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October 31, 2007, 11:28 pm PDT

Appauling behavour

Im from Australia I believe the Australia and American judicial system is out of step with reality and the real world. Judges need to get in touch with reality. Especially in Australian because their not elected to the bench here, they don’t know what’s it like living in the real world. 160 years for a woman fooling around, its just as bad as the Nigerian government when they tried to kill a Muslim lady for committing adultery. Is it me, or is the united state government sexiest, and hypocritical. When the lady from Nigeria was going to be stoned to death there was up roar. 160 for statutory rape, or what ever you want to call it is weird to say the least. I was reading a weekly magazine just yesterday that in Australia a lady got a 15 month suspended sentences for sexually molesting a 14-15 year old boy. If it were a man he would have gotten a jail sentence.

 

Two civilized western countries on two different pages. One thinks its ok for a lady to have sex with a minor and another thinks it worse than a man molesting his daughter. It’s disgraceful and pathetic.

 

It reminds me of judge who stated some 11 years ago, no means maybe, maybe means yes and yes means you aint no lady.

 

 It’s time the judicial system woke up to itself, in Australian courtroom the victim isn’t even referred to by there name, there referred to as ‘the victim.’ It hide time that victim were allowed to voice there emotional feelings rather than just of an account of what happened to them, there treated like witnesses rather than victim who in the case of sexual assault, their lives have forever changed.

 
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November 3, 2007, 1:07 am PDT

sex offends

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I think its disgusting and horrific that this abuse is happening in our world. Whether the teacher is a female or male they have manipulated their positon as a teacher by faking their role as a teacher who is supposed to be there for their students in academic wise, teaching them and preparing them for further studies and for the future that lies ahead whether they choose to go to university or just simply choose to work.  Instead they try and most succeed to gain and pursue their sexual fantasies. Shouldnt those teachers who commit this grossly act be classified as pedophiles ?

I BELIEVE that such predators should be publicly listed as parents can be  made aware of their behaviour so we can protect our children from falling into their mind playing, manipulative, seductive traps if should the law let us down and release them on some good behaviour bond or some form of community services instead of serving a resonable jail term for their crime. As a mother of 3, i would certainly be wary of any teacher that teaches my child and would want a full police check to be done and presented to each family of the students before they commence that year of school regardless what grade they are in.

In many states of Australia, those who are found guilty of sexual offense against a minor are put on the sexual offenders list, even for offences such as statutory rape. It was my belief that many states in the United States had the same system, as Australia policies are usually ‘borrow’. Doing this means they can never work with minors, ever.
 

 
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November 3, 2007, 1:22 am PDT

teachers

Quote From: clizstuart

You brought out an excellant point - one boy wrote a poem and distributed it. He says that he only gave it to the teacher. Mule muffins! The Supreme Court won't let students grade each others paper because that may be a breach of confidentiality. No teacher would distribute a poem about a students abuse by an adult. If that boy continues to lie, his nose will grow so long that he will be poking people in Britain in the eye with it.
I was thinking about becomng a science teacher, later if I couldnt get a job in the field I desire. Makes me thinks twice about teaching a bunch of immature teenagers.
I'm an aunty to an 11 and 10 year boys and when they acuse anyone of doing anything wrong, I always question them first, expecially the 11 years old. His parent might think his innnocent and repeatly give him the benefit of the doubt, but experence has shown me that he lies when it suits him, and when he should tell a white lie to defend someone's integrity he doesn't. Maybe I'm expecting a bit more maturity from an 11 year old, but I wouldnt trust them or any teenager with a 10 foot pole, and that frankly is a sad admission. When ever a teenager acuses someone of foul play, maybe they should be question first. After all what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty. When a woman is raped the police constantly ask her the same question, to make sure her story doesn't change, is it hard to expect the same Scrutiny from teenage accuses.
 
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November 3, 2007, 11:20 pm PDT

unfairness

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What really caught my attention about your post was the fact that rape victims are asked the same question repeatedly to ensure their story never changes, and believe when I say you can't be fuzzy about ANY detail no matter how small.

