Messages By: nnjgirl

Quote From: missjfrommmh

Some responses to you:   "His practice will never again be what it once was, and the Harvard,Ohio State Medical School and UCLA Graduate has fallen from the position of respect  at the top of the pyramid to the ground below"     Well that's true:  His practice will never again be what it was.  But should it?  As for him being prior at the "top of the pyramid" in the respect department:  He was never at the top of the pyramid. Most certainly not in terms of board certified plastic surgeons or peers.  He was a doctor who got on TV shows.  Can you cite me a medical paper published by the ASAPS or ASPS journal venues where he has advanced or significantly contributed to the field of plastic surgery.  What pyramid are you talking about?  The pecking order of docs with PR agents to get them on shows like Oprah?     "He is not obligated or legally-compelled to tell any one what his reason or reason(s) may be for not wishing to do the show,even if his earlier inclinations may have been predisposed favorably toward him wanting  to make an appearance."   Well, he might not be obligated to explain why he can't make it but Dr. Phil is obligated to invite him to participate which he did. He did not show up and Dr. Phil relayed that. Adams had the option of leaving a public statement on his website or elsewhere on the internet.  He could have done that because the patients need to waive their HIPAA rights to be on there talking about him, in which case, he's invited to be on there too or is free to make a public statement if he can't..  As far as I could see, I did not find any statements from Adams. He could have put one on the internet.   Did he leave one somewhere that I may have missed? I'm not impressed with him.  The fact that he could have written out a long response and published on his website explaining his side of the story was something he didn't even do.   His race had nothing to do with it.  As far as the things the media (like the Dr. Phil show) go after is this: Here's a doc who operated on a celeb (well a relative of a celeb), the patient died and it was all over the media.  Firstly, it's all over the media because of the patient being a celeb.  Not because the patient or the doctor were black.  He's already in the lime light for a celebrity death under his hands. He's a public figure with prior media attention already in the public venue of people talking about him.  The rest of the media picks up on that and find other patients of his to show case.  His case is a perfect one for them to cover because he's already in the media as a public figure and with regard to plastic surgery, he's not board certified.  Perfect formula for the media to want to cover: Public figure doctor with celeb death who's not a boarded PS.  His circumstances fit the formula for what the mass media looks for when covering topics of "plastic surgery nightmares".  His being black had nothing to do with it.

Quote From: debkchrn

 

I guess I  need to speak in simpler words...  If one has a surgery and they Have Problems that result

from the surgery  THEN...  Research Wound Care Centers... instead of returning to the surgeon who

did the procedure..

 

I am talking about after the fact.....  No one expects these types of problems after a cosmetic surgery.

and most people who have these procedures have no problems at all. The incisions heal up fine..

 

I'm just trying to get across to the general public that there is Help out there. and no one shouldever feel

they have no other options.

 

This is a reasonable responsibility of the patient to seek help of an experience wound care center

to heal the wounds.  IF I say again IF  you have problems healing.  Because most times the surgeon will not do it.. So if you don't do it then you wind up like the people on this show.

 

What is so hard to understand about that... 

 

 

 

 

 

Quote From: ruby_faye

How dare you blame the victims for this butcher's malpractice!  Get a grip!  He preys on those who have little money (while filling up his wallet) and those who believe in such things as trust.  Especially since this butcher was featured on the Discovery Channel, and on Oprah.  These are well known trusted sources.

Not only that, but the constant talk of the 'ten minutes' consultation!.....did you also hear that she was in contact with the staff for over a year???? 

This butcher is not deserving of the title of 'doctor' by any means!  HOW DARE YOU blame the victims of this monster!!!!

He is an 'alleged' 'doctor', who is supposed to know what the hell he is doing.  And he is an arrogant person (and I use the word 'person' lightly) who belittles and laughs at his own patients when they have a complaint.

As for the guest who 'had no choice' but to return to him.....no, she didn't.....no other surgeon would even consider seeing her....why is that????  Is that her fault too????  Grow up, get a grip, and stop gloryfying monsters!

