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April 20, 2006, 8:40 pm PDT

04/20 "I Love Myself!"

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It is clear to me that all y'all have forgotten that this problem PRE-DATES the step mother.  Shannon's biological mother found Shannon's behavior to be a problem too.   And Shannon's sister is also upset about Shannon's behavior, having her feelings hurt many times.  This says something about Shannon herself.  I could see that the whole family was frustrated with the situation and maybe over reactly because of it.  But, because the biological mother thought Shannon was out of control too, just maybe Shannon is out of control!  I hope this family can find some peace with each other but please don't think that Shannon is a saint and her parents and sister are mistreating her.  I think that Shannon is 85% at fault - being a teenage 1st and a brat second - which, of course, is redundant.   

  

Wow I bet you would make a nice understanding parent . People who are hard on teenagers are exercising prejudice. I think more people need to be understanding of teenagers. Weren't you one once? Is that how you were treated? Have you walked in this kid's shoes. Or are you one of those people who only thinks of themself? The father does an awful lot of blaming but seems to completely lack self-perspective. People who point fingers at others without having the ability to look at their own faults are chicken#@$%^&&*
 
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April 21, 2006, 8:55 am PDT

04/20 "I Love Myself!"

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If you'll notice, the e-mails that are so mean against Shannon say essentially the same words.  I believe it is Hilary, using different computers, or names to get her venom spewed out.  It that is a true therapist, then she is so messed up, that she'd better see a therapist--soon.  Give it up Hilary, you'll not convince America or anyone who saw that show that you are a very nice person.  You may not have been born evil, but sounds like the Devil got a hold of you lately!  Your'e the one that better pray for your own soul.  Shame on you. SHAME SHAME SHAME.

I would have to say I agree with you, because there's no way a real therapist could be so DUMB!!!!  

 
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April 21, 2006, 8:59 am PDT

04/20 "I Love Myself!"

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YOU COULDN'T BE MORE RIGHT... 

Where's your personal accountability in all of this? And why does everyone keep grouping Shannon in the same category as their screwed up kid? This isn't one size fits all.  Parents who think their kids are victimizing them really need to look at their own accountability in all of this.
 
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April 21, 2006, 9:00 am PDT

04/20 "I Love Myself!"

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I have to admit that I was impressed by dad's ability to sit upright.....I always thought that upright posture required a spine.
Yeah, I think those people just fell off the turnip truck.
 
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May 8, 2006, 4:34 pm PDT

05/08 A Mother’s Rage

Quote From: hondachip

I feel so sad for these children and I hope you do something to help them. They can not saty in that house one more day,I can't believe anyone would do that to a child or anyone as far as that goes

What really frightens me is that these kids will go home and their parents will use everything they said against them and then justify their next beating with it. I grew up in the same situation. As I watched that mother out of control I felt like I had just stepped back in time. My mother was nuts and used to brutilize us. I remember people actually thought she was this wonderful nice person because she had a totally different voice and manuerism for people who weren't her children. Yes, she could turn it off and on like a faucet. There were 4 of us and I was the oldest girl. Usually my brother and I bore most of the brunt. We were physically, mentally and emotionally abused. I remember my mom rubbing feces in my brothers face when he was 5. And one time she made me sleep in my sisters vomit all night when I was 11. She scared me so bad when I was a kid. I don't think anyone ever understands how this feels unless they have lived through it. I still suffer alot of post traumatic stress over this stuff. I have huge trust issues with people. As I watched that tape today I cried and I shook. It really freaked me out. I have had lots and lots of counseling, but even with that watching that stuff can still elicit a huge fear response from me. I guess the thing I could never figure out was why? Why would you hurt an inocent child? The other thing, the dad has his head up his denial rump, my dad was the same way, why, because he was a weak man just like that guy on the show. Too, lazy to step up to the plate and wear the daddy pants. 

