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April 4, 2007, 7:32 pm PDT

evidence

Quote From: flrat69

You have a unique slant on this story.  I do think you're dealing with two separate things though.  First is whether or not the man did touch the child improperly.  I saw no evidence that he had and a surprising amount that he had not.  Yet, he will live the rest of his life with this stigma.  The mother should be prosecuted.

 

Second is the mother and the little girl.  I see well what you mean.  It is almost as if the child is secondary to the mother.  How could she stop the counseling? 

 

I do agree with Dr. Phil regarding the kinds of things a child that age is capable of saying.  The concept had probably been introduced to her by the mother as she warned the child of adults doing things they shouldn't.  As an example, let me tell you this.

 

My sister was such a model parent that she and her husband were featured in an article about being parents of the year.  One son, then age three, was walking with my brother in law in a supermarket soon afterward.  Out of the blue (and when a crowd as around, of course) my nephew said very loudly"...I'll be good!  Please don't beat me again!"  Of course my brother in law had never even spanked him.  That didn't keep him from coming up with the phrase though.

 

You sound as if you would or are a great mother.  How on to your principles and don't be surprised by what kids will say. 

You said you saw a surprising amount of evidence that he did not do this. Could you please point that out cause I think I missed that. Beside it just being his word.
 

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April 4, 2007, 8:08 pm PDT

Hate

Quote From: penny_lady

Well, I guess all a disgruntled woman has to do is coach her child to lie about molestation and TA-DA...you've ruined the man you hate.

Do you think that the mother of the 3 year old, hates her step brother?

 

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April 4, 2007, 8:10 pm PDT

Question

Quote From: lady1880s

it's so upsetting for this whole family,.at three, my father molested me, at a young age i wanted to believe that my father wouldn't do anything wrong,(don't we all?)years later when i excepted it, i was able to confront him,he denied it of course .

at 22 ,when my daughter was three he molested her as well.i didn't know until years after his death,she was frighten,even then to tell me,but i do believe her.

what to say in regards to this family.we all have to know and trust  the people in our lives. dose this young man deserve his family's trust? and what about that dear little girl ?is she being lead by her mother and grandmother?is she remembering the right person?

This maybe none of my business, but you did put your story up. I just wonder why you would let your daughter be around your father after what he did to you?

 

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April 5, 2007, 5:42 am PDT

Wrong

Quote From: dast19582003

I could be wrong, but I thought the whole premise of today's show was to get the father and son together again due to this horrible tragedy.  The molestation ITSELF was, I don't want to make light of it, was secondary to what Dr. Phil was trying to do and that was to try to get the Steven Jr. and his Father to work out some kind of solution to their estrangement. 

Sorry but I think you misunderstood, the whole show started with they wanted answers to weather or not Steven Jr molested the young girl cause it was ripping the married of Steven and Pam up. Steven Jr made it about him and his father during the interview before the show.

 

I think its sad that Dr Phil didn't say once that he was concerned about the granddaughter. Like he usually does in these cases, where he focuses on the childs welbeing not anyone else. And he did come across that he cared more about Steven JR and how he was dealing with this then anything else. Steven Jr is an adult, he can take care of himself. It did piss me off that Dr Phil didn't offer help for the family or the little girl. I thought it was a very sad show he put on, and usually I'm no disappointed in his shows. But yesterday I was

 

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April 5, 2007, 5:45 am PDT

Movie watching

Quote From: penny_lady

That's your personal experience only. I have a 3 year old, and my husband and I view porn on occasion and I am a GREAT mother. We never look at it when she's around. It's simply something we enjoy now and then.
I totally agree with you penny. A parent having porn doesn't mean they are bad parents, that they are watching it with the young child around. Plus those comments again that the little girl mad I don't see how should could get it from a porn anyways. If she did view the movie wouldn't she be asking what that was instead of saying Uncle Steven did this and that to me.
 

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April 5, 2007, 5:52 am PDT

Question

Quote From: mws92180

I don't know whether Steven did anything or not, but my problem with this situation is the fact that people are wrongly accused every day for this kind of thing and no one really cares about what happens to them. Like Dr. Phil said at the end of the show, it's better to report an incident and be wrong, than to not report it at all.  I agree with that statement, but what about the people that have to live with the accusations and whatever comes from them for the rest of their lives?  My brother was wrongly accused, put in jail, had his children taken away, nearly sent to prison and there was no evidence that said he was guilty.  Two years later, the child doesn't even remember what she accused him of.  What she recalls happening was not what put him in this mess. With what she remembers, he would have never gone to jail, maybe counseling at the most. The law is a very strange thing sometimes and doesn't make sense.  When accusations are presented, you really are guilty until proven innocent.  People want to point the finger and look up the convicted sexual predators in their area, but  remember when you do, they're not all guilty. The way the system works is you basically have to plead guilty just to keep yourself out of prison and from getting yourself raped and beaten while you're there.  My brother is a very good, moral, honest, Christian man and didn't deserve to be accused of anything inappropriate.  He will live this sentence for the rest of his life and shouldn't have to.  What about him? What about the rest of us.  Accusations don't just hurt the accused.  They hurt everyone.  I understand that children are hurt every day and the people that hurt them should be punished to the fullest, but don't forget that people are wrongly accused and don't deserve the punishment they get.  Don't be so quick to judge and point the finger. If this mess happened to me and my family, it could happen to you!  Children get confused, they forget, they get angry and want to hurt people, they are selfish. There are lots of reasons they make accusations and sometimes they're just wrong.

