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December 6, 2006, 5:47 pm PST

taking it too far

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 Dr. Phil - I have watched you since you 1st appeared on the Oprah show and have agreed you 99.99% of the time. However during the show "Teacher Troubles" I think you totally missed the point with the Asst Principal who had her personal character assailed by two students on Myspace. Once those boys posted the false personna on the world wide web it ceased to be "just a school issue." It crossed the boundry into the public domain seen by anybody on the planet with a connection to the web. My wife has worked in the local school system for 18 years, and trust me, there is nothing in their "rules" that would bring justice for this poor woman. Those boys and their parents deserve exactly what the justice system will deal out. And maybe, just maybe, it will serve as a deterrent to other students and possibly an example to parents who don't care enough to be involved in what their kids are doing at school.
Dr. Phil had this exactly right. Yes, the boys were wrong for what they did but the Asst Principal was taking it too far with suing them. Their parents are the one's suffering, not the boys. Parents cannot know what their kids are doing all the time. Kids can be very sneaky( i definetly was). So, don't blame the parents. It seems to be like the Asst. Principal just wants to get as much easy money as she can for this. Money can never solve the problem. She has to understand that they were just being kids. They didn't realize the kind of effect it would cause. That's why the judicial system trials minors differently than adults. And that is what she needs to do. Not ruin a child's entire life just because of one mistake as a child. That will be on his permanent record forever and it will be very hard for him to find work. The punishment way exceeds the crime. She needs to get off her high horse and stop acting like her entire life is ruined. She doesn't deserve not one single penny from them and I hope that she loses her case.
 
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December 6, 2006, 5:53 pm PST

12/06 Teacher Troubles

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Anna sees dollar signs. If she could get past her own bitterness she would see that by labeling that child a felon she is stealing his entire future from him for something that people would forget about in five minutes if she quit stoking the fire. How can someone who has supposedly devoted their career to giving kids a better life be so willing to take this childs future from him because of a juvenile prank? Yes, it was horrible and wrong but let it go. I rarely comment but she made me see red because of her useless need for vengeance.
I couldn't have said it bettter myself
 
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December 6, 2006, 6:06 pm PST

12/06 Teacher Troubles

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I think Dr. Phil was hard on Anna the AP whose identity was stolen and defamed!  Good grief it was just a week or so ago I watched a program where some people where stealing Dr. Phil's identity.  He was mad, and stated there would be legal action.  Yet when this AP takes these thugs to court, he ask, why not solve it within the school system. The school administrators are beholden to the parents within their districts, they are not going to ruffle the feathers of the community that gives them a pay check!  In my opinion Dr. Phil showed he is too far removed from real life.  Geeze, what fairy land is he living in????  Kids today are responsible for the majority of crime committed.  The only way to get people to remotely sit up and pay attention is to hit their pocket book.  My father was in the military, and from my earliest memories my parents taught me that my actions reflected on my father and his career, and if I did anything wrong, my father would be held responsible.  No one teaches their kids this today, because it simply isn't true.  I think OJ proved that in this country your above the law if your rich enough.  These kids that did this should be held up as examples and punished to the full extent of the law.  And Yes, this AP needs money now, perhaps to send her kids to schools out of the area, or to relocate, or to hire body guards and security that only rich people, like Dr. Phil can afford.

If I was on the jury, based on the information provided I would award her 5 million dollars, and yes, let those parents and students know that they are going to work the rest of their lives  for what they did. More important send a message to the rest of the country that parents are responsible for the actions of their children.   I have a friend who moved to Hong Kong, (because there aren't any jobs here any more) and she stated that for the millions of people living in such a small area crime is very low.  She used the example that if your windows are tinted too dark here in the U.S. a person may get a fine/ticket.  In Hong Kong the police take their clubs and bust all the windows of the vehicle out!  That happens to one person, and others find out, no one breaks the law and tints the windows too dark anymore!  Every action a consequence.  Kids today are not taught that anymore.  Just watch shows like Super Nanny or Nanny 911.  Our country is raising a generation of delinquents!  I appreciate that Dr. Phil did this show, but to judge this woman for taking legal action, really made me think he doesn't have a clue about how the current education system is set up and run in this country.  Oh, and yes it varies from county to county.  However, still respect Dr. Phil.  Just rare that I don't agree with him.

