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April 7, 2007, 3:27 am PDT

Saving Grace

Quote From: penny_lady

I was molested as a girl and the man who molested me was allowed back in my life years later.  That choice by my parents has caused me a lot of damage that I am barely now learning to deal with. It caused me to second guess my worth as a human being, caused me to lose trust in my parents...

This man did this, was found guilty, served time and is a registered sex offender. He shouldn't be around ANY children, let alone a victim of his.

Any other parent with this dilemma I'll tell you right now, you will cause your child pain, and yourSELF pain down the line if you let them be with their abuser again.  I don't care if it's family DNA means NOTHING.
Wow this looks like a stressful show they are about to air. But I 100% agree with you, DNA means nothing when something like this has happened. Its not like the grandparents let the kids stay up late, molesting a child is one of a few horrible crimes you can do to a child, and that should never be over looked.
 

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April 7, 2007, 9:31 pm PDT

Most Agree

Its nice to see a board that 99% agrees that letting the grandparents back into this little girls life is a big mistake. And from the preview of the show I don't think Dr Phil will advise on letting them see the grandchild, i'm hoping its more of trying to do a wake up call for these grandparents to stop them from trying to see there granddaughter. Personally I think the parents have been very nice in letting them still breath, I'm not sure if I was to have that will power. I would of been like that man that his daughter told him she was being touched by the neighbor (some old guy) and he went over there with a knife and stabbed him to death. I personally don't think my mind could just let it go, but I have been known to not be a very forgiving person when it comes to this topic.

 

I hope the parents Remember this, they are the parents they control who sees there daughter and who doesn't and they shouldn't feel guilty for telling the grandparents NEVER AGAIN. Even if there is like 1% that disagrees with me so what those people don't matter. Keeping the future (children) safe is whats important.

 

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April 8, 2007, 6:37 am PDT

Lying

Quote From: our4sons

Did your's? What kind of question is that?
Well you posted to a person that wrote a 3 year old doesn't lie about being sexually abused. You said I have 4 boys and 3 years old do lie. That means to me that your boys at the age of 3 would lie about being sexually abused. And my son isn't even 1 years old yet. But no I can for see he wouldn't ever lie about being sexually abused. If he came to me at any age and told me that I would believe him.
 

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April 8, 2007, 6:56 am PDT

In Laws

Quote From: jasminebaby

No they won't.  They will wonder why they were not able to be or do more with their grandparents.

 

Children will follow their parents, who they live with most of the time.

They wil learn to separate what they do with their own family, and what they can do with grandparents.   They will not die from being spoiled or loved from their grandparents.

 

But they will miss out of a lot if they are kept from them.

I think you would agree that having a child being around there mother and grandmother fighting and name calling isn't healthy. Or having to what pick which one you will listen too. As if your grandmother tells you to do something this way but your mother says a different way thats puts pressure on a child to want to please both people they love. Grandparents need to learn how to step back and stop being the parent and controlling. Its okay to offer advice, but to not butt in on actaul raising unless they see harm coming to the child. I agreed with that first woman that said if my MIL wants to act like this then no she cant see my children. Its her kids her rules.

 