 
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May 9, 2006, 12:08 pm PDT

05/08 A Mother’s Rage

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I walked your shoes, in many ways we could be the same person.  I hated my parents, especially my mother and found that all it did was make me much more like her.  I finally forgave her, didn't say I will ever forget but I forgave.  I was able to release my pain, fear and I was able to heal.  When I told her I forgave her she cried and we now have a good relationship, it isnt the relationship I have with my children but it is a good one.  Look for the good that your painfu past can bring.  I work with children who are abused, I can understand their pain and help reach them in ways no one else can.  You can be a mentor to some young person who is also crying out in fear and pain.  If there is a reason why, it could just their own pain crying out to hurt because maybe in hurting others they are actually hurting the person(s) who hurt them. God Bless you and be strong.
Thank-you for your inspiring message and God bless you too. I think my biggest problem with my parents, especially mom is just that. Sometimes I think I have forgiven, but then my mother does something cruel so it's hard. I have been through lots of counseling, Adult children of alcoholics, counseling with counselors, three clergy people and 3 support groups. Maybe my biggest problem is me. My mother is the kind of person, who, if I told her I forgave her would get angry with me because she denies, everything she did and does today. I have tried to distance myself from her as much as possible because she can be very vindictive if she isn't in complete control. She pits my brothers and sister against eachother and thrives on chaos. When I have confronted her on this issue she punishes me by talking behind my back and not speaking to me for months. I could go on but am really just wanting to cope and I pray to God that someday I can completely forgive her.  Thank-you for your kind message you are an angel. God bless.
 
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October 7, 2006, 8:01 am PDT

parents please wake up

I think it is so sad when parents can't accept and love their children for the unique and special individuals that God made them to be. When I was a child I was constantly picked on about how fat I was, by my FAT mother. I believe that what that was really about was my moms own insecurities about her weight being projected on to me as a child, because looking back I was a little chubby, but no where as overweight as she was. I believe this mother needs to take a look at her own insecurities and find out why she is projecting this on her daughter. I truly believe if you love yourself enough you will not feel the need to pick on an innocent child. Especially your own child who is vulnerable to your influence. What she is doing, and has done to her daughter is set her up to be "not good enough" for the rest of her life (unless she gets some help). I pray that you can see what you are doing mom because you are going to have to live with the consequences of watching your daughter destroy herself because she wasn't good enough for her own Mom, the one who is supposed to love her unconditionally, so how will she ever be good enough for anyone else. Trust me even with lots of therapy and good counseling that's a message that's pretty hard to get rid of.
 
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January 13, 2007, 7:20 am PST

You don't have to be a victim

I used to love loser guys, I was cheated on, beaten up, degraded, humiliated and used. Then one day when I decided enough was enough I went to therapy, best thing I ever did. I found out that I was just repeating my pattern of what I thought was acceptable treatment because that's how my parents treated me. My mom was crazy and hurt me physically, emotionally and spirtitually, she beat me when she had a bad day at work, or was mad at my alcoholic father, she spit on me she told me I was a piece of  you know what and degraded me in front of people in some pretty horrible ways. My father told me many times he didn't like me because I looked like my mom. I had no support from anyone growing up cause the rest of my family was nuts as well. It has taken my a long time in therapy, as well as other support groups but it was so worth it, I am now in school completing my bachelors degree in nursing, and I am married to a man who treats me like a queen. My kids are doing much better and leading good and decent lives- I am very proud of them.  I thank God for good counseling and now have healthier friends as well ( I used to attract sick friends as well) LIFE IS GOOD- so what I am saying is just because we have people who are clueless about how to raise us, and lack consciences as to what they are doing to their children, we don't have to keep repeating history-Pray to God for the courage and willingness to change and I know he will help-God could and he would if he were sought-Be brave and break that awful cycle in your family it is so worth it I have a life I never knew I could have and no longer have to be a victim of this life - I am a participant. In my nursing practice I am hoping to give back to others the way I have been given to in my recovery--Peace to you my friends and may God bless you on this journey of life-signed-Happily ever after
 
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January 18, 2007, 2:09 pm PST

01/18 Mr. Wrong

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Hi!  I just found out about my niece that is dating a child sex offender.  We had no idea about him before attending an overnight family New Year's Eve party. There were a total of 8 children under the age of 13, the youngest was 3, and none of us, but my niece and her parents knew about him.  She had finally told her parents just before Christmas and he was still allowed to come to our family parties.  What is wrong with people?  I was more upset after I was told and had time to think about it.  How can a person encourage someone like my niece to leave the guy and pursue other interests?  She is 27 years old and has been married once before.  The guy she married ended up being a loser too!  He was skitsophrenic and had gone off the deep end. 

