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December 14, 2006, 8:27 pm PST

so...

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This is stupid
I am a 15 year old girl and I just want to say that I think that it is so stupid that they are banning thin models.  First of all, thin is what I consider beautiful.  Everyone has their own preference.  I myself am not thin, I am average.  I look at models and I do think oh wow she has a perfect body, but I never think that THAT is how I SHOULD look.  Second, what is all this about it being unhealthy, and lets just have the models be healthy?  Lets not forget the epidemic of OBESITY!  If we are going to ban "too thin" models for being unhealthy, lets just go ahead and ban the PLUS SIZED for being unhealthy too.  Being Obese is not healthy.  That is telling people that it is okay to be fat.  Along with Obesity comes a lot of health issues.  We cannot just point a finger at the thin side and say it is okay to be plus sized (keeping in mind, I am talking about the obese plus sized, just as you say you are talking about the not naturally thin).  Another point is that models are supposed to make the clothes look good.  No one is going to want to buy clothes if they dont look good on the model.  If you dont want to look at that, then why would you want to buy it?  It is for marketing purposes.  Just as anyone wouldnt go to and office job and start stripping on a pole, models dont go to work to have personality.  When  you go to work you go there for  a purpose.  People do not go to office jobs and dance on a pole because they go to get a specific  job done.  Models are considered "walking hangers" AT WORK because that is their job.  An actress's job is to have personality, a models job is to show off the clothes they are wearing.  Models choose their profession.  They are not being forced to do it.  Yes the pressure can cause eating disorders, but guess what, so can stress anywhere else.  My biggest point is just that I cannot believe that anyone could bring health issues into this without bringing the Obese/ Plus Sized side of the story into it.  One side of the country is saying that we are an obese country.  The other side is saying we are too thin.  What is the reality?  Dont just target thin people.  People can judge their own view of beauty, but if health is brought into this, BOTH sides should be addressed. 

 You think heroin addicts are attractive?  Because that's what were talking about.  Read the articles before you criticize...your sn says it all.

 

But youre young and don't know everything.  Maybe they should ban the plus sized models, but then again, being big boned is not illegal, being on Heroin IS.

 

We're NOT debating the point that models should make the clothes look good (although there's NOT much debate over a healthy size 4 and a size 0 coke addict).

 

The media DOES do a LOT of damage, so don't pretend it doesn't exist.

 
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December 14, 2006, 8:39 pm PST

Don't give in...

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this show added to my stress. I have been persuing modeling my whole life. It is the narrow minded people in fashion, like the man on the show,  that just make excusses about how something is "art" to continue their selfishness. I have constantly been worried about  how much I weigh, if my chest or bottom is to big, if I am to short. I been eating less and less each day trying to achieve this image and fufill my dream. I know it isnt healthy but my my dream is so important to me and there is so much pressure on me I continue to try and become "model like."

Dr.Phill if you read this I would like to know how to be ok with myself and not to feel the constant pressure.

  Don't stress it, cortisol from stress stores fat...ha ha ha.

 

Keep eating!  If youre young, you haven't stopped growing yet, don't do damage to your body.  Trust me, it's not worth it!

 

You could do permanent damage to your bones, to your heart, your liver, your brain, and sadly, your metabolism.  The lady on the show starved herself, and now that she's eating again, she can't lose  wt past a certain point because by starving herself, she slowed down her metabolism.

 

Have you thought about another profession, because you can only model for so long until they tell you your too fat and too old.  Then what are you left with?

 

You sound like an intelligent girl, you could do so many things with your life instead of posing for most of it.  If you absolutely have to model, come up with a back up plan, in case you change your mind because dreams are fluid.

 

Point is, don't hurt yourself, you have the power to tell these ppl NO!  And if they don't give you the job, they're missing out. 

 
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December 14, 2006, 9:16 pm PST

banned for health issues...

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'Health has a lot more factors than weight to it.'  Then why are models being banned for health issues?  And I do know what is good for me.  I know a heck of a lot more than you think.  You cannot just go around saying something like that.  Assuming because of my age.  You cannot pass judgement on someone you dont know at all.

 

They are banned b/c they do not meet BMI requirements (19-25) for a HEALTHY weight range.  This is the category we're referring to.

 

The industry sets out an IMAGE, and it's part of corporate responsibility to highlight on women who are healthy.  Promoting drug use is NOT an IMAGE a lot of sponsors want anyway. 

 
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December 15, 2006, 5:17 am PST

no

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But by saying this arent you categorizing all thin people as drug users?

  I'm talking about people who starve themselves and do drugs to look that way.  The two models died b/c they had a BMI of 14 and their hearts stopped.  Read what i'm saying.

 

You can be thin and a size 4 healthily.  But its about IMAGE, that's what i was saying.  If a girl is naturally a size 00, a sponsor wouldn't want that anyway b/c it represents an almost impossible size for a height of 5'10.  It promotes drug use and starvation among ppl that size that are young and impressionable.  Even if the model doesn't do those things, ppl want to emulate an IMAGE of distorted reality.