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April 8, 2007, 7:05 am PDT

That is very sad

Quote From: stillamama

1st of all, it is disheartening to see all of the MIL bashing going on in here.  I am the Mother of an only child, a son.  I loved my son unconditionally and raised him to accept people in spite of their differences.  I was successful..except...once he married, he did not allow me that courtesy.  I have not heard from him in months..Christmas came and went..nothing.  My crime you ask??  Because I am a huggy - kissy type person (and have been forever..I hug strangers!  ), I was informed once my son got married, that I was only allowed to hug him twice per visit.  Once when I see him and once when I left.  Be mindful that I see MY ONLY son (and only child) 2 times per year.  Visits lasting no longer then 4-5 days.  I broke the "rules" because I hugged him and told him that I had missed him in the middle of the 1st day of visiting.  I also was informed that I would not be allowed to "smear lipstick" all over my grandsons face.  He is 16 months old and I have seen him 3 times and have been allowed to hold him for 5 minutes on my last visit.  I cry everyday for the son I used to have...for the grandson that will never know me..and for the daughter in law that I had hoped would be the daughter I never had.  I tried to make peace after 4 months, and called my son and he hung up on me.  I know that as surely as my daughter in law chose my son, she also chose me.  They dated for 9 years all through high school and college before marrying.  She never had a problem with me until they married.      I treated her like my daughter.  I pray all the time about this.  My heart breaks more each passing day.  All of you DIL remember, all MIL are NOT Monster-in-laws.  Most of us, were once daughter in laws too.  My Mother in Law lived with us for 5 /12 years and I cared for her like a daughter.  Afterall she WAS my husband's Mother.  She was a difficult person, but what kept me going was the fact that Without her,..I never would have had my husband.  I taught my son how to love.  He loves his wife because I taught him how to care, be honest, be kind, be loving.  Try thinking of that sometimes DIL's.

This is a very sad story. I can understand maybe your son as a adult saying "oh come on mom, stop hugging me" I'm personally not a big fan of hugs FOR MYSELF. I have a 11 week old baby. My mother in law came out for the first 2 weeks and she held him and kissed every chance she got and I didn't mind. Babies and children need that touching. I do wonder if your DIL or Son give there child the amount of attention that child seeks, its very sad if they dont. I see nothing wrong with you being a touchy feely person. You cut your hugs down towards your son even if you break the "stupid" rule and give hime a extra hug. God knows parents miss there children, no matter how old they get. I think I would go through the roof if someone told me I couldn't hug my son, when it comes to my son I kiss him and hug him all the time, of course him being only 11 weeks no one better tell me I cant. I'm very sorry for what your son and DIL are putting you through with the grandchild. I think its sad they wouldn't want there grandchild to be spoiled with hugs and kisses. VERY SAD

 

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April 9, 2007, 11:19 am PDT

Lying

Quote From: our4sons

 

That means to me that your boys at the age of 3 would lie about being sexually abused.

 

"Would" & "could" are two different things. They may never do anything like that, but that doesn't mean I'm foolish enough to ever think I know they wouldn't... even if I can't "foresee it ever happening".

 

But no I can for see he wouldn't ever lie about being sexually abused. If he came to me at any age and told me that I would believe him.

 

Glad you would believe him & look into it, as any parent should. Nowhere does that say he isn't capable of lying about such a thing, especially if he was coached or led to believe. 

I don't believe children that young are capable of just lying about sexual abuse, being coached is different the child isn't just making it up on there own. But in this case with this family, who besides the mother or grandmother would coach this little girl into saying this about her uncle, and why. There is always a reason for coaching a child into saying this.

 

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April 9, 2007, 9:09 pm PDT

Rules

Quote From: penny_lady

The rule might be stupid to you or to someone else, but it's not to him. I bet you have rules that I think are stupid. But you're an adult and I bet if your mother started telling you how to run your life and your home you'd be very annoyed.

Look at what happened when she broke the "stupid" rule? She lost contact with her son. Was that over the top? I think so, but it's HIS life. If he was here posting I'd probably tell him he's being overly sensitive. If he was here we might here a different story from him. You never know, maybe he has a reason for not wanting to be smothered. Maybe he was abused at some point in his life, maybe he's angry about something deep down that his mother isn't facing. Who knows? We don't know... because there is only one side of the story we are hearing.

It might sound VERY weird to some people that I don't want my parents forcing my daughter to pray. I don't like prayer. I don't like my daughter being taught that. If my parents do not stop they'll lose us. You might find that "stupid" but it's MY rule. I'm and adult, I'm done being raised and I certainly need no help raising my daughter.

"It might sound VERY weird to some people that I don't want my parents forcing my daughter to pray. I don't like prayer. I don't like my daughter being taught that. If my parents do not stop they'll lose us. You might find that "stupid" but it's MY rule. I'm and adult, I'm done being raised and I certainly need no help raising my daughter."