 

I was raped by two men and I was interogatted! Not only did the police have DNA evidence, my room mate on record in regards to what she heard and countless pictures taken by the police of bruises and marks on my body some in the shape of a hand BUT I still had to answer the same questions over and over. NOTHING happened to these boys, the police woman handeling it had this to say to me, " ...these boys seem really nice.." I could not believe that after all I had done, all I had been through the police were protecting the guilty parties.

 

The legal system protects the guilty and harrasses the innocent, and that is DISGUSTING. Joelle is the VICTIM of lies that have ruined her life and has had to fight to keep her teaching license yet is still out of work, is in debt, has a tarnished reputation and her kids have to live with these lies. Yet, its just peachy for the boys to be inconsistent, no one calls them liars, its just fine and dandy that they aren't traumatized nor have they been affected in anyway. WHY AREN'T THESE BOYS SCRUTINIZED, WHY IS IT NOT A BIG DEAL WHEN THE DETAILS CHANGE?????  They have nothing but he said she said hear say and they have tons of support; where as a rape victim(myself for example) can have DNA evidence, physical evidence(bruises and marks), and they get nothing but a never ending line of questions and  accussations of lying about these "nice" boys(yeah thats why I couldn't sleep in my own room).

 

Matt and the Mama's boy need to have some idea of what Joelle is going through, they need to be questioned in a more abrassive manner, not this coddling they've been getting. The whole thing makes me sick and is a reminder of how flawed our legal system is.

In the height of racism discrimination against people of Lebanese origin in Sydney Australia a few years back a young man got a 66 years sentence for gang rape. What he and his friends and members of his family did was nothing but animal like. Sadly you would think in this modern age that it not to ask for every crime of this nature be treated in the same manner. Why is it Authorizes choose to put all their effort into some cases and not others.

So what if the boys were nice. Look at the all the serial killers and serial rapist the great majority look like nice people. some 25-30 years ago in south Australia  a few boys were killed and sexually assaulted in the most vial disgusting way, even the father of one of the boys didn’t know what to call his son killer, do you call then humans-no, do you call then- animal (The Butchered boys case) - no even animals wouldn't do such deplorable acts. I wouldn’t even call these types of dirt, because frankly dirt is much to nice a word. 

  

Are the boys going to be charged for perjury, or false allegations, they did after all not pass a lie detector. These boys knew what they were doing when they made the allegation. Like I said earlier that victim of rape, are integrated when they accuse someone of rape, this may be because many have falsely accused many a man before of rape, when this wasn’t true. I have a friend who was in the same situation. Only the Police here in Sydney didn’t question this girl enough, because it didn’t take them long before my friends was taken to the police station for questioning.  

  

Why isn’t it the same when a baby faced, religious boy from a ‘good’ family when he accuses a teacher of sexual assault. The world is in need of good teachers, no one want be a teacher anymore. It was once thought as a privileged position, now not nearly as much people respect teaching enough to become teachers. I hope she sue’s the school board and the thrusting families for all their worth.  

 
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November 21, 2007, 11:24 pm PST

owning a home in the US

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On your last show Abdullah told you that he own a home in the USA, two years ago but that he Sold it. Has anyone checked to see if this was true or not. This should be on public records shouldn't it?
In  Australian non- Australian citizens aren't allowed  to own a home outright above a certain price ($150,000 I believe it is), doesn't the US have similar laws if they do his credibility goes out the window instantly.
 
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November 21, 2007, 11:35 pm PST

Im from an Arabic background

I'm from an Arabic background, while I was Born in Australia my parent are Lebanese, and let me tell you an Arab is the last person I would trust, only because I was in a similar situation. I married a man from Lebanon, not long after he got his citizenship we separated and  are now divorced he went on to get married again.  I'm also a Muslim, and rarely do Muslim marry for love, I got married all for the wrong reasons, funny enough a Muslim marriage is statistically better than a non-Muslim marriage.  I haven't seen the show but from what I have read his only in it for a visa to the US. IF she comes back, make sure he doesn't get into the country, save the US government  a headache, and spare her family. I should say that not all Arabs are the same, my brother and sisters married Lebanese men and woman and their marriages are fine. Marrying young is a mistake waiting to happen, especially to someone you don't know, trust me I should know.
 
