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February 17, 2007, 11:35 am PST

It happened to me....

Dear Dr. Phil,

I deliberated for days about writing this for fear I would be judged and ridiculed.  I'm still not sure I should write this, but it may help someone to understand Bettie.

 

I went through this identical thing...not once, not twice, but three times.  It took the third time for me to 'get it', that it was about him...not them.  The first sister was 17 and our 4 year old daughter was critical with kidney problems/surgery.  I stayed at the hospital with her 24/7 so it was 'my fault' when I came home and caught them after a month at the hospital.  The second sister was 15 when I was contacted by the children's home she was living in.  I felt sorry for her and took her in, delighted at giving her her first Christmas, showing her the love she never got at home and making her part of a real 'family'.  To give her some spending money, I paid her to care for my two children before and after school, and on summer break.  I noticed things, but pushed them aside for fear I was judging her by our other sister.  When I learned 'they' had been locking my children out of the house...I knew.  When confronted, she was like Molly and he was like John.  I sent her packing and later learned that she had big plans to 'replace me'.  The third sister was 19 and called me while her husband was trying to beat the door down to get to her.  I feared for her life, called the police in her town and wired her a plane ticket.  The police got her and her baby to the airport.  When I picked her up at the airport here, I gave her the low down on what would happen if she even THOUGHT about doing to me what the other two sisters had done.  She cried and vowed to me she 'wasn't like that'.  It wasn't even a month and I started seeing the signs so I became sneaky to 'catch them' and DID.  She called her HUSBAND to come get her, claiming I was about to kill her.  He came for her with a totally different story about the night I called the police.  About a month after she went back to her husband, I got a call that my sister and my husband were still talking on the phone, sending letters back and forth and she had gotten packages from him.    He read me some of the letters and told of the things in the packages....I knew it was my husband....he was 'courting' her!  It was the straw that broke the camels back.

 

My husband and I were married for 27 years....he had an affair every 3 or 4 years the entire marriage.  I always believed him when he made it 'my fault'.  I was raised by a narcissist and married one.  I truly didn't know that none of this was about me, it was about him.  It took a breakdown and a lot of therapy for me to understand, and even now, it's easy for me to blame myself.  I believed him when he said I should be thankful he wanted me because no one else would.  When he had an affair with my best friend, I bought all his excuses.  I loved this man with every fiber of my being and would take him back after months of his begging and vowing to never do it again.  It took the 7th affair to put a backbone in me.  But even then, he claimed they were 'just friends' so I told him, you have 60 days....it's her or me.  He said he wasn't about to give up a friend, so I left the state.  It took 5 and a half years to divorce him, he fought me with a criminal lawyer and in the end, I just gave up and let him have everything...including the burial plot I paid for (his was paid by the VA), the home, the business and equipment...all I got was 14,000 dollars and my freedom. 

 

In all the years we have been divorced/getting divorced....he has only had 2 girlfriends and both were doozies!  He still tries to get me back, but as each year passes, I wonder more and more, what was it that I saw in him?  What made me love him so?  WHY did I give him SEVEN (almost eight) chances?  How many affairs did he have that I didn't know about?  WHERE WERE MY BRAINS?

 

What I want to say here is.....I understand Bettie more than anyone can imagine.  I even understand Molly!!!!  When a man like John does what he does, the woman falls for it for reasons I can't explain.  Don't let Molly's attitude fool you....that's an armor.  She knows full well what she did to her sister and she also knows there is no way to pay for what she's done.  Those women came from a dysfunctional home....look at the mother!  When there is that much dysfunction in a home, we take it with us when we build our own homes.  The tragedy is, it's usually the 'innocent' of us that pay the price for the actions of others.  I have been told by professionals that it's amazing that I didn't end up in an institution as a child, let alone what I went through as an adult.  Bettie can forgive, but she can NEVER forget, it will haunt her forever and be the flea that bites her when least expected.  I read what John posted here, and wish I believed him...but it's not for me to believe.  Gramps always said "a leopard never changes his spots, he just rearranges them"....and how TRUE....once a dog....always a dog!