They were adults not kids, completely different
 
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December 6, 2006, 6:43 pm PST

12/06 Teacher Troubles

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 First of all, this will not be "easy money." She has to pay her attorney ongoing fees and the case could take years before it is resolved. And she could lose! Or she could end up settling for a small amount, or if it goes to a jury trial, she could get a judgment smaller than what she has spent. Lawsuits are always a gamble.  The jury could feel like you do, that it's not such a big deal and it's a "boys will be boys" thing. Secondly, contrary to what Dr. Phil whined about, the boys will not have to be ruined for life, if they are indeed convicted of a felony (and that's a big IF, assuming they have good lawyers). When they are 21, they can petition the court to have their records expunged. There will be no longlasting effects of this episode if they have the right legal help. It's not the horrible life-ending nightmare Dr. Phil made it out to be. And third, if this is their first offense, it is highly unlikely they will serve any time. They will get a slap on the wrist. Probably probation. So they can get off their high horses and stop acting like their lives are ruined, okay?

The fact is that monetary damages are the only thing you can sue for in our legal system. That's just the way it is. You can't sue for them to apologize or feel bad, or walk through the streets of town with their heads hung in shame. So they have to pay. And if their parents pay, then maybe the children don't get a new car or a they have to go to a state college instead of a private school.

I'm really so over Dr. Phil's argument about how their brains aren't finished growing. Ten-year-olds know about right and wrong. Eight-year olds know the difference between the truth and a lie. Sure, teenagers can't see the consequences of their actions, as in predicting a lawsuit, but they should already have compassion and a sense of justice and morals. Dr. Phil is giving them a pass that they just don't deserve. He blew it this time. I'm ashamed of him.


I have to disagree with you that their records will be expunged. when my best friend was 16 he did a really stupid thing and bashed car windows in at a junk yard. It was his first offense and he got 1 year of house arrest and was expelled from school. He only now has his GED. When he turned 21 he tried to get his record cleaned and he couldn't do it. He wanted to join the military but he couldn't because of his record. He can't even serve his country because of that. He is now 24 years old and it's still on his record.
 
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December 6, 2006, 7:11 pm PST

ever heard of peer pressure?

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...about your friend.  Its too bad that he couldn't get things changed.  I hope he can be able to move on and make a life.  With his experience I bet he can be of real great help to some young person looking for adventure in the wrong places.  However, as sad as it was and is, he was 16, and unless he was totally neglected, never watched tv, read, or interacted with other people, he had to have had some sense of right and wrong, choice and consequence.  Even when a 16 year old cannot judge the future extent of his actions, he can know that what he may be doing is not good, not right and will most likely lead to trouble. Sooner or later, everyone gets caught.   All the more reason we should be making the best efforts we can to teach our children from their earliest age, and if we let time pass, never mind, start where you are at.  Make time to talk, and share all that you know that will be of help them to be good people.  We have to be interested, truly interested in our childrens' welfare.  They come to us as a blank slate upon which we write with them, how their futures will be.  We are after all, from their birth, prepareing them to leave us and face the world. 
haven't you ever did anything as a teenager that you knew was wrong but did it anyway ?
 
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December 6, 2006, 7:33 pm PST

12/06 Teacher Troubles

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You cannot put a bandaid on a gash to stop the bleeding! Money does not cure everything. What has the child learned except that his parents are very mad at him! He will probably feel anger at losing privilages and not have any empathy toward the principal or regret for his infraction. It is terrible what happened to Ms.Drake and her family, but money will NOT heal them! This is an opportunity for learning (teaching from Ms. Drake) understanding, healing and forgiveness.

 

This will affect the lives of another family financially and everyone will loose.

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December 18, 2006, 6:13 pm PST

12/18 How Are They Now?

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Terrie IS just lazy! My mother and I have G and H cups respectively. We are both stay-at-home moms who manage to scrub toilets and fold much more than 3 loads of laundry at a time.  Terrie was just trying to find an excuse for laziness. Large breasts run in our family, and all the females in my family have done just fine doing our housework.