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November 26, 2007, 6:09 pm PST

wrong punishment

Quote From: edmicequeen

I have been following this story closely as years ago I lost a good friend the same way .

Basically I think this article I will quote from the local paper here says it all .

Mideast   Saudis defend gang rape verdict

Saudi Arabia defended yesterday a courts decison to sentence a woman who was gang raped to 200 lashes of the whip after united states described the verdict as astounding .

The 19 year old Siite woman and an unrelated man companion was abducted and raped by seven men in 2006. Last week the womans sentence was raised to 200 lashes and six months in prison for being alone with an unrelated man.

Obviously the government in those countrys does not protect woman the way they are protected in countries such as the states and canada .

There beliefs are different and there laws are extremely different .

I do understand internet love but I think one has to weigh in cultural differences aswell.

Looking forward to Mondays show .

The Arab world is backwoods. I’m an Australian Lebanese Muslim. This judgment is ludicrous. However to I must defend how they think. I was raised a Muslim and every Muslim girl to raised pretty much not to trust men. I wasn’t allowed to have boys as friends, I did anyway. All Muslim Arab countries still practice arrange marriages. So they only way for a girl to be seen with a boy in public is if they are engage to be married. There is no such thing as courtship, if a boy like you, his get permission from your parent to marry you and then you get to know each other.   This is how its always been in Arab countries, and that how their brought up. In some Indian religion the bride does not see her husband until the day of the wedding. These are customs and tradition, they know no better so we shouldn’t judge. That said this is why the girl got punished, I don’t Condon the punishment its stupid. From what you said she was out with a male who wasn’t related to her. This is a big no no in Muslim culture, I think the rape is punishment to last a life time, then the stupid government goes add fuel to her already burning emotional state by publicly punishing her for something someone else did to her is absurd. They only got 10 month to a year for raping her, how hypocritical, there animals, there not even animals. In Australia a Lebanese youth was jailed to 66 years for gang rape.  

  

This is why I tell people its not the boys who are bad its their parents for raising them to think they are superior to women. What message do those sentences send out to young Muslim youth, only that the girl gets what she deserves and the boy it’s never the boys fault. Its one thing to have tradition and customs it’s another to punish the wrong person. Thank god my mother had 6 girls and 3 boys, and they were taught to respect women. My brother has been married to his wife for nearly 4 years and has never raised a hand to his wife.   

  

 
 
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November 27, 2007, 4:11 pm PST

11/26 Katherine Returns

I’m from Australia and have yet to see the show but I’ve read the ‘blogs.’ I was also brought up in an Arabic culture and traditions, while living in Australia, confusing to say the least. You’re brought up one way and society tells you that it different. As my parent are Lebanese I do understand the culture, no matter how hard I try to reject it, but I also instill many of the ethnical and moral discipline into my own life. Such as dressing modestly, though I choose not to wear the hijab. I’m also a divorced single mother, but I won’t have physical relationship outside of marriage. This is how I was brought up, not to bring disrespect to my family. In a way I can see where Abdullah is coming from, and no its not normal for a Muslim man to insult his wife, or physically abuse his wife to even suggest it may be normal is ignorant and stereotypical. Like any other relationship people say things in the heat of the moment they regret later. In Abdullah defense his only way of communicating with Katherine is in English, people who don’t speak English as a second language and like autistic people finds it hard to understand slang, jargon, and colloquialism and foal language. The bad language he has probably learnt is from western movies and TV shows. So what he sees on American show’s he perceives as normal. 


On the visa issue. If someone want to enter Australia on a spouse visa, its doesn’t take a couple day, I’m guessing it’s the same in the US. They have to get many checks i.e. criminal history, medical history etc, visa’s are not handed out on a wimp. I know of people who have waited 6 months.

  

On Palestine, how do we know their living in an area which is dangerous, not all arab area’s are dangerous. Would they have been concerned if she went to Isreal or to Africa its just as dangerous.  All I'm hearing is, it's a war torn country, but I haven't heard anything on the news of late, to be concerned.
 

