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March 4, 2007, 11:40 pm PST

03/06 To Be a Child Star

 Anyone wishing to see how the majority of us live our lives then please come read and/or ask questions. Also other parents needing support and or guidance in the world of acting join us here:  http://forums.delphiforums.com/proactors          

 To have us on Dr. Phil would be boring. We lead normal everyday lives. Sports, school plays, play dates, holidays, youth groups... When most go to little league we head to an audition, or set. My Child's money has not been spent on frivolous cars, trips, or pedicures. To even think about that makes me laugh.  Sure you have some weird parents that dream unrealistic, or spend all the money, or spend money they don't have. But you have parents that do that in all walks of life.  

Please do not lump all of us in the same boat.

Because of acting my child has even been given the chance to help with more charities. She gives back. She knows she is blessed, and is very grateful. She has also been blessed to work with some extremely bright talented adults. For this I am grateful. Oh and her resume will help get into her choice college. 

Thank-you for letting me show my side a little.

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March 5, 2007, 10:02 am PST

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When my kids were little, I honestly don't think they would have gone along with it if I'd had my own agenda set up for them. They would tell me what they were interested in and then I'd get them signed up,etc... The only thing we insisted was that they finished what they started. They were both interested in different things when they were younger. I was there to assist them. How do parents get their kids to cooperate when the kids really don't want to do something that their parents have decided that they should be doing? I'm basing this on my experience of having to make my kids do things like homework,taking baths, getting to bed on time,etc... For example if I had decided that my son should be in the band(something that my daughter was very excited about) he would been a very unhappy camper. If I had insisted that my daughter take auto-body repair(something that my son excelled in) she would have wept. How in the world do parents succeed in having their children do activities that the kids are not interested in doing?

You bring up one smart question. (How do you make a child do something they don't want to do?) The answer is you can't. Well you can drive them to acting classes or dance or vocal training, but ya can't make them do a good job. Casting directors can smell a "stage" parent and/or a child that doesn't want to be there a mile away. A child that doesn't want to act will not get work. A child that doesn't want to be there will just go in and do a bad job. The parents are NOT in the casting room with the child, so you never really know how they do. 

  Let me ask this question to those of you that say kids might want to be a doctor, lawyer, dentist, pro ball player, or what ever. Well what about the ones that want to sing and dance? One has to direct their blessed children in the ways of their talents and gifts. (To quote another poster).

Another misconception is that we all just flock to LA without being prepared. Let me tell you this most of the kids are the big fish in their local pond. Most come here (LA or NY) with agents, managers or both. They have their SAG union card and have already been working in the local market. They are just moving up the ladder so to speak. Just like if you are going to the next level in a spelling bee, or Little League World Series, or science championship.

 YES there are a lot of scams out there. But there are also a great many of people/parents that help each other out. The PARF board is a great example of that. NOVEL idea why not do a show on how we help each other and how we stay clear of scams? Why not do shows on the scams? Ummmm?      http://forums.delphiforums.com/proactors 

 -KHillof4 

 

 

 
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March 5, 2007, 12:11 pm PST

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One of the biggest misconceptions is that we want our kids to be famous and that is the most important thing. That is not why I do this, it is not why children act. They act, sing or dance because they love the arts. They love to perform.  Being famous is what other people put on them. Yes being famous has it’s good side. Yes there are the red carpet events, travel, meeting talented people…

But you know what our children learn that life can be hard as well. They learn rejection. They know life is not all a bowl of cherries. You do not book every audition.

Sometimes being the actor means you miss a dance or football game. But on the other hand you might be able to play the star football quarterback, and the prom king, and the smartest guy in school.

Do your children watch The Suite Life of Zack and Cody,That’s so Raven, The Slumber Party Girls, or Hannah Montana? Without child actors these shows could not exist. 

You know in life there are people that grown up and make bad choices no matter what they do as a job. The percentages of child actors that grown up and do drugs or what ever are not as many as you would think. MANY go on to do jobs not in the public eye.  Many grow up to be happy well adjusted members of  Society.