 
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December 15, 2006, 5:26 am PST

Lol

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"'Health has a lot more factors than weight to it.'  Then why are models being banned for health issues? "

I don't understand what you are asking me. Health isn't about skinny or fat, but they are indeed important factors. So while not all skinny models are unhealthy, not all plus size models are unhealthy...(And none of them are "obese" that has a medical definition.)

I don't mean to insult you about your age. It's hard to make a 15 year old understand this. You are 15, you are what you are. Your brain is not done developing. Your body is not done developing. You don't even have full functioning thumbs yet! LOL Your skull isn't even fully fused yet! LOL

This is all ok, there is nothing wrong with being 15...enjoy it and accept it for what it is. PLEASE...

The bones in your skull don't literally fuse until youre 25 and have stopped growing entirely.

 

Runway models with a BMI of 15 look like walking skeletons.  THAT'S what we have a problem with.  You can die at that BMI, and some ppl already have.  The industry doesn't care about that and pushes and prods ppl to lose every ounce of wt off.  Its cruel to women to make them starve themselves to death for acceptance and plant those seeds in young minds to do the same to be accepted in society.

 
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December 15, 2006, 6:43 am PST

bumfights boycott

Ty Beeson sells his propaganda for abuse against the homeless for $19.95 per DVD and $34 for a sweatshirt. 

 

There isn't a network to write to, but we can start by discouraging sales of assault & battery against human beings down on their luck.  Or if you buy it, start a bonfire and burn it all so its not out there anymore, i just don't want this guy getting rich off it, though.

 

Volunteer at soup kitchens, give to the Salvation Army and Toys 4 Tots, and don't act on what you see.  These ppl just want what everyone wants, to be treated like human beings instead of dogs.

 

 

 
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December 15, 2006, 7:19 am PST

children of addicts

  Children of addicts internalize everything and take it as a personal failure when their parents can't stop.  A lot of times, THEY have to be the parent and take responsibility, which is a lot to ask of a child of ANY age.  They're robbed of childhood and it forms a pattern for who they become later on.  They will never get that back, and they have a huge hill to climb to over come it.

 

But they can overcome the feelings of abandonment and break the pattern.  They can say "I will try with all my being not to slipslope into becoming my parents for the sake of MY children, if not for me".  It isn't an easy thing to do, and their's a lot of genetics involved with how likely you are to have an addictive personality. 

 

But if you look back after you've raised your children in the best environment you know how, you'll have self satisfaction in knowing that you did something not only for your children, but for your great grandchildren, and you've left your imprint and you had a positive impact for other people down the line.

 

 

 
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December 15, 2006, 8:07 am PST

ignorance v education

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I  for one am very interested to know what young people think.

 The 15 year old who said those things has neither the education nor the life experience to really know what she's talking about and make well founded statements.

 

I happen to have both the education, and life experience, which credentials me to talk intelligently about this.  So does Dr. Phil, and look at the stance he takes, he has a degree in psychology.

 

Point is, we care about what the young and misguided have to say in order to educate them on the way the real world works.  It's sad that ppl want to argue for a cruel, destructive industry that plays on self esteem to market things.  The industry must be regulated, hands down, period.

 
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December 15, 2006, 8:45 am PST

The problem w/ your pov

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(a) I'm pretty sure the 16 year old girls who want boob jobs have been introduced to this "option" more by the public around them than by runway models or the media

 

(b) this comment of yours "not all women can achieve... no fat over the waist band..." .... is ABSOLUTELY indicative of how the majority of the American population thinks.  I will correct that statement to the following:

 

NOT ALL WOMEN BOTHER TO ACHIEVE THE NO FAT OVER THE WAISTBAND LEVEL OF THIN.

 

It's easier to ignore it and buy the next size pants instead of exercising a little and cutting out the cookie.

 

It is sooooo easy to become 10 pounds over weight, 15, 20, 25..... and because weight adds on slowly, few bother to do anything about the first 2 pounds, or the first 5.  Then, when it's 10, you have the waistband issue.  If women said, at that point, or at the 2 pound point ... oh my gosh, my clothes are tighter, I better watch my diet today ... I better do a little more exercise -- then they wouldn't HAVE to start buying the next size up.

 

I'm not saying they need to be excessively skinny or unhealthy, but America has made that 10-20-30 pounds overweight the status quo.

 

Mark your size!  Don't let it change over the years just because you're getting older.  Mark your weight.  Don't settle for letting 5 or 10 pounds creep on each year.  Know that you are in charge of your body, your size, and that just because some marketers use plus-size models doesn't mean being plus-size is fine.  SURE, the clothes are available, the models show the clothes, Dove shows the models, but is it really any of our goal to become a plus size?  I doubt it.

 

I don't have a problem "with chunky women"  ... but I do have a problem with so many people saying that thin is not normal.  I'm not saying "skinny" ... just a nice average healthy "thin" ...... but so many of you are saying that chunky should be acceptable, yet on the other hand, you are saying, "real women cannot be thin." 

