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December 20, 2008, 2:24 pm PST

Casey Requesting Her Attorney Upon Learning They Have Confirmation Of Her Daughter's Death

 I strongly suspected that this child was no longer with us, but it was still so very sad to hear that they now can confirm that she is dead. 

I've heard that Casey was informed of her daughter's death 15 minutes before the press conference.  Her pastor showed up moments later, but she opted to forgo the consolation of her pastor in favor of visiting with her attorney.

This makes perfect sense to me if ya'll will permit me to speculate.

I think Casey is probably guilty which means she knew all along where her daughter's body was.  When she found out that they found her little girl, she felt panicked and afraid for herself because she knew it would hurt her case.

I think there are many questions she's been just dying to ask her attorney now that she's sitting in her cramped jail cell with no more Google searches.  She wants to know things like what kinds of incriminating information can be gleaned from a body in the state that it's now in? Will this point to me? Can I save my own hide?

I think she's had all kinds of questions burning up inside of her based upon things that only she knew.  She wanted answers because answers would help her figure out answers to her most important questions ~ questions along the lines of, "What's going to happen to me now?"

But, alas, Casey had to wait until everyone else was up to speed before she asked those questions.  I'll bet she couldn't wait to talk to her attorney after everything was made public.  She was probably chomping at the bit.

As for consolation from her pastor? You have to feel sad before you need that.
 
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January 9, 2009, 12:57 pm PST

If you hang out at the barber shop long enough, you're gonna get a haircut!

I've always admired Dr. Phil, but when I learned that Bishop Jakes was the person he went to for advice, I admired him all the more! 

We need more shows like this, more movies like this, more advice like this!

I think it was Billy Graham who said that he never had lunch alone with a woman and he never rode in a car alone with a woman.  (I'm sure that if he was driving along in his car alone and saw a woman stranded by the roadside, he'd give her a ride, but I think you get what he ~ and I ~ mean.)   Married men have no business carrying on long lingering friendships with other women.  No good can come from it.

I'm very happily married and I would be uncomfortable pursuing a friendship with another man.  I simply don't see the point.  My husband and I both have friends that are male and female, but he hangs out with his male friends or we see them together.  If I want to spend time with a man, I'll spend time with my husband!

Recovering alcoholics know that if they hang out in bars, no matter how good their intentions are for sobriety, they are more likely to drink.  I think all these married men and women attempting to have platonic  friendships with members of the opposite sex have similar problems.  So often it's the same story.  "We started hanging out together because we both liked Russian Literature. Then, we just started going for coffee more and more and discovered ~ surprise surprise ~ we had FEELINGS for one another! Then one thing led to another, but we never expected the affair to get physical!"

I think the key to preventing things from ending bad is stopping them from beginning bad.
 
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March 26, 2009, 1:46 pm PDT

I don't get it...

I still don't get it. Last week, I watched Dr. Phil do excellent couples therapy stressing the fact that if you don't get honest, you can't go forward and he wouldn't waste his time.  I love watching him help people. He has such an amazing gift!

 

Yet, with Nadya, it is painfully obvious that she has lied about so many things (like the plastic surgery) and Dr. Phil lets her glide on by. And, he counters the opposition by saying, "Well, Nadya says..." (As if that would carry any merit?)

 

You can't change what you don't acknowledge.  Who said that that?

 

Maybe the Angels in Waiting did make Nadya feel inadequate so she stayed away from her babies.  Maybe we're supposed to believe it was one big, gigantic nurse conspiracy and her word is not mud.

 

Let's suppose for a moment that Nadya was telling the truth and all of these nurses were lying.  I don't believe wild horses could keep me away from my newborn children ~ let alone The GAP.

 

I think today's show was skewed to support Dr. Phil's position, which was to facilitate putting these babies into the arms of an unbalanced woman with antisocial tendencies.

 

I don't want to pretend to understand the media lions that go to battle and the frenzy of distortion that ensues. 

 

I don't want to say I don't trust Dr. Phil on the Octomom thing but I can't say that I entirely trust him either. Is that the same thing?