 

No I actually do not think that is a stupid rule, for anything that is forced on a child and its not the parents forcing it then its wrong. I didn't say the sons rule for not alot of touching him was stupid. I said the no touching the children was just sad, unless its the children that didn't want to be touched. Most kids I know like to be held and hugged by there parents/grandparents/aunts and Uncles. My no touching rule, that usually applys to everyone but my husband and now my son, I had to put up with hugs and kisses from my niece and nephew cause I atleast felt it would be mean to deny them the affection they wanted from there aunt.

 

I do agree that anyone should always follow the parents rules. But come on people tend to forget and sometimes rules are broken. I think its just sad to cut connection with family over hugs. Yours however is more religious and you have asked them to not do it. So they have purposly gone behind your back to do this, even though its not your wish. Before you cut them out try to sit them down again, and explain how serious this wish is of yours, maybe they just don't understand.

 

 

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April 10, 2007, 8:39 pm PDT

Unsure

Quote From: hounddog

It doesnt make any other sense to do it any other way. These stories of incest are always a joke.Either on T.V.  or in real life. The way it always gets handled is so ridiculous. Everybody is afraid of the victim . How can you investigate , get anywhwere, when you miss (LITERALLY) the first step.The most imporatnet one. A real life accusser. No accuser = no crime .If you ignore the accuser, you  ignore the crime.If one  can't handle the accusser, dont be a cop, or a C.P.S. worke,r or psychologist, or anybody else in a position to  make any kind of call on what you think happened, (position of trust is what they call it) even if it is just an opinion.They always say, "well, their isnt any evidence. yet I hear nothing about the victim's testimony at all. They dont want to tread where they might FIND IT, is what is really going on.

 

No evidence????.

 

Simply just don't want to go to where it might be. Or are children just that  (By default)UNRELIABLE that only extreme/tragic/entertaining situations get police and C.P.S. attention, and then of course it is usually too  late.Jeremy aint no different than this steve jr. guy other than he shows dr.phil a little more respect. Same ignorant investigation same result though. They  can sugar coat all/anything they want all they want. I look at facts, accusations, and actions, and dont see anything different this time around, so maybe I am serious TOO!!. I sure am not looking into being entertained (T.V.) What else can I say?. 

Yes Jeremy's Case and Steven's Case was being charged with the same thing of molesting a child. But just cause they were being accused of the same thing doesn't mean its the same information for both. I do believe Jeremy did it without a doubt, and I think its said the coursts have yet to do really anything about it, but with Steven there is only the what the grandmother and mother claimed the child said (not sayings its untrue) but with the case with Jeremy they have the little girl on tape saying what happened and you hear no coaching from the mother or grandmother. I wish Dr Phil was harder with Steven like he was with Jeremy, its pissed off that he was so calm about it and acted as if this wasn't a big deal. I personally don't understand how these parents can sit there so relaxed with these pervert's sitting in front of them. Like Dr Phil said on the Dr Phil House "I would of been choking that son of bitch until they pulled me off" I'm with Dr Phil on that, sorry you hurt my child I hurt you. END OF STORY

 

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April 10, 2007, 9:00 pm PDT

Saving Grace

Quote From: siss_52

     My nstincts tell me grandpa has done this before to someone else.....just a gut feeling..
I agree with you, he is what 60 something years old and I don't think this is the first times he had the "urge" to do this. Very sick man. And horrible grandparents, the worst in my book.
 

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April 10, 2007, 9:04 pm PDT

Input on the photos of Children

I know this might be a dead now, but I had to put my input on it, sorry. But just looked at all the children sites, the mom sites, the pregnancy sites they have tons and tons of photos of children, teens and babies. Taking photos and putting them up on the net isn't something new. Before the internet it was photos taken and put in magazines, whats the difference? As long as when you post the photo you don't include full names and home address I'm pretty sure these kids/babies are safe.
 

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