - is the family going to work as hard as you on this marriage?

 

Seems you are like a Lucy Lawless (Zeneth Warrior) when it comes to you future husband.  Protector and decision maker.  How's that going to work?

 

Am surprised about your comment on Nastasia and Richard.  You know she cannot marry this man.

 Actually, yes, we're undergoing couples pre-marital counseling now. As you commented, I am like a princess warrior when it comes to being proactive.

The whole point of my post is me put the ceremony in perspective, amid many commonly heard stories of brides who let the wedding planning overwhelm what should be more important priorities, like their marriages-to-be.

Please read remarks more carefully before you responsd to them.
 
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November 22, 2006, 2:53 pm PST

i too wanted to hate Steven...

 ...but i ended up crying at the end of the show, when his 6th grade teacher gave him that message, and then his reaction.... Oh! I feel very maudlin crying over a talk show, over people I don't know, but I felt this family's pain viscerally.

It seems like I dated, years and years ago, a guy like Steven: full of anger and hostility' decidedly did not get along with his mother and sibling; was directionless and adrift. But inside, he was like a pussycat. Of course, it's impossible to have a stable relationship with someone enduring this much pain, but even now, I have to maintain that, essentially, he did have a beautiful soul.

I got the impression during the end credits that Steven was crying because he felt like he disappointed someone he respected tremendously, and that he had fallen so far from what he once was.

I can personally attest that PEOPLE CAN CHANGE. I know, I know, that old adage: "People don't change!" That's not true. When properly motivated, when the person him/herself wants to change, change will happen.

Take heart! Baby steps to a better tomorrow!
 
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November 22, 2006, 6:05 pm PST

maybe just one dinner

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I have a son who I love very much, but he has chosen a road that I can't agree with. He was abused at a young age which led to drug abuse. After many years he cleaned up his act, met a fine young lady and stayed sober for 5 years. Then he went bad, his Father and I both tried to help him but he chose to lead a life that we can't deal with. The last episode is that his Father told him that he would get him an apartment, pay for it for 6 months as long as he kept a job. He refused the offer. Since then I have e-mailed him and told him that I was disappointed in his decision.  I also e-mailed his Father and told him that as soon as our son ran out of funds he would contact us and tell us that he had made the wrong choice. Sure enough on the day before Thanksgiving my son called me. I asked him where he was living and he told me where ever he could find a place. I know he was looking for an invitation to Thanksgiving dinner. I'm sorry but I couldn't do it. My heart is breaking right now, but I feel I did the right thing. He has to live with his decisions.   Any response?
If you think he's wanting an invitation to dinner--one dinner--maybe you can relent on that. Be up front that you're inviting him to dinner only--and that you are absolutely NOT opening up your wallet or doing anything else to enable him in some way.

I know II'm just a stranger who hasn't even laid eyes on you, much less your family. I'm sure you've been through hell. Perhaps you can test the waters for his entering some kind of rehab program? Or some sort of therapy?

I can't ever imagine being a parent of an ill child. It is probably the most stressful job ever. I don't feel like I could judge the mother on today's show.

I wonder what happened to bring on the relapse. 5 years sounds like a long time. Is he not with the girlfriend anymore?
 
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December 13, 2006, 2:27 pm PST

yes'sum!

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Here's a hearty pat on the back from one Christmas non-enthusiast to another.  I get the same reaction, except for the "not old enough to appreciate the season," since I'm pushing 50.

 

draya001's Top Ten Reasons Why I Hate Christmas

 

10.  I hate Christmas because it is the first big lie parents tell their children.  I know, I know; it's all supposed to be for fun, but I think teaching a child that fantasy is real is detrimental to their mental development and their trust in their parents. 

 

9.  I hate Christmas because if you're not with the Christmas Crowd they will definitely make sure you're against them.

 

8.  I hate Christmas because it has taken an honest (however much misguided, in my opinion) sentiment and turned it into a three month long commercial.

 

7.  I hate Christmas because Salvation Army beggars wielding bells like weapons make entering any and every store a torment.  When I was a kid, they used to sing carols and play music, which was not annoying and rather pleasant.  Now they hire derelicts who throw sarcasm, curses and spit, just because I quietly passed them by.  The Salvation Army is a charitable organization, and they do good things.  If their kettle contributions are pretty thin, they ought to consider why.

 

6.  I hate Christmas because by the time everyone has worn themselves out jumping through all the obligatory hoops, no one can enjoy it.

 

5.  I hate Christmas because every year the most beautiful 70-foot Norway Spruce in the world gets killed and stuck up to dry and rot in Rockefeller Plaza, along with millions of its lesser cousins throughout the world.