 What about the kids in low income areas. Sadly they in general end up having the short end of the stick. There lives have a higher % of drug abuse, drop outs, teen pregnancyn than child actors. That is where we need to stress help! These are the children that need us.  Why not put our energy there.  
 
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March 7, 2007, 12:14 pm PST

How would you handle it?

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I have a six-year-old child who has all the right looks to be the next Dakota Fanning or Abigail Breslin.  She has the eyes of Anne Hathaway and beautiful golden locks.  She could become the next "it" girl.  Here's the problem; I don't want her there.  I'm not interested in making my child a dancing monkey for the masses.  Here's the OTHER problem; my relatives are getting on my nerves.  They talk about how she should be a model, how she should be in those horrid glitz pageants, and they do it in front of my beautiful (but tomboy-ish) nine-year-old.  Then they add that lame line, "Oh, and you're pretty too!"  I just want to slug them. 

 

How do I get these meddlesome relatives to stop making these comments when they think they're helping?  I've steered away from the discussions and tactfully changed the subject before it becomes what I know it's about to become, but it makes me mad they don't realize that saying these things in front of my equally talented and equally beautiful fourth grader is hurtful.  My mom used to make the same comments about my cousin, how pretty she was, how she belonged in pageants, etc.  It made me feel like crap.  She NEVER said anything nice about me.  I felt like a huge disappointment.  I wouldn't do that to one of my kids for all the world.  So, should I just be a rude b*tch and tell these relatives to "butt out" when they think they're being nice?  How would you handle it?

Well you yourself have said you know they are trying to be nice. This seems to hurt you due to what happened to you as a child. So have some backbone and tactfully say to them you believe brains are more important than beauty. Tell them you are pleased she she has both but prefer not to focus on the outer beauty.

Tell them your feelings on pageants.  Oh and I feel pageants are BAD.

 

Please everyone do not lump pageants in with ligit acting. Also most child modeling schools/classes are NOT legit.

 

Please everyone if you feel acting is not for your family, then great. But it is right for mine. My child goes to a college prep/art school make A's and B's. IS going to college. She is down to earth, sweet, plays sports, does local work, charity work and huge movies too. She has a trust fund as well. No one in our family or her friends treat her any different than anyone else. She wouldn't have it any other way.  We do not nor will will use the word "Star". She has been a child working actor on and off for many years.

 
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March 7, 2007, 3:44 pm PST

IndianaLadyBug:

"the only failure in life is not trying"       

   So true, well sad. Where would we be if people only stayed close to home, or only gave to their local area, or didn't try to advance?   What's so wrong with wanting to advance, or better yourself?   Where would this world be if when given the chance to grown and move up we didn't?  I teach my child to strive to do better in life than just average.

One other thing, we too believe that acting has to be fun. When the day comes it isn't we are out of here. 

 
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March 8, 2007, 9:23 am PST

"stop wasting money on agents, "

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 My main concern with the show was that everything was geared toward "fame." Not one of the children mentioned how much they loved singing, acting, etc... it was all: "I know I am gonna be famous."  We as adult push this on our kids.  Everywhere they look from People Magazine to Entertainment Tonight it's all about celebrity and money.  The kids should be acting in school plays and enjoying themselves while developing their talents.  Then when the child is older if the talent  and the desire is still there, let them follow their passions and the parents can help them if asked.  But while they are young, stop wasting money on agents, etc... (some of the amounts those families spent were disgusting!) and save that for their college fund!  Hillary Swank grew up here in my town and as a youngster starred in school productions and the local theatre guild.  She probably learned more there than she would have hearing some agent tell her things because they wanted her money.  And parents get a life ... kids should be home having regular meals and doing homework at a desk.   Let them act or sing in talent shows if they want but don't let your family's lives revolve around one child's dreams.  It is so sad, that it isn't enough to have a child that loves to sing, draw, play basketball, etc... some people want to have a "star."  I read where 80 percent of kids drop out of sports around 12 years of age because that's when teams start emphasizing winning and choosing players for "select" teams.   Kids who previosly loved soccer or baseball give up feeling they aren't "good enough".  We should be emphasizing fun and fitness not success.  No wonder we have a nation of overweight youngsters.  We definately have our priorities wrong and our kids are paying for it!