Quote From: johnknudsen


What the heck are you saying?  Infections make you heal faster?  That makes no sense to me at all, and I'm a pilot for United so I know what I am talking about.   Here in Scottsdale, we know a thing or 2 about cosmetic surgery.  In fact, I used to know one real good.

Quote From: ruby_faye

Your first message about Rachel wa condescending, and that was what I was responding to in my answer to your first post.

 

If people can only get surgury that is within their means, how can they afford yet another extravagant medical bill to correct the DR's mistakes?

 

Jan Adams saw Rachel's previous scar and said there would be no complications, and did not inform her of any possible complications.

 

He is the one who should pay for the disfiguring effects of HIS malpractice.

 

 

Quote From: secondchapter

For one reason or another they refused to see their daugher was in trouble and they didn't appropriately address the problems earlier.  The drug addict mother was probably too much out of it herself all through the years,

 

The "drug addict" mother happens to be my best friend. Janet has been CLEAN AND SOBER since we met back in the late 80's. Janet is a recovering addict, as am I. We addicts tend to be self-absorbed people. She would be the first person to admit it. But never would she be "out of it" to the point of being blind to her daughter's active addiction. I never saw it and I've done this family for 20 years.

 

If Janet's guilty of anything, it's being human. Never once have I ever seen any neglect towards Krista. Addicts are the greatest con-artists and when I found out Krista was using, I was completely shocked. How dare you say "the drug addict mother was out of it herself." Were you there????

Quote From: ozwonk

 I completely agree with everything you said.   Corinna was very obviously shaken and hurt by their accusations and trying to place blame on her instead of realizing their daughter is the one who needs help.  My sympathies are with Corinna.

Quote From: secondchapter

Those tears were not fake. Janet's highly emotional. Always has been. She was an emotional wreck with her daughter's antics.

 

How do YOU know she's addicted to prescription meds? Do you hear what you've said in your post about someone you don' t even KNOW? You saw her for approximately 45 minutes. You have 1) recommended rehab 2) diagnosed addiction 3) assumed her crying wasn't real 4) assumed she was "all about herself" 5) decided she is not clean and sober.

 

Wow. Do you predict lottery numbers too?

Quote From: secondchapter

Well as most of you know message boards tend to be like bad car accidents... you can't look away!

I have read the latest posts about my best friend, Janet. So many of you have commented on her speech, her tears, her "erratic" behavior and once again, having known this woman deeply for 20 years I am going to defend her.

What I am sharing here is with absolute truth and certainty. It comes with knowing this woman inside-out from a 20-year friendship. It comes from spending many weekends at her home with her husband and younger daughter. Since my divorce two years ago, Janet has been an oasis of joy and a welcome reprieve from the daily grind.

Janet is not the reason Krista is an addict. Janet does not get high or drunk. She does not abuse medications that have been prescribed for legitimate illnesses and/or disorders. The flamboyent behavior, the dramatic expressions, the "over-the-top" personality you saw IS Janet, unmedicated. She is over-the-top - I agree. My ex never "got" her. Yes, she's definitely unique. But that DOESN'T mean she is abusing drugs. She is an extremely talented woman who has spent most of her life in theatre. She does voice-overs for radio spots and has a mini-studio in her home where she records her dialogue and sends it to her agent. She is a loving mother to all of her daughters and her newest daughter, a beautiful Golden Retriever she rescued.

Their house is my house. When I'm over there I open the fridge to get a pop. In 20 years I have never seen any beer or alcohol. I've never seen Janet or her husband drink because we met in recovery. It's not a part of their lifestyle. When I spend an evening with the family, her husband drives out to pick us up our favorite dinner. We sit and watch a movie or Dr. Phil reruns *smile* - we scour eBay. We make a run to Starbucks. We go to the Good Will. People - she is NOT getting high!!!

She is eccentric, dramatic, and many people just don't get her. But she is also the funniest person on earth and full of life. You saw a mother at the end of her rope. You saw her daughter, a hardened full-blown addict. You didn't see Krista when she was an innocent child with a pure and gentle soul. Janet saw it, and she's seen that precious soul, her child's light darkened and ripped away by addiction.