 

4.  I hate the waste of paper and foil.  I hate the mess and the noise.

 

3.  I hate greedy kids who are (in about 30 minutes) completely uninterested in whatever toy they've been screaming about for the last six months.

 

2.  I hate the inevitable family fights.

 

1.  And finally, I hate Christmas because of all the Christians who whine and complain that it isn't about Jesus' birth any more, and who don't have the wit or initiative to read The Bible carefully enough to know that if Jesus ben Joseph did exist, he surely wasn't born in December; or read a history book with enough diligence to realize that what we now know as Christmas was once a pagan holiday called Saturnalia that early Northern European Christians co-opted to increase their numbers.  They tended to have a lot of backsliders around Saturnalia and they wanted to snag them back with another celebration a few days later.  If Jesus did exist, he was a Jew who maintained that he was a man like any other man; he celebrated the rituals any young Rabbi would; and the only time his birthday was anything much special was his Bar Mitzvah.  Jesus was a teacher with a message, and although I'm not a Christian (or even a Jew) I think he would be disturbed to find what we've made of his message.  He repeatedly cautioned us not to think of him as a god, because he wanted us to know that we are all God's children, and all humans can attain grace -- a very good message no matter what its source.  If you're going to be a Christian, do it right and quit whining about it.

 

'nuff said

 Whoa, girlfriend! What a concise and well-composed post. I agree with you on many points, even though I personally don't hate Christmas. I actually rather enjoy it--to a certain extent, minus the icky commercialism.

Your item 1 is duly noted. I get the impression from reading various posts on this board that a big chunk of Dr. Phil viewers are Christians.

Please, Christians out there reading this, do not take too much offense to the lady's point 1. But she is right that Christians have co-opted a pagan ritual as their own, so you can't lay claim on this holiday and proclaim while looking down on us "others" that "Jesus is the reason for the season." If anything, Easter seems like it has much more relevance and importance to Christianity, since that event is a celebration of his suffering, sacrifice, and resurrection--if you are a Christian and believe in that, of course.


 
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December 14, 2006, 10:46 am PST

she's doing the moping, not him

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 Dear Dr Phil,

The woman who was ruining Christmas segment really distressed me.  Yes, I agree that she was ruining things for her whole family, but wasn't it you who said that unless and until a person FEELS that the other person is REALLY sorry for what they have done, she will never really get over feeling hurt?  Sure, the guy was a blockhead and got her something she didn't really want, but I think it was more than just the gift issue.  I think WHAT he gave her to her represented HIS lack of forethought, insight into her personality, and just plain poor taste.  (I know, I know, "it's not about the gift"), but in this case unfortunately, I think it was.  It was their first Christmas together (correct me if I'm wrong on that), she wanted her caring, sensitive husband to get her a caring and thoughtful gift.  Instead he shows up with something that is clearly "less than" and she got her feelings hurt.  To add insult to injury, the next year HE refuses to buy her anything, so in my book it is HE who started this awful ball rolling, and has perpetuated it ever since. 

Like the puppeteer pulling her strings and sitting back and acting like he has NO idea WHY she could possibly be acting this way!!  Ugh! 

And your take on it was to tell HER to get over herself!  I agree something needs to be done, but I think a heartfelt apology from blockhead husband is the 1st step on this road to recovery.  A bit of sensitivity training on his part seems to be the order of the day in MY book! 

Yes, she clearly has carried this all to the extreme and SHE needs to apologize to her family and work to make things right by them, but they also must have empathy for her at how deeply her wounds have gone in order for her to be willing to actively carry on this way for all these years.  I feel for her because it seems to me that no one is really getting how much this has hurt her too all these years.  Telling her to "get over herself" doesn't seem to be the right salve in my book. 

I think starting the show off by having blockhead husband apologize for his insensitivities, then giving her the floor to explain her sadness as how it made her feel, would have been a good start.  He just seems to be a good ol' boy who has no clue what a woman needs, and too many of these guys get away with this crap and then wonder why their wives are unhappy for so many years.  Obviously, the fact that they have been together for all these years says either A) she is a martyr and likes the misery, or B) he has enough other GOOD qualities to make up for his occasional lapses in judgment.  Either way, I still think he is the one who started this whole mess by being a jerk when she returned something he bought her, and then not being willing to get her anything else the following year.  Some people are just hard to buy for . . . not because of the gift, but what the gift REPRESENTS to them, namely that someone "cared enough to give the very best" whatever that very best would be in their book.  And I'm not talking about spending a lot of money, I'm talking about buy or making a gift that says "I know you".  I know your tastes, I know what you like, I know who you are, I care enough to give YOU something YOU would like.  This guy clearly missed the boat on his gift giving skills.  Might as well have been buying the gift for HIS mother rather than his wife. 