 

My son tried to warn me NOT to watch this particular show....said the folks even LOOKED like my situation.  But I tape the show and watched it anyway....couldn't sleep for days.  I wanted to reach out to Bettie in the worst way...but there is nothing I can say to help her.  She must walk her own road and make her own decisions at each fork and that's for none of us to judge.  I am much happier now, but it was a LONG road and I still don't trust folks (especially men).  My ex still clings to hope that one day I will take him back....NEVER!  He is a very lonely man, but he dug his own ditch.  One piece of advise I would give Bettie....the example you set for your children in this situation is IMPORTANT.  Staying/forgiving was NOT the best thing I did for mine.  My daughter is now 36 and my son is 34....neither have ever been married....both are single parents to one child.  They are successful in every aspect of their lives except relationships with the opposite sex.  Children don't learn from what they hear....they learn from what they see (live).  I pray Bettie can find peace.

 

Thank you Dr. Phil, for doing this show....until now....I thought I was 'the only one'.

 

Sincerely, Sunny         

 
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March 25, 2008, 5:54 pm PDT

We are here

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hi my name is Makayla and I'm 19 years old and just started dealing with my abuse issues (sexualy and physically).  and its been really tough especially with all the nightmares and flashbacks i'm dealing with.  I was just wondering if all you could support me cause i was just looking and this seems to be a very supportive board.

 

Makayla

Dear Makayla,

 

We are here for each other and yes, this is a very supportive board.

 

Are you working with a therapist?  The nightmares and flashbacks seem to consume you for awhile but I promise...it won't last forever. 

 

Come here as often as you need to.

 

Hugs, Sunny

 
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March 28, 2008, 2:04 pm PDT

Confusing emotions

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Yes, I am working with a therapist,but its hard for me to trust anyone right away.  I just feel so confused on alot of my emotions right now .   I just don't understand alot of things and to me it just makes everything worse.

 

Makayla

Hi Makayla,

I totally understand what you are sayin.  I have a hard time trusting anyone.  I now know that comes from being abused by folks that were supposed to love and protect me...not violate me!  Can you explain what you meant by confused on emotions and not understanding things?  I think I know what you mean.  Are you meaning the conflict between love and betrayal?  Like "how could he (she) do this to me?  What did I do to deserve this?  He said he loved me!?  He said I was beautiful and special!?"  I'm not sure what happened to you so it's hard to help you.  But you have a therapist and that's good!  She should be able to help you to understand the things you don't get.

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March 28, 2008, 9:43 pm PDT

Adult or teen?

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Yes some of the things you said is what i'm confused.  Like why my parents had to sexually and physically abuse me?  Was i that bad of a kid?  I thought they were to protect me but ended up hurting me plus a child out of this mess. don't get me wrong when i just said that cause I love jayke with all my heart he my precious boy.  but i hate that l word and the sorry word they dont exist to me.  i guess i'm just a messed up adult or teen or whatever you want to call me.  i just started with my therapist so i need to trust her completely before i open uo to her. at least i know you know what i mean

 

makayla

My dear sweet girl Makayla, 

I shudder to think what you have been through.  I believe I know without being told because it is much like my own story.  I don't have a Jayke, but several miscarriages in my teens.  I know you love your son, but it is another cross for you to bare that is totally unfair.

 

Sweetheart, I'm now 56 years old and have been dealing with therapy for the past 6 years (after a breakdown).  I'm glad to know you are in therapy NOW, not waiting till your 50 and have your past hit you like a ton of bricks!  IT'S NOT OUR FAULT, but it's us that live with the daily torment.  I tried to bury my past but it wouldn't let me.  Therapy is HARD work, but worth it.  Yes, building trust with your therapist IS important...VERY important...and it DOES take some time and effort.  For folks like us...trusting folks is really tuff because we were lied to so much.  Talkin about what happened is tuff because for years we weren't allowed to talk!  We fear folks won't believe us...our story sounds like fiction...sometimes we aren't sure ourselves if it's real or not!  Plus we were told that no one would believe us...it was drilled into our head.  The conflict in our head..."I love them, they are my parents" but seconds later..."I hate them for what they have done to me and my life".   And the constant question in the back of our heads..."what did I do to deserve this?"  The answer to that is "NOTHING" but it's hard to believe that.  We look at our own child and think..."HOW could they do that to a sweet, innocent child?  I could NEVER do that!"  I have yet to understand that one.  "They were sick"  HUH?  They were well respected members of the community and church.  How could they be that 'sick' and no one know?  But I lived it...the double life they lived.  They were pure as the driven snow to the OUTSIDE world...but what went on behind closed doors was pure evil.