 
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March 26, 2009, 1:48 pm PDT

03/26 Octuplets: On the Record, Part 2

Quote From: sachma23

i couldnt agree more!! you cant just "leave her alone" when she has 14 young children to take care of. she is going to need help and when her money from pictures, ect. runs out she is going to need the taxpayers to help her support these children.  she should have thought about how she was goingt to handle all these kids before she decided to have more.

Same here! I thought, Dr. Phil, you've been doing this a long time ~ can't you tell this woman ain't wound too tight?

 
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March 26, 2009, 1:51 pm PDT

03/26 Octuplets: On the Record, Part 2

Quote From: mizliz58

'janecitizen' and 'darlin1111' covered the octomom saga pretty well.  Nayda is one of the first I have seen who has 'put one over' on Dr Phil...I've never seen him so gullible as he's been with this.  And if anyone thinks Nadya's lawyer is being homest...???  Of course, he likely does not know much first-hand, since he is "so busy" he could not find time to meet with everyone -- he probably only knows what Nadya is telling him...and of course, he should believe all that, right?????  I don't think Gloria Allred is perfection, but I do think she and Angels In Waiting are only thinking of what is best for all (14 of) the children!  Which is more than media-crazed Nayda is thinking. I will not willingly contribute anything to her --and it is to her, because I think she is benefitting more than her kids from the contributions!  This is a sad situation, because the children are the ones who will be damaged in the long run.

I couldn't agree with you more! I thought, "Dr. Phil, you've been doing this a long time! Can't you tell the woman sitting across from you isn't wound too tight?"

 

 

 
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March 30, 2009, 8:41 am PDT

03/26 Octuplets: On the Record, Part 2

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It was disgusting the way they were talking about Nadya, throwing out things like shopping at the Gap.  That was very unprofessional (even it was true) for them to throw out on public tv the way they did, and was probably blow out of proportion.  Again this person you have judged (in all your great wisdom) as being unstable, is the mother of these babies.  The best thing for these babies is for people to HELP the mother, not JUDGE her.
Are you judging those people who were judging Nadya by calling them "disgusting"?
 
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March 30, 2009, 8:44 am PDT

03/26 Octuplets: On the Record, Part 2

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Isn't it the job of a psychologist to work with "loosely wound" people? 
Help doesn't come from being unable to accurately assess where they're coming from. Nor does it come from allowing them to lie.  That's never been Dr. Phil's strategy in the past.  
 
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March 30, 2009, 8:57 am PDT

03/26 Octuplets: On the Record, Part 2

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HE DOES ACKNOWLEGE..WHICH IS WHY HE IS WALKING AWAY FROM THIS NOW......I REALLY FEEL YOU THREW DR PHIL UNDER THE BUS...HE HAD A DUTY AS"DR PHIL" AND A CITIZEN OF THE US TO TRY TO HELP..TO DO HIS DUTY AS YOU MIGHT SAY.  DR PHIL..I AM SURE....HAS OBLIGATIONS AS A DR AND ALSO AS A PUBLIC FIGURE..TO DO WHAT HE CAN TO HELP BUT ALSO HE KNOWS WHEN TO BACK AWAY..WITH DIGNITY..I MIGHT ADD.   AFTER ALL..EVEN THOUGH HE IS..A CELEBRITY..HE IS ALSO..ONLY HUMAN AND HE HAS A PERSONAL LIFE ALSO. POWER TO YA DR. PHIL.!!!!

I really hope I did not throw Dr. Phil under the bus! That was not my intention at all.  I am just confused by his position on this thing.  That being said.

 

This is a situation, created by Nadya, for which there are no easy answers.

 

I do not believe she will be able to do a good job of raising 14 kids, giving them the love and attention and safety they deserve. 

 

I believe she's far too selfish to ever give any of her babies up for adoption even though that would be the best thing for the children.  

 

In America, you can't take away someone's children because you think they're going to have miserable childhoods ~ it would be a frightening place if we could.