This story hits pretty close to home for me because my own husband bought ME a cast iron frying pan that was so heavy I couldn't lift it with both hands EMPTY!!  If I could have, I think I would have bopped him over the head with it.  I'm not his mother, I didn't WANT a frying pan, or at least NOT for a Christmas present.  See, if he'd have had proper training in the art of pleasing a woman, he'd have learned that most women don't want anything that A) plugs in, or B) has anything to do with the kitchen!  Not all women, I'm sure there are some who would love a blender or new mixer, etc.  But most would prefer something personal like perfume, clothes, jewelry, etc. 

Sure this guy got her clothes, but if you listened to her, she clearly states that NOW she would wear them, but back then they were something her MOTHER would wear.  This guy either didn't know her taste which says he isn't paying attention, or just plain HAS no taste in which case she's lucky she didn't get a redneck singing fish!! 

All I know is, I think the way this segment was presented really made her out to be very insensitive to her family, when in truth the husband has been insensitive to his wife's hurts from the first year and then perpetuated it so that he has rubbed her nose in it and stood back looking like the innocent bystander.  I think his lack of caring causes this rift in the first place, and I think he should apologize to her sincerely and then HELP her get over it by buying her something special to her and presenting it to her IN FRONT of her family with another apology. 

I think in the end the outcome was good, but the way it was presented made me hurt for her because she was made to look like the insensitive one, when in fact it has been he who has been insensitive to her all these years.  Nuff said!!
I don't agree with you.

First, 20-something minutes of airtime is not enough data to truly represent whether or not the husband is an insensitive jerk, as you say. But based on the data we--the viewers-were presented with, it's the woman who came off as being an insensitive jerk.

Just because he has a southern accent, then he's a good ole boy? Didn't you see the way the camera captured him asking his wife if the could hang this-and-that up, decorate the tree, etc? Don't you think that by the sheer fact that he's stood by this woman who's pouted over something that did not go her way over a quarter of a century shows what kind of man he is? Wasn't she the one who said that every Christmas, she thinks about leaving her husband because he's trying to "force" Christmas on her? I can think of a lot more traumatic reasons why women want to leave their husbands.

Men are often clueless about what their women want. Communication is tantamount to a relationship, so if one person's clueless, then the other person should articulate wants and needs in no uncertain terms. Unfortunately, with men, this is often necessary, until we women inculcate them with our rigorous training (hazing) programs about what we want and need! :)

I am sorry your husband gave you an iron skillet. That is not a very romantic gift, and he really should have asked you what you wanted beforehand. BUT, I do believe that our society, since it's very capitalistic, teaches women that men should demonstrate how much they love their wives/girlfriends with material things. To some extent, okay, that's true. But I know I'd be thrilled if my fiance said he'd weed and prune my flower beds for three months, rather than get jewelry. My fiance gave me a very small engagement ring--but the fact that he planned the trip to take me up to a beautiful spot with a breathtaking view to propose, along with the lunch and wine, made me feel so special.

Men show they care in ways that can be strange to women. It's up to us to perceive those attentions--and graciously appreciate them.
 
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January 2, 2007, 8:02 pm PST

hilarious!

 These guests' fears may have seemed frivolous, but really, it's a refreshing change from the heavyhanded drama that is the normal material for the show.

I'm sorry if I seem insensitive by laughing at these people, but it's not a condescending kind of amusement. I thought the lady hugging Snoopy at the end was especially cute.
 
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January 5, 2007, 1:51 pm PST

she's whiney, but his behavior is still wrong

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As far as this show is concerned....give me a break! If he's been such a creep, then why stay with him? Tammy was whining so much, and most looked fake, that it made me sick! I am not commenting on everyone's situation, just this one! SO, don't go gettin' on me for the way I feel about this particular couple.

She (Tammy) needs a backbone. She had raised a child in this garbage of a relationship and that wasn't negotiable; meaning she should've left him a long time ago. If someone wants to be a rug for their spouse, WHATEVER, but when children come into play, get some dignity and do what's right for that child.

I just think that her whining was simply a sad display for alot of sympathy for a bed she made herself. She can clean it up now, or sit and stay a victim until kingdom comes....it's up to her, but I guarantee she'll still be a whiner no matter the choice.

 In essence I agree with you, but I wouldn't have posed my indictment of her so harshly. The fact that she's whiney and playing the martyr card is part of the relationship's problematic dynamic.

I wish Dr. Phil would have focused more on the relationship, rather than just the husband alone. Both have a share in the problem. Yeah, he needs to stop being a jerk and control his temper. yet she also needs to draw some boundaries. She needs to stop letting herself be victimized.