 

I believe people can change, but why give them a chance to hurt my own kids or  my other little nieces or nephews?  I would forever be looking over my shoulder to make sure he wasn't going to do it to them.  I would hate to live this way the rest of my life.

 

I guess I am asking what can I do or say to help her realize this is wrong and she wouldn't be happy living this way either?  Any suggestions?

I have found that people won't change til they're ready too. In my case it was when I woke up one day and couldn't take the pain anymore. It's hard to persuade people to change when they are so bent on destructive behavior. Unfortunatly there are children involved and I guess that I believe our first responsibility is always to protect the children, After all if we don't who will? I wish I had a great solution for you on this one but, I don't or I would have helped many many people. I guess that is why I am not God, I still believe that prayer is a good answer if there is nothing in our human power we can do. As people we can protect our children by keeping them away from those creeps. I guess if it were me and we had family functions with a child molester and I had kids I would tell the rest of the family- that kids safety and well being is first, so if they need to invite Chester the molester to the party I would not go. ( I have taken that stand when verbally abusive relatives have shown up at family functions- I have refused to go). Yeah, I get flack from the relatives who like to guilt and shame you, luckily I have had enough therapy to know what that's all about and I stick to my guns. So good luck to you, maybe you could talk to a professional therapist, or a pastor to help guide you in this situation. In my case I have learned the only person I can change is me. However, sometimes that has changed situations for the better . Take care, and God bless you and your family, my prayers are with you and them- a friend

 
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April 7, 2007, 6:11 am PDT

Breaking the cycle

Wow, I am amazed at the number of responses on the board already this is a hot topic that I believe hits home for alot of people. I remember watching that episode with Karen beating her children and I actually physically shook and cried as I watched it because it triggered memories of my own childhood. My mother was a rageaholic who would go off at the drop of a hat. My father was an alcoholic who would go out at the drop of a hat. I was the oldest daughter of these crazy people raising my 3 siblings. Every day I would come home from school (starting in about the 4th grade and be expected to clean, wash clothes and cook). One time my mom came home early from work and she beat the hell out of me because I didn't start as soon as I got home. I hated her so bad I felt like I was incarcerated. All I dreamed about was leaving. The beatings, the degredation and the humiliation we suffered from her has left emotional scars on all of us. I am the only one in the family who has attended counseling and I have gone to lots and lots of counseling, plus Adult children of alcoholics, AA, and Alanon meetings, also church retreats and numerous visits with mental health professionals I could go on. I guess my point dear Karen (I mean that sincerely) please stop and get some help, you have already done damage but if my parents would have gotten help I would have rejoiced and forgiven them. I do forgive them (not for them but for my own sanity) and that has taken alot of work and sometimes I have had to reforgive them. I am a 40 something year old woman today and am currently getting a bachelors degree in a health profession. It has taken me many years to overcome the hurt and pain inflicted on me and to this day there isn't a day that something doesn't remind me of what happened. I have just developed the tools to deal with it. As for my siblings- they all have chronic illnesses ( that I atribute to the maladaptive coping skills they acquired as children, 2 of them and I as well are alcoholics I am the only one in recovery and one married an abuser like my mom- all of their kids are messed up - drugs, rage or bad relationhships - so you see you don't just effect YOU!!!!!! you are effecting many generations to come and in the end you will be responsible at least in part for ALOT of pain that you afflicted on so many. Do you really want to have that on your conscience? So please stop the cycle before it's too late and make this world a better place, I have faith you can do it let Dr. Phil help you he is such a blessing for our world (I love you Dr. Phil and Robin too) I will be praying for you my dear because I don't think you want to be like this either you just need to find a better way- take care and God bless you and your family.
 

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