 

Clearly, we are not going to say chunky is not acceptable, and yes, all women are beautiful, and yes, chunky doesn't mean they don't have value as a person.  BUT, I won't buy it that "chunky" people simply don't have the means to shed the 10-15 extra pounds.  Everyone has the means (again, unless extenuating health issues).

 

The human body is the human body.  You eat more, you gain weight.  You exercise less (or not at all) and you will not be toned.  You eat more and exercise less, you will become unhealthy.

 

Eat a little less....  exercise a little more .... you do the math.

 

Likely, many here who are trying to deem that if they use to be a size 8 and now are a 12, it's okay because they are not officially obese, and now Dove supports their body type.  I will offer a suggestion to that -- barring an extenuating health condition, if you use to be a size 8, you CAN be a size 8 again, but it takes self-discipline.  It takes better dietary choices, it takes adding a little (more) exercise to your daily routine, it just takes admitting that you liked being a size 8 better than you liked being a 12.  If you prefer to stay a size 12 (or whatever size has increased from your past), that's FINE.  Just don't say that dropping a size or two "can't be achieved." 

 

For those of us who don't always have time to exercise, here's just an example of some of the little quirky things I do to "keep moving" .... you can either mock and brush this off .... or you can think about it the next time you're brushing your teeth and smile about it ... and take action --

 

I realized there is "idol" standing around time in my life.  It might be very small chunks of time, but I take the opportunity to do a little toning whenever I can.  For example, when I brush my teeth, I do squats.  Not a heavy duty workout at the bathroom counter, just comfortable litlte knee bends instead of just standing there.  When I'm drying my hair, since this takes more time, I alternate between knee bends and toe lifts (not sure what this "official" exercise of up & down on my toes is called).

 

If I'm standing in the yard waiting for my dog to finish her business so we can go back in the house, I raise one arm at a time and lean and stretch ... good for that waist band issue.  I go back and forth, and even add a step to it sometimes. 

 

Be creative.  There's no right or wrong for these small additions to your idol time, and they definitely make a difference without working up a sweat!

 

"Can't" .... just doesn't fit ... in my book.

As aforementioned, not ALL plus sized models are OBESE.  In fact, not ALL plus sized models are overweight period.  They have bigger builds, and just because they don't have a BMI that's low enough to kill them doesn't mean they're fat at all.

 

You say media isn't an influence, and then you say (and I quote) "Likely, many here who are trying to deem that if they use to be a size 8 and now are a 12, it's okay because they are not officially obese, and now Dove supports their body type."

 

So yeah, you can go the other way too, but what WE'RE discussing is that it's NOT okay for an industry to abuse it's prestige to harm women.

 

Also, you contradict yourself by negating yourself.  You say " barring an extenuating health condition", but then you say that "Can't...just doesnt fit.. in my book", when there are women who REALLY can't.

 
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December 15, 2006, 8:54 am PST

AMEN!!

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First of all  by Real  Women i litterally mean real women as in  an everyday women not conditioned  by the modeling agency. As in dove accepted pictures and printed a calender and adds with everyday women who are not a typical model. I am in no way saying there is anything wrong with being thin or naturally skinny. I am not saying you aren't real if you are thin. Dove also has some naturally thin models. As I said previously this is about accepting all worlds of beauty . I also said this is not just about weight because its not.   I think that dove showing differnt shapes and sizes and ethnicities is a good role model for women and young girls especially. We have to face that our children are part of society and unless a parent locks their child up and they never leave the house, they are going to be exposed to the media and to society in some way and no parent can control that. Don't give me the intilling of values BS. Because my morally grounded family instilled lots in me and the media made an impact on me. IF everywhere you look you see the same type of person in an add/ media or whatever then girls internalize that and think they should be that way.

Also, it seems like you have a real problem with "chunky" women. It seems like you think being over weight is disgusting. You are entitled to your opinion. If you are thin and happy great! but not all women can achieve that  110 pound no fat over the waist band- level of thin.That dosen't mean they aren't beautiful. I also think your comparision of models or people with a pimple or flaw to "damaged goods" furnature is disgusting. People have flaws. Newsflash - that skin cream isn't going to airbrush your face. And unfortunatly we can't airbrush our cellullite while we wear our underwear. ITs embracing the fact that we can' t be perfect and that beauty is a multi-facited image.

I get you enjoy the "ideal " image. I understand that you love the thin look. But if you weighed an extra 50 pounds and you couldn't be the size that you are would you really feel the same way? I don't think you have any consideration for people who don't like the way women are represented in the media.  I once again don't thin you see the point from the other side of the fence. ITs not about being anti thin, anti fat or anti whatever - its about teaching generations of women and girls  to accept themselves and each other as they are by setting an example and a realistic social standard.  THERE ARE 16 year old GIRLS who want BOOB JOBS!! is that not indication  enough is enough??

YES, at least you get it!!!

 There are some shallow ppl out there that need to WAKE UP and realize what's going on from ppl on another pov!

 

There's bone structure, metabolism, height - that factor into size.  Perfection is for a supreme being, not for decaying organic matter like us.  It's just a package, and when you die, it doesn't matter what you looked like.

 

 

 

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