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October 25, 2006, 9:07 am PDT

Another bad thing about teachers

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    We have a daughter who teaches kindergarden and lives from pay check to pay check. She is loved by her students, their parents, and staff. I wonder why when we trust our children to the school we don't worry about paying them. Her Supterindent left for a higher paying job and he was doing great things. Some schools seat back and make offers to obtain the better people.

This is another reason I don't send my children to government schools.  Teachers who can't even manage their money think they can educate children?  What's so sad is people claiming throwing more money at a broken system will help.  Maybe your daughter should take a finance planning class.

 
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October 25, 2006, 9:38 pm PDT

teachers are

Quote From: powers009

Teachers are not paid what they deserve in some areas. The lower income areas which have schools don't pay their teachers near as much as the areas where the richer students go. Kindergarten teachers are among some of the lowest paid. There is nothing wrong with a teacher wanting more money. Would you do the same job as another and make significantly less than the other person? Sounds a little discriminatory to me. Why should the rich schools be privy to all the good teachers just because the poorer schools can't afford to compete. Maybe the schools should pay teachers the same salary and raises be contingent upon experience instead of place of employment.

It's really impossible to say that anyone is paid what they deserve.  They are paid a living wage and if they cannot figure out how to budget their money, it just proves that they are unfit for their career.  If you are going to respond to a posting, please respond with something that makes sense.  Your post is totally incongruent to the original.  Makes me wonder if you are one of the many professional teachers who are at best unnecessary and at worst, a hazard to our society.

 
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October 27, 2006, 2:50 pm PDT

Please no more incongruent posts

Quote From: powers009

Incongruent refers to mathematical equations I think the term you was looking for is incoherent. With your reasoning no matter what someone makes they should be able to live off of what they make no matter how little they are paid. Teachers deserve more pay as do other professionals such as police. I am not oblivious to the needs of others I know that sometimes it is impossible to live off of a meager salary such as the one that a lot of teachers make. My point was that if all teachers made the same salary and raises was based on experience instead of location than we would have a quality education system.

I was offering a solution rather than another complaint.

Incongruent can apply to mathematics, but not exclusively.  Obviously you missed my point.  Teachers are paid a living wage.  I do not believe everyone is paid a living wage. 

 

It is obnoxious to correct word choice, particularly when one is as ignorant.  And claiming someone wrote something that was never written, is just reprehensible.  You are the type of person who has no business on message boards.

 
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October 28, 2006, 6:16 pm PDT

Get off the message boards if you insist on incongruency and lies

Quote From: powers009

Incongruent refers to mathematical equations I think the term you was looking for is incoherent. With your reasoning no matter what someone makes they should be able to live off of what they make no matter how little they are paid. Teachers deserve more pay as do other professionals such as police. I am not oblivious to the needs of others I know that sometimes it is impossible to live off of a meager salary such as the one that a lot of teachers make. My point was that if all teachers made the same salary and raises was based on experience instead of location than we would have a quality education system.

I was offering a solution rather than another complaint.

Incongruent is not merely a mathematical term, and your suggestion of incoherent would not fit at all.  Perhaps you should consult a dictionary before erroneously correcting a posting.   Your posting is just plain obnoxious, and you are the type of person who should never post on message  boards.  It ruins it for those of us who actually like to discuss/debate issues when people like you come in and claim we wrote things we never wrote.  I don't know if you never read my posts or just don't know how to read, but I'm totally offended by your ignorance and rudeness.
 
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November 19, 2006, 7:35 pm PST

11/24 Great School Debate

Quote From: purplepenny

My husband's Aunt is an "unschooler"...her children are sharply behind when it comes to every subject...I personally find it to be a very irresponsible thing to do. Our society requires education and society benefits from it.  Not everything is learned as a side effect of living. That's ridiculous.

How do you know that they are behind?  Are you somehow testing them? 

 

Unschooling does not mean a lack of education, it is merely a name for a way of learning.

 
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November 19, 2006, 8:12 pm PST

11/24 Great School Debate

Quote From: _marie_

I didn't know what "unschooling" is, so I looked it up on Wikipedia:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unschooling

 

I have raised a child to adulthood...and he would not have learned about US History, World History, Algebra, Geometry, Algebra II, Trig, Calculus, American Lit, English Lit, Philosophy and a whole slough of other subjects via "unschooling".

 

My daughter aspires to be a doc, my son (right now) aspires to be a lawyer...neither of these professions can be learned through unschooling.