 

I am not fooled by Nadya's saccharine demeanor. She's not a nice woman.  And, I'm not so sure she's willing to change, especially if she's getting all the stuff she wants.

 

Maybe Dr. Phil was doing the best possible thing in a thorny, icky situation. I keep wondering why he kept throwing her softballs instead of really challenging her.  Maybe he was concerned that she would storm off and go to another show. NOT because HE wanted the interview, but because, he knew that if she did that, her kids wouldn't get the help that he could provide.

 

 

 

 
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March 30, 2009, 9:11 am PDT

03/26 Octuplets: On the Record, Part 2

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Help doesn't come from being unable to accurately assess where they're coming from. Nor does it come from allowing them to lie.  That's never been Dr. Phil's strategy in the past.  

Okay, that was being a tad harsh on him... I couldn't figure out why he kept throwing Nadya these softballs when he never would have done that with a nonfamous client.  It occurred to me that maybe he did it so that she wouldn't run to another show, NOT because he was worried about ratings, but because he knew that if she went trotting off to Howard Stern or who knows where, she would not get the direly needed help for her kids. So, he used a different approach.

 

 
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March 31, 2009, 6:44 am PDT

03/26 Octuplets: On the Record, Part 2

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yes!  i completely agree with you!

 

i think the people who side with nadya are very well-meaning big-hearted people, but i think they are people who have been fortunate enough to have not been directly influenced by somebody of her profile..  those of us who have "been there" can recognize the type of person she is, because it's like looking at a twin (in my case, my mother's twin)..

 

what has been happening lately so clearly reminds me of when my sister and i were living in filth and unfed to the point that my father finally swallowed his pride and asked his sister to come bail us out..  suddenly my mom became the epitomy of functionality and scrubbed the place top to bottom and had a hot healthy meal on the table by the time my aunt got there..  my aunt said he obviously overreacted because you seem to have everything under control, and mom poured on the sweet charm and convinced her that "of course" she did, "absolutely"!   so my aunt left and within a week we were living in filth and hungry again..

 

i have no doubt that nadya "can" rise to the occasion, but i do doubt that she "will" unless somebody has their eye on her..  transparency/accountability is a very good tool in response to these people because they hate to look bad..  so kudos to doctor phil for making that strong recommendation..  in nadya's determination to prove naysayers wrong, maybe she will prove us wrong, i hope she does..  but she won't bother to if nobody is looking..  trust me on that..  and i agree with you that it is probably why doctor phil was not in a hurry to make people stop looking even when we wanted to, lol..   i think he had to adjust his approach to accomodate what he had to work with..   just as my dad learned that the best way to get my mom to mother us was to threaten to get somebody else to do it..   the good doctor knew what he was doing;)

I knew someone like that, too.  Thankfully, I wasn't one of her direct victims ~ I'm so sorry about what you went through with your mom!

I've noticed some interesting and distinct parallels between this woman and Nadya.  The most obvious and surface on is both coiffed their appearances in similar fashion and spoke in ultra sweet "baby voices." I can't help but wonder if both figured out that this was an easier way to "get over" on a higher volume of people a greater amount of the time as well as rationalize to themselves, "Listen to me, I'm nice? Can't you tell?" However, listening to how quickly Nadya would get cruel with her mother told otherwise.

Did someone mention that a co-worker pushed Nadya down a flight of stairs? Assuming that Nadya didn't just fall down the stairs, I want to say that was something else I noticed about this other woman ~ her behavior tended to frustrate people around her ~ good, ordinary people just got frustrated to the breaking point.  It wasn't that this woman just encountered nasty people all the time, it was that her behavior brought out the very, very worst in people because she was so manipulative and didn't seem to know when to quit.  Even today, she drifts through life, never working but always having plenty of resources, owing everyone and feeling no guilt, doing whatever she felt like doing.

I agree 100% with you and Dr. Phil that total transparency is the answer.  I doubt Nadya will care for her kids otherwise.  I find that fundamentally upsetting.
 

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