Quote From: gsherry(a) I'm pretty sure the 16 year old girls who want boob jobs have been introduced to this "option" more by the public around them than by runway models or the media
(b) this comment of yours "not all women can achieve... no fat over the waist band..." .... is ABSOLUTELY indicative of how the majority of the American population thinks. I will correct that statement to the following:
NOT ALL WOMEN BOTHER TO ACHIEVE THE NO FAT OVER THE WAISTBAND LEVEL OF THIN.
It's easier to ignore it and buy the next size pants instead of exercising a little and cutting out the cookie.
It is sooooo easy to become 10 pounds over weight, 15, 20, 25..... and because weight adds on slowly, few bother to do anything about the first 2 pounds, or the first 5. Then, when it's 10, you have the waistband issue. If women said, at that point, or at the 2 pound point ... oh my gosh, my clothes are tighter, I better watch my diet today ... I better do a little more exercise -- then they wouldn't HAVE to start buying the next size up.
I'm not saying they need to be excessively skinny or unhealthy, but America has made that 10-20-30 pounds overweight the status quo.
Mark your size! Don't let it change over the years just because you're getting older. Mark your weight. Don't settle for letting 5 or 10 pounds creep on each year. Know that you are in charge of your body, your size, and that just because some marketers use plus-size models doesn't mean being plus-size is fine. SURE, the clothes are available, the models show the clothes, Dove shows the models, but is it really any of our goal to become a plus size? I doubt it.
I don't have a problem "with chunky women" ... but I do have a problem with so many people saying that thin is not normal. I'm not saying "skinny" ... just a nice average healthy "thin" ...... but so many of you are saying that chunky should be acceptable, yet on the other hand, you are saying, "real women cannot be thin."
Clearly, we are not going to say chunky is not acceptable, and yes, all women are beautiful, and yes, chunky doesn't mean they don't have value as a person. BUT, I won't buy it that "chunky" people simply don't have the means to shed the 10-15 extra pounds. Everyone has the means (again, unless extenuating health issues).
The human body is the human body. You eat more, you gain weight. You exercise less (or not at all) and you will not be toned. You eat more and exercise less, you will become unhealthy.
Eat a little less.... exercise a little more .... you do the math.
Likely, many here who are trying to deem that if they use to be a size 8 and now are a 12, it's okay because they are not officially obese, and now Dove supports their body type. I will offer a suggestion to that -- barring an extenuating health condition, if you use to be a size 8, you CAN be a size 8 again, but it takes self-discipline. It takes better dietary choices, it takes adding a little (more) exercise to your daily routine, it just takes admitting that you liked being a size 8 better than you liked being a 12. If you prefer to stay a size 12 (or whatever size has increased from your past), that's FINE. Just don't say that dropping a size or two "can't be achieved."
For those of us who don't always have time to exercise, here's just an example of some of the little quirky things I do to "keep moving" .... you can either mock and brush this off .... or you can think about it the next time you're brushing your teeth and smile about it ... and take action --
I realized there is "idol" standing around time in my life. It might be very small chunks of time, but I take the opportunity to do a little toning whenever I can. For example, when I brush my teeth, I do squats. Not a heavy duty workout at the bathroom counter, just comfortable litlte knee bends instead of just standing there. When I'm drying my hair, since this takes more time, I alternate between knee bends and toe lifts (not sure what this "official" exercise of up & down on my toes is called).
If I'm standing in the yard waiting for my dog to finish her business so we can go back in the house, I raise one arm at a time and lean and stretch ... good for that waist band issue. I go back and forth, and even add a step to it sometimes.
Be creative. There's no right or wrong for these small additions to your idol time, and they definitely make a difference without working up a sweat!
"Can't" .... just doesn't fit ... in my book.
As aforementioned, not ALL plus sized models are OBESE. In fact, not ALL plus sized models are overweight period. They have bigger builds, and just because they don't have a BMI that's low enough to kill them doesn't mean they're fat at all.
You say media isn't an influence, and then you say (and I quote) "Likely, many here who are trying to deem that if they use to be a size 8 and now are a 12, it's okay because they are not officially obese, and now Dove supports their body type."
So yeah, you can go the other way too, but what WE'RE discussing is that it's NOT okay for an industry to abuse it's prestige to harm women.
Also, you contradict yourself by negating yourself. You say " barring an extenuating health condition", but then you say that "Can't...just doesnt fit.. in my book", when there are women who REALLY can't.