You don't know that she is lazy. she could actually be in pain. My mom is a E and she perfectly fine, but my husband's aunt was also a E and she had to have a breast reduction because they killed her back. All women are built differently. Some can handle it some can't

 
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December 19, 2006, 6:02 pm PST

12/19 Generation Rx

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I can't believe that you said pot and mushrooms should be legalized..How dare you even encourage kids to do drugs..I am a drug addict and alcoholic. I will take just about anything just to get high or drunk..I also have an eating disorder and self-harmer. I been dealing with these issues since I have been a teen. I get clean for awhile. Then start back up. I am now 40. I know what I do could kill me, but I continue to do it anyway. It saddens me to see kids follwing my steps..I just want to go into the TV screen and shake some sense into these kids. I want to say wake up..look at what you are doing...I have done so many things that I am so very ashamed of because of my addictions. Yet, I will do almost anything to get something to get high...If you are parent do whatever you need to do get your son or daughter off drugs..I was a straight A student even though I was often high. I only got into trouble with the police one time and that was for drinking. Yet, I stole from stores and other things..I am a Christian and some people would be shocked in my church if they really knew the truth. I am now attending an addiction program at my church. However, I know that truthfuly that I am going to need inpatient treatment..However, I have children and one child is disabled. My parents health is poor and my mom may die anytime now. I have noone that will or can watch my kids or take care of my parents. Then rehab is very very expensive. I have a friend that just went in and it is going to cost her about $5,000 and she is getting help from the state to pay for her rehab. My husband makes too much money for any finacial help. Then we have so many medical bills because of the kids espeically our disable child..We just can not afford for me to go into any treatment..  I am very good at lying, making excuses, and deceiving people.I even got in a car accident about 6 months which was most likely because I was high. The cop gave me a ticket and let me drive away. I so much want to stop, but can't. The  drugs and my other issues totally control my life. I so wished I could stop these kids from doing what I have done with my life..

You do not make any sense at all. if you know that you have a problem and you need treatment, then don't worry about the money. If you get the help you need and you're able to stay sober, it'll be worth all the money in the world. Besides, if you've been doin drugs since you were a teen, then you've already spent way more than $5.000. And so what if you'll be in rehab for 6 months. At least afterward you'll be sober and be able to live a full and happy life. your kids need you to be sober so you can be a real mother.

My husbands cousin has pretty much lost her son because of drugs and he's not even 2 years old yet. To make a long story short, he was neglected for the first 3 months of his life. He wasn't fed or bathed and had unneccessary accidents. The last accident he got burnt across his eye what we believe was a crack pipe. They brought him to the hospital and the nurses there told them that child services may get involved if things like this continue. So, they asked her aunt to take him for awhile until they straightened up their lives. They signed over temporary custody for a year. Within that year they still continued with their lives without even trying to change. They ended up splitting up so then the father filed a law suit to get full custody. It is still going on and he may even win. But he's still doing drugs, doesn't visit or call to check up on his son, has 2 other kids that he neglects with another one on the way, is abusive and violent and doesn't deserve any child. The few times he does see his son he screams and cries(the baby) because he is scared of him. A phychiatrist has said that he is terrified of him. and the courts are still considering giving him custody just because they like to see biological parents and children reuniting. It is so ridiculous and i'm disgusted with the whole situation

 
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December 19, 2006, 6:25 pm PST

Good for you

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I understand what these kids are going through when I was 15 I had an overdose on coricedin I took 16 pills and my mom had to take me to the emergency room.  The doctor told me that If I would have taken 1 more I could have had a heart attack.  I thought I was dying I called my friend and told her that I was dying and I was just telling her bye.  She hung up with me and called my mom.  She then took me to the emergency room.  I didn't take anymore of those but I did do other drugs.  When I got arrested for possesion of marijuana they had put me on diversion.  And I am so thankful that I got put on diversion it saved my life.  Now I am 22 and a mother of two and a wife so there is hope.

That's awesome. I'm proud of you!
 
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January 18, 2007, 4:36 pm PST

01/18 Mr. Wrong

I just wanted to post my opinion about the story with Kelly and Heather. I think that Heather may be a good mother if she wasn't with Earl. It seems to me that she is brainwashed. She is so scared of living her life without Earl that she will do, or put up with, wahtever she has to to keep him around. Not really even realizing that she is putting her kids in danger. So, the children need to stay right where they are until Heather decides to leave Earl for good and get some help for herself.
 

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