 

Also...I think my son wouldn't have made it to his 4 year university via unschooling...the SATs are brutal...and entail more than what can be learned through everyday life.

 

Marie

How do you know what your child would have learned if s/he had been unschooled? 

 

Do you have some kind of time machine for this type of experiment? 

 
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November 19, 2006, 8:14 pm PST

11/24 Great School Debate

Quote From: jesusislord

all kids  need to be in school! they learn the things they need to know and make friends too!!

with unschooling kids learn all the things they need to know and make friends too

 
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November 19, 2006, 8:28 pm PST

11/24 Great School Debate

Quote From: julie1418

I think unschooling makes a lot of people very uncomfortable, as it goes against what conventional wisdom tells us. 

 

You seem to be starting with the assumption that everyone is going to be "uncomfortable"  with your educational methods, and that is making you hostile and defensive. I am not uncomfortable with homeschooling per se, and I don't know enough about "unschooling" to BE uncomfortable with it. Don't make such broad assumptions.

 

Let's start again - I asked you if there you used anything besides your own observations to assess if your children were adequately learning. I guessing the answer is "no." Correct me if I am wrong.

 

So my second question is - and it is not an attack, merely information seeking - what is it that you want your child to know and be able to do once he/she is no longer under your care. Is there a goal? Do you foresee how he/she will be able to support him/herself financially or how he/she will manage in a world where there very well may be deadlines and unpleasant expectations?

This wasn't addressed to me, but I'm jumping in anyway.

 

"a lot of people" isn't "everyone"  This is at least the 2nd time in this thread this has happened.  Complaining to someone about something they didn't write is being assumptive and generally not productive. 

 

I can't answer for the OP, but there are a lot of ways my children are assessed, including annually by a state certified teacher.

 

Unschooling occurs in the world, so there are of course, deadlines and unpleasant experiences.  Not sure about unpleasant expectations, is that a glass half empty thing?

 

Unschooling is basically about learning to learn, in the sense that once you know how to learn something, you can learn whatever it is you want to learn.  And sometimes you want to learn something merely to jump through a hoop of something else you want.  Because that is how life is.  I

 
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November 19, 2006, 8:42 pm PST

11/24 Great School Debate

Quote From: julie1418

I am not looking for satisfaction, I really haven't heard much about "unschooling" so I am trying to understand it better. Honesty works just fine.

 

Let me ask you this, and again - just trying to figure this all out - what is it that you want them to be able to do when they are adults. Somebody posted earlier that they thought their kids would be self-employed and not have to ever worry about working for someone else. So I have to wonder, what if the child decides at some point that he would like to be a doctor, or a lawyer, or an astronaut - how can be sure, or at least reasonably assured, that "unschooling" is going to give him the skills he needs to enter those very tough, very specific, very competitive professions?

 

I know when I was a child, I wanted to work at my grandfather's gas station. Left to my own interest and self-direction, I would have been playing with the cash register and credit card machines all day. It's not that I didn't LEARN anything there (I'm GREAT with a credit card!), but I'm not convinced that would have given me the skills I needed once I matured and had different aspirations.

Unschooling just means that you can decide what you want to learn.  So if you have the aspiration to become a doctor, lawyer, astronaut or whatever, you learn what you need to do in order to follow that dream. 

 

The main skill of unschooling is learning to learn.  Once you understand that, you can go anywhere and do anything.  Basically, the child leads the way, and parents are there to help guide hir toward the information the child seeks.  At some point the child may choose formal education, and that could happen at the college level or before.  For most, if not all career paths, formal education wouldn't be a requirement until the college level.  It just would never be something mandatory for the child. 

 

Hope that helps

 
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November 19, 2006, 10:36 pm PST

unschooled presidents

Quote From: fredastare

Question?

 

Who in your country would vote for an *Unschooled* President, or senator.........or anything???

 

Truly... nation wide, would an unschooled adult be privy to being parlayed into a prestigious position by their peers?  I think not.

 

Fredi

 

 

George Washington
Thomas Jefferson
John Quincy Adams
James Madison
William Henry Harrison
John Tyler
Abraham Lincoln
Theordore Roosevelt
Woodrow Wilson
Franklin Delano Roosevelt

 

All these presidents were unschooled and voted into office.

 

And when was the last time any politician touted their elementary school or highschool education.  I would doubt that you would even know if someone had been unschooled, unless they told you. 

 

Seems like you don't really understand what unschooling is...


 

 

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