 

Are you an adult or teen?  I don't believe the number of years you have lived matters...you have had to grow up hard and fast!  And you're rite...SORRY DOESN'T CUT IT!  Too late to be 'sorry' now!

 

Kudos to you sweet girl...you have survived and are reaching out for help!!!  You are a survivor, you are strong and you will make it!  You don't have to believe in others yet...just believe in yourself and do what you need to do for you and your son.  How old is Jayke?  Isn't being a mother a wonderful gift?  They grow soooo fast....before you know it those tiny feet are walkin off to school.  Enjoy every moment.

 

Any time you need to talk, come here and let it out.  I DO understand you...more than you know.  I may not have all the answers, but I can listen and help where I can.  If you would like my personal email where you could talk more privately, let me know.

 

Hugs, Sunny 

 
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March 29, 2008, 10:05 pm PDT

You WILL make it...I promise!

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that would be wonderful if you give me your email addy.  that way i could talk more to you. it seems we been thru alot of the same thing.  Jayke is 2 years old almost 3.  be 3 on april 11.  right now i am so depressed  but i know i will make it. thanks for answering my posts.

 

Makayla

Do you know why you will make it?  Because you have a little boy that needs you!  My children are what kept me goin!  Now it's my grandsons that keep me 'goin' LOL.  But even with all the runnin around I do, I love them dearly.  Your Jayke will keep you goin.  Your welcome but you needent thank me...that's what this board is for...to give or receive support...something we all need.  My addy:  lashel52@juno.com

 

Hugs, Sunny 

 
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March 31, 2008, 6:24 am PDT

Stay strong!

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I just learned a few weeks ago that the man I thought was a good husband and provider was molesting my child. The predator is in jail, though, in my opinion, and state of mind, he should be rocked or torture for this horrific act. I along with my child are seeking counseling but I feel that she is further apart from me now that she came forth then she has been in years.  I am trying to be patient and understand that this home and I are part of a painful childhood but it's hard not being so close to he especially since I really have no one else to tell. Because of her age, I have chosen to keep a tight lid on this. I have also sent numerous prayer requests online and in mailings so that we can get through this and also prayers for this not to go to trial as this is a small community. I do want to expose him but not at her expense.  I've heard the term damaged and that is not how I describe or want my child to be describe by others. 

 

Any advice and your prayers are welcome. I'm angry, confused and sad! I do pray daily that he would be brave enough to take his own life but recognize that this is a low self  human who preys on children so praying that this coward become something other than the slime he is...is possibly unconceivable.  I hate this man and while I understand his family has very little to do with this..I pray bad fortune and happenings on them. I know this is not right but the hatred right now is what is keeping me strong.

Your emotions are completely normal for your situation.  However, some points I think should be made:

 

*The term 'damaged' should not be tossed around lightly, but you should find a way to see the truth in it.  Both you and your daughter HAVE been 'damaged' by this!  Your lives will never be the same again and your child's innosence is GONE.  There has been damage done...some not yet seen.

 

*Not sure of your daughters age but in my opinion...trying to protect her by not bringing this to trial sends her a mixed message.  A.  You are ashamed for folks to know and therefore she should be ashamed.  B.  She will blame herself (now or later) anyway, but by putting the shame out there like an elephant in the room will be 'proof' to her that it's all her fault.  20 years from now she may not remember how angry you are rite now, but she will know that you didn't bring him to trial.  How will she interpret that?  That she wasn't worth it?  That what he did wasn't 'that bad'?  SHE DESERVES her 'day in court' so to speak...she deserves to have this man put away for what he did to her and if trial is the only way to get him there...so be it.  And screw the 'small community'...let them think what they will cuz they WILL find out...sooner or later and if they find you 'wrong' for bringing him to trial...you don't need them!

 

I don't blame you for your anger at your husband but what did his family have to do with it?  Why are you wishing bad on THEM?   Hatred is keeping you strong?  Sorry but hatred destroys, not builds strength.  ANGER keeps you strong.  Injustice keeps you strong.  Even in some cases, revenge can keep you strong.  And your best revenge is to put this man away...take his a$$ to jail and have him put away for the maximum amount of time possible! 