I have teenage twin sons - Janet and her husband are their Godparents. My sons love going over to Janet's because it's always fun. Do any of you really think I would drive 35 miles to her home so my sons could witness a stoned "best friend" and Godmother? Yes, Janet has her idiosyncrasies. She can be "out there." But none of the flair for drama or erratic behavior is a consequence of drug abuse. And she certainly can not be blamed for Krista's progressive downfall.

As far as recovering people taking medication, we all have our own opinions. Some 12-step folks are very hard-core and to quote someone's other comment, "can't take Tylenol without getting anxiety." There are those that cross the line even with the best intentions and quickly build their tolerance, ending back where they started from (actually, worse). But alcoholism and depression go hand-in-hand. Some are blessed to have never been in that dark place. I have not been so fortunate, and neither has Janet, and countless others I know in the fellowship. I have been chastized for being on medication. I would like those people who point their finger at me to live in my skin with bipolar disorder, depression, and the occasional panic attack. I was attending 5 meetings a week. I was sponsoring women and was sponsored. Everyday I would wake up, talk to God and "do the next right thing" a million times a day. Throw low self esteem into the mix and I can tell you, "happy, joyous and free" were not making themselves known. It was unbelievably frustrating when I knew I was using every tool from the program available, yet I was not emotionally sober.

I chose to completely stop taking the anti-depressants and the anti-anxiety medication, Klonopin. I didn't consult my psychiatrist. Within weeks I was at the emergency room with my sponsor by my side. Any time the topic of medication dared to come up in the meetings, 95% of the attendees jumped on the anti-medication bandwagon. Eventually I thought I should never put another anything in my mouth again. I just had to "work the steps." Now I'm not criticizing the A.A. program. But I am very concerned with those who refuse to consider medication an option for SOME people. Like those of us with bipolar disorder, and anxiety so intense it comes out other ways - ways that are not emotionally sober.

I went back on my medication. I would be screwed without it. I believe God gave us doctors and the resources for medication to HELP those of us who need more than the 12 steps. Like anything, medication can be abused. I have gone down that road too. But I know the difference between abusing a prescription drug, and taking a prescription drug as directed to enhance one's sobriety. My medication is one of the tools from my toolbox of recovery. Like the onion, the longer we are removed from our past destructive lifestyle and stay clean, the stuff that had been buried as far back as childhood must come out. We are no longer anesthesizing the pain. For some of us, it comes out as depression, or panic attacks, or mania. I came into the program in 1986. But there was so much damage done over the years, and so much "bad programming" my progress has been a very long journey. Everyday is a day of self-discovery, growth, set-backs, and faith.

I have not done the program perfectly. Two years ago I handed back my 20 year A.A. coin. I was supposed to get my 21 year coin but shared with the people in that meeting that I had relapsed with prescription drugs. Those were NOT the drugs I'm prescribed from my psychiatrist.

Dr. Phil fans and readers of this board - Janet and I are very much alike, and the things I've shared in this post parallel her journey. Janet had a safe built into the wall to keep her RX meds away from Krista. You saw an utterly exhausted woman convinced her daughter is months, weeks away from death. Flying from Chicago to L.A. wasn't easy on her either - she's terrified of flying. Her husband chose not to come with her. He doesn't want to be under the spotlight. He's a wonderful man and though I wish he would have gone, I know him well enough to respect his decision. Her voice IS raspy and I'm betting she was incredibly nervous sitting in that chair in front of millions of viewers.

She doesn't use. She doesn't use. She DOESN'T use. Yes, she's been known to make some bad choices. She can be a bit compulsive. She still battles with low self-confidence. She's also a bit scattered. But she KNOWS this. Sometimes she's even able to laugh at herself. And when I am at my lowest low, she is a ROCK.

This character assasination is wrong. It's inaccurate and it's skewed. I have known Janet for 20 years. You saw her for 45 minutes. I know how she appeared on the show and maybe I'd be chiming in with the criticism if I didn't know her. I'm not saying she's without flaw or blame. But I would ask some of you to reconsider the serious accusations that are absolutely false.

Thanks for reading.