Do you think its wrong that parents look up sexual predators in there area to know who to keep there child away from?

 

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April 5, 2007, 11:45 am PDT

Odd show

Quote From: ceildh1

I wondered about those allegations as well, then I wondered about the age of the kids when it occurred ( I don't think that was brought up was it ? Or the circumstances involved)  like I said, we DON"T know for sure, but it was the little things from Mom and Grandma that made me wonder, why would the Aunt call the Granmother and tell her, as a Mom myself I would EXPECT to be the first one told, not my mother.

Also, they didn't delve too much into the fact that he alleged ( again one person's word against the other ) his Step-Mother held him down while his father beat him, CPS was called in for that Steven called them himself, just things that made me wonder.

As for the porn, I don't think it makes anyone evil, but why backtrack when the Doc asked about him bragging about a "collection " ?  I thought these were valid questions, but like all TV, leave us begging for more I suppose.

Well the aunt calling her sister up before calling her niece up, I can understand. I most likly would call my sister if I was watching my nieces children just cause I'm closer with my sister in that way and I would let her handle it from there.

 

I thought the show lefts me wondering, nothing was really asked. It was all very stupid. Dr Phil asked Steven JR about what has been said and of course Steven Jr answered NO but nothing explained. I want to know why nothing was explained. Why didn't Dr Phil say explaine this then? Why wasn't the question of how Julia doing now asked? Why five years and now bring this on the Dr Phil show? And what does porn have anything to do with this? And did the mother really have sex in the same bed as her daughter? My God nothing was really asked. 

 

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April 5, 2007, 11:56 am PDT

What was said

Quote From: flrat69

You are a remarkable example of someone with their own agenda.  What show did you watch?  It clearly wasn't the one the rest of us saw.  Your account is almost total fiction submitted for your self-validation.  What three children for example?  Please name them.  Why do you put quotation marks around "he put a cookie on my pee-pee and ate it"?  It was NOT a quote in the show.  Innocent people frequently suffer because of those who choose their own set of "facts".  Do you enjoy it that much?  I think it's sick.
Your right the child didn't say "he put a cookie on my pee-pee and ate it" it was in fact "He put a cookie in my pee-pee and ate it. Sorry children don't make that up. I think you missed some of the show.
 

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April 5, 2007, 12:04 pm PDT

My mistake

it wasn't "he put a cookie in my peepee and ate it" it was actaully (I just looked it back up)

 

“The allegation is, ‘He put a cookie down there and then ate it,’” Dr. Phil continues.

thats a copy from the summery of the show

 

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April 5, 2007, 12:19 pm PDT

Teens and drinking.

Quote From: janefrances

How do you discipline a teen to prevent them from abusing alchohol?? Am I overreacting and do teens need to 'experiment' ? my 13 yr daughter has shown an increasing interest in alchohol (we were just on hloiday and she kept asking for drinks and managed to get some older boys to buy her some) Just found out she and her friends are arranging to take alchohol to parties. and talking as if this a regular thing - "where are you getting yours from?" I found this out by see an MSN message on her phone so I shouldnt have been prying?? How can I talk to her without her shutting down on me for not trusting her. She has always been a sensible girl. They are going to a party tomorrow where they are arranging to do this- should I just turn up and catch them, should I make sure she comes back after the party and smelll her breath, I have tried talking and she just gets abusive. My husband and I have given her a lot of freedom allowing her to stay at friends at the weekend and we always feel she comes back with an attitude - should we reduce this freedom?? How do you draw the boundaries without creating a teenager determined to break them, and retain their love and respect. I truly fear for my daughter and despair at her motives for needing alchohol - she is a bright and beautiful girl. Am I being over reactive and is this just something that will pass....?? Is the only way to remove peer pressure to remove the peers.

No teens do not need to "experiment". Yes they of course will try and do it behind your back cause there teens and they think its cool. Do not assume this will pass, and of course she will get angry cause you are going to stop her fun. But don't let that stop you from protecting your daughter from herself. If she does it behind your back without ever knowing then there is nothing you can do about that. But you did find out and you do know. I wouldn't let her go to that party she is only 13 and if she gets mad at you for looking through her phone tough you pay the bills you pay her way her life is owned by you. I know thats kind of a strict out look on this. But really it will cut her down on doing things like this. And teens always try and break the rules, if grounding doesn't work then take away items like the cell phone, and inform her if she doesn't straighten up with this drinking she may have to wait until she is 18 before she can drive. And don't make idel threats keep to your word. Take away her phone if this continues, or her TV or her computer. Dont be afraid cause the end result you want is a healthy 18 year old that is responsible.

 

I tried to do alot of that growing up. And I did start drinking at a young, the fact that I had to try and do it behind my parents back made it more unlikly I was going to do it. My parents did let me make the choice when I was 17 cause they felt at that age I should know better and I was less then a year away from being 18. My parents would of grounded me at 13 if they found a text message about a party with alcohol.

 

Good Luck

 

 

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