 

The closeness with your daughter that you miss?  It sounds like you want to talk to her about this...like a friend?  She can't do that!  She is feeling guilt and shame and responsibility and her own anger and confusion.  She needs to lean on you, not hold you up.  Coming here and talking to us is much better than trying to talk to her!  She feels she took your husband from you.  She destroyed the 'family'.  Things will never be 'the same'.  She feels responsible for this and guilt and shame about it.  Best thing for you to do is try to keep daily life as 'normal' as possible.  Give her an extra hug now and then but treat her as 'normal' as possible.  Let her know you are there to talk to about ANYTHING...but don't push.  And take the S.O.B. to trial!!!

 

You asked for our advise and prayers.  This is my advise and I will send up the prayers.  I am a survivor so I speak from 'her side' of things.  I hope I didn't offend you.

 

Hugs, Sunny

 

    

 
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April 2, 2008, 12:50 am PDT

Beth???

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Thank you for being honest, the advice and a new perspective on things.  And more importantly, Thank you for the prayers to come:-)  Beth

Just checkin in with you to see how you are doin and what's happening.

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April 2, 2008, 12:52 am PDT

Ditch her!

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OK here is the deal and I wonder why I am so confused.   Ok I had been seeing this therapist for 2 months.  Everytime I go to her she makes me feel worse.  She had actually told me it was my fault for my parents abuse that I should of been more respectful and better kid.    Then last week  she had asked me if I was suicidal and i was being honest with her and said yes. Well her reply was that not to worry cause I didn't have the guts to kill myself letalone hurt myself.   and today there i was told that my emotions was stupid and not valid right now plus i was told that crying was not going to help me now.  I told her thats fine cause i haven't cried since i was 6 years old.    I have a question for all that reads this wouldn't you be confused??    I know I am very confused and at my witts end

 

Makayla

Time to get a new therapist...this one is a bitch!

In my opinion...she shouldn't even be practicing!

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April 4, 2008, 5:45 am PDT

Great news!

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A few weeks a go I met with my psychiatrist and told her more details about a gynecologist who did some very inappropriate things to me ( He had already done everything he was supposed to or needed.  I was ready to get up, but he told me that nothing bigger than a finger had probably gone inside of me.  Then he told me that he wanted me to know how it felt to have a finger inside of me and that he wanted to be the one to show me.  He stuck his finger in me a few times).  I was 18 them and I'm 26 now.  My psychiatrist told me that there was still something I could do so for 2 weeks I searched non-stop to find out his name( my parent's brought me to him, I didn't remember his name).  Then I went through the process of writing it all out and then calling to find out how to make the complaint, and then making the complaint and mailing it in.  After 6 days I've finally heard back from them.  They have my complaint and a investigator is looking into it right now!  I'll get a letter in 3-6 weeks telling me what is going to happen, if anything, which I hope will, but you never know for sure.  I'm just so happy that they didn't write back and tell me that I was wrong and they werent going to do anything about it.  Its being looked into.  I've been through this process before with other people who hurt me in childhood, but I've never been able to actually be involved in the process.  I was just told to be quiet to protect their reputations.  I've felt like an odd-ball and like things other people get to have just werent meant for me.  I don't want to hear the words- case closed, but I'm just happy it's gotten this far.  This doctor is the head and professor of 2 hospitals, including one for children.  Hes really high up.  If any of you pray, please pray for this and for me.  All of your support has really helped me this past month.  Its nice but sad to know there's others that feel the same pain and have known and been through the same type of things I have. 

 

Brooke

 

I can tell how relieved you are...that's great news!  Not tryin to burst your bubble, just be prepared to handle a bumpy ride goin through this!  You KNOW he's gonna fight this and with his position....could get ruff!  Just stand firm and fight for your rights. 

Prayin for you and hoping for the best.

Hugs, Sunny 

 
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April 4, 2008, 5:47 am PDT

Good for you!

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I did quite the Therapist and searching for a new one

 

makayla

I know thats tuff but hang in there, things will get better.  They couldn't get any 'worse' than havin someone like that in your life...geez!

Hugs, Sunny

 

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