  

Katherine is 18 and in her own admission she is an individual and independent, yet I don’t see anywhere that she is employed and looking after herself, and didn’t I read somewhere that Abdullah’s family paid for her ticket. She must have been desperate to see him, not once but twice, so he can’t be that bad. Yes I will be the first one to say not to trust him, his probably using her to get to America, but she used him just as much as he used her. Teenagers get away with hell in our countries, in Arab countries such behavior is unheard of. I was raised in Australian and no one in my family as teenagers said a bad word to our parent or other adults. Let alone hoped on a plane  without consent, even though she didn't have too and didn't, she should have, its common sense.  


 

 

In Arab culture it’s disrespectful not to try and respect your partners parents. Yes he could have taken Katherine away from her family and denied her access to her family, but he didn’t. The whole Arab/ Muslim culture is about family. I for one put the needs of my family ahead of mine. If Katherine was raised in an Muslim country and did what she did there she would be hung out to dry. Having said that Abdullah and his family as Muslims should have known better than to fly Katherine over without the company of an adult and without her parent permission. As far as I know even though Katherine is not Muslim, they still need the permission of her parent to let her get married, it may not be law, but it’s custom. And just because she is not muslim doesn't give them the right to treat her any differently than a young muslim girl.
 


 


 

Most of the blame if not all of it should go to Katherine. If she thinks she is an independant adult than she should own up to her mistake and sorry doesn't cut it.   

 
 
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November 28, 2007, 6:07 pm PST

muslims and america

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     Why would a Muslim man want travel to non Muslim countries, what  is there he can not find in Muslim countries?....

 

   ...please tell me WHAT is it ?...

 

Since you know so much about Muslim traveling problems!

 

What Muslim people see in countries such as America is freedom and the opportunity to make a lot more money back home, and make their families life a little comfortable back home. I don't see this as a problem do you. I mean countries like the US, Canada and Australia are 'land of the free' countries that allow the notion of freedom, freedom to think as they want, say as they want, and do as they want within the law. Sad to say that many Arab countries don't have the freedoms we take for granted.

As long as anyone from another country legally enters our country and abides by the rules, and try to assimilate whats the problem. Every human being has the right to live in freedom.

Islam is the second largest religion and the fastest growing, so instead of not tolerating other peoples religious belief it time we came to understand, and this should include Muslims giving other religions a fair go, I do and i quite enjoy learning about other peoples beliefs and custom it helps me understand them.
 
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November 28, 2007, 10:25 pm PST

11/26 Katherine Returns

Quote From: yvette16

 

    Every human being has the right to live in freedom. That sounds nice. Women are human beings....

 Last time I checked their tolerant ways are hardly noticeable, they prefer the World without Israel.

     

       As far as other religions in Muslim countries, I don' know. How many Buddhists, Christians and Catholics they have, and how safe they are to practice their religion?

 

     I guess according to you must be billions since they  are 100% tolerated over there.

 Most Arab countries have a fair share of Christian Arabs such as Lebanon, but unfortunate the great majority or Muslim nation are like 99% Muslims, I believe this is pretty unfortunate and the reason why extremist have had a strangle hold peoples freedom in Arab countries. This is why i refuse to visit such countries even my parent country of birth anymore post 9/11.

On your comment  "Last time I checked their tolerant ways are hardly noticeable, they prefer the World without Israel"  yes i don't deny that Muslim hate Israel, if you new the history than you will understand why. And this dislike of Israel or the Jewish people in general is not privy to Muslim only. I've asked many a non-Muslim on the thoughts about Israel and the Jewish people, all but one had a general dislike. I prefer to judge individual rather than a whole race. It's a sad fact, and I still don't understand why they disliked Jewish people, because none of the people I asked (majority Christians and Catholics) could give me a reasonable answer. I as a Muslim don't know the history, frankly I don't give a @@@@, but I did do some reading and research, well I started, it just dragged on, the Palestinian have a cause to be disgruntled, as do the Israelis, but I'm more sympathetic to the Palestinian cause than I am the Israelis, and no its not because I'm Muslim. In America you get the western version of whats happening, I have the privilege to view both sides, having been to the middle east a few year back, my first reaction to the news there was, how come we don't see this version of events in the western media.

I know my ranting has nothing to do with this topic, but its my belief that American are very uneducated about world issues, and should make comments that are misleading and inaccurate.
 

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