Wow, just now Dr. Phil took the wife to task. I guess she needed to hear it. Leave it to Dr. Phil to not sugarcoat a wake-up call!
 
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January 9, 2007, 7:29 am PST

Power corrupts

 To comment on this general topic, I trust nobody in law enforcement. This of course is all my anecdotal "data," but all the cops I've known are .just not decent  people. They carry a sense of elitism and think they are better than non-cops, whom they refer to as civilians.

We the civilians should educate ourselves on our rights, and not allow law enforcement to intimidate us.

Look at what's happening in Guantamo Bay: constitutional rights such as due process have been completely obliterated, and many of those inmates are languishing away, not even knowing what they are accused of. Let's not let that progress further.
 
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January 10, 2007, 1:44 pm PST

future 27-year old BIL still lives at home

I will marry my fiance this September. I love his family, and while my fiance is hardworking and independent, his brother is not. My brother-in-law-to-be, I'll call him "Bill," has a potentially deadly health condition, and perhaps that's why his parents enable and coddle him. Bill does not work, has not gone to school, and won't even drive to my fiance's house to have dinner (he says he's afraid to drive). All that he does is stay at home. My fiance complains about it all the time, and can't believe the lengths that his parents have gone to to keep their child so dependent and dysfunctional.

I like Bill, yet he definitely lacks social and life skills--he seems to have the emotional maturity of a 17-year old, and the appearance of one, too--and I'm afraid that when my future in-laws are too infirm to take care of him--they're in their late 50's, early 60's--Bill will then become our dependent.

What to do in this case? I have told my fiance that he really needs to speak with his parents about what will happen to Bill in the event of their unexpected deaths (knock on wood and God forbid), or in the event of their natural deaths in old age. I have told my fiance that he should recommend his parents seek counseling on how to deal with this situation, because I know his mother is not happy with it. Yet, I cannot state my opinion on this matter; I am certain that if I did, I would cause a rift between me and my future in-laws. They are good people, but old-fashioned people, and don't believe in therapy or counseling.

Any advice?
 
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January 11, 2007, 1:24 pm PST

did you watch the show?

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On the show the so called mega moochers were accepting money and housing from people who wanted to give it to them.  How can these parents and grandparents blame the person they are giving money etc to?  I learned a long time ago that when someone offers you something that if you accept it then there is no reason to feel ashamed.  Noone is making those people give to these people, they do if of their own free will.  I think the show should have been about how these people can't stop giving away their money etc to thieir kids.  Why do they do that if it is going to hurt them?

Also the woman with the son with the bad back seemed to show absolutely no sympathy for his condition.  Also she changed her mind about him living there and suddenly decided that he and his entire family had to leave right then.  This is the utmost of selfishness.  If she wanted him out she should have had some consideration and given them notice and time to find another place.  Him saying they would be homeless was no threat it was the truth!

I have NO sympathy for these parents.  If they are unable to say no to their kids it's their own fault what happens.  And the woman on the show who was crying was a really something!  She was trying to throw his and his families belongings in the trash...she deserves what she got.  I don't think he likes his mother very much and I have to say I agree with his assessment of her.  She's a nasty woman.  She should not have had them come to her house without a written contract of when she wanted them out etc.  And if he never takes his kids around her again I wouldn't blame him one bit.

If they have to become homeless it's not her problem.  People have to live their own lives.  Her son sounds like he should be on disability.  Why not blame our broken system that won't help those in need when they need it instead?
Didn't you hear the mother say that she gave him ample notice to move out?

I have seen people post that it's all the parents' fault for raising these children this way--BUT, there comes a time--especially for a 33-year old--that he must take responsibility for himself. Coddled while growing up or not!

He's responsible for living there for a year and a half without finding gainful employment. He's responsible for getting his girlfriend pregnant and having a child--and without any income to support the now very large family of five! Even on my income as a software engineer, I'd be stressed about money constantly if I had three kids.

How about the son having sympathy for his mother? If he truly had any for her, he'd understand that now in her middle-aged phase of life, she shouldn't work as hard as she did when she was younger, and be able to save for retirement. She didn't exactly look like a spring chicken.

Bad back? Based on what we saw and heard of this guy, his credibility is very dubious. Given his work history--or lack thereof--he is exaggerating the injury. Perhaps he does have back pains. Okay. But I have back pain, and I work! So do many other people. He can stand, he can walk--he can work. If that means a desk job where there's no physical labor and risk for aggravating his injury, so be it.

Where are these moochers' pride and ambition? So what if their families offer money. There is no unseen force guiding their hands to accept the money. It's called FREE WILL. Why don't they use it, and stop blaming their back injuries, others, or anything but themselves?

 

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