Legit agents  DO NOT COST money. If an agent ask you for money RUN don't walk.  True agents make their money when they get you an audition and you book it. Then they get 10%. A manager usually gets 15% or 20%. 

 

Questions about child acting can be answered here:  http://forums.delphiforums.com/proactors 

FREE site for parents of child actors, by parents of child actors.  Come in and say hi. You have to be nice though. 

 
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March 9, 2007, 10:24 am PST

Kids and charities.....

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First of all, you ARE the parent and have the control.  If you wanted, you could discourage her from doing this.  You are teaching her to value looks and fame over contributing to society with her brain by allowing her to continue this superficial crap.  It's a payoff to be related to someone famous, isn't it?  The point is, teach your kid to be well rounded, and not put all those proverbial eggs into one basket. 

 

Most of the stage mommies I read on this board are pretentious and overbearing, talking about who they know and where they go.  Everyone thinks their kid is special, big deal, who cares?  The pretentiousness really gets on people's nerves and the first impression they're going to have of you when you say your kid is an actor is that youre a "prissy little stage mom who promotes superficiality in their kids".  That's the first thought that pops into their minds.

 

Instead of the "me,me, me" attitude that fame brings (especially in the Mary Sarah case), why don't stage moms encourage community service and humility?  Look at Bono-he's a famous figure who uses his fame to the benefit of other people instead of sitting in an ivory tower (or ivory nightclub in Paris Hilton's case) wasting away on pot and alcohol?  Let's be real here and encourage the brains and interests besides acting to flourish.

http://bizparentz.com/care05_3769.jpg   See this picture? Everyone of these kids are working actors. They are at the C.A.R.E Awards in Los Angeles. They just received an award. Why am I bringing this up? The kids here are receiving the award because they did charity work and they are working actors. You see these kids do give back. My daughter has worked with Ronald McDonald House, Saint Peters Orphanage, St Jude, Animals charities, Katrina...and more. When you meet a parent or child actor don't automatically think they are narcissistic. YES SOME ARE. But you know what that baseball pitcher MIGHT be too. - A Stagemom -
 
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March 10, 2007, 8:17 am PST

WELL SAID teen actor and thanks bactphd95.

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It seems all of these posts I'm reading are from parents and most are from people saying how negative it is for these children to be actors. I guess I'm here to defend us child actors. I'm 17 and have been acting since I was nine years old. My choice by far. I had to beg my parents for years to let me be an actress before they finally agreed to let me get an agent. Gwarrior6 said "You ARE the parent and have the control. If you wanted, you could discourage her from doing this". I don't agree with that. My parents didn't want me to be an actress, but it was my dream and aren't parents supposed to encourage their children's dreams? I have always been the driving force behind my career, because this is what I want to do. As my mom says "she's just along for the ride", (in the sense she drove me to the audtions, supported me for as long as I wanted and if I ever wanted to quit all I had to do was say the word). Well quit isn't a word in my vocabulary. Acting is my passion and I'm lucky to have found something I am so passionate about at such a young age. Not only did acting allow me to have a very large savings account for college, it also helped keep me on track. I had goals. When I was in high school and the other kids started drinking, smoking, having sex, and getting into drugs, I had a goal that was way too important to me to risk for things like that. I worked hard through high school and graduated two years early. So for those of you who say child actors should be encouraged to use their brains instead of focusing on such a superficial career, we do use our brains. In fact, most the child actors I know are much smarter than other "normal" kids I know. And fyi for most of us kid actors, it isn't about the fame or money. We do this because it's what we love. If I never got paid another day in my life for the work I do, I wouldn't care, as long as I could be an actress.

Clap clap clap. You said it better than I. From the horses mouth so to speak.

 

These kids and families (on the show) that have gone wild are not professional actors.  They

are want-a-be's.  Professional kid actors for the most part don't act like that.  Nor do the parents. 

 

All children are special. Just because one acts doesn't give them the right to run the family. Families like that give us a bad name. It saddens me to no end.

 

bactphd95  Thanks for posting. I think we have made some headway here.

 

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