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March 20, 2007, 5:27 am PDT

03/20 "I Hate This Marriage"

It is beyond my comprehension why any woman with an ounce of self-repect would stay in a marriage with a man who runs around on her.  Why should either of these guys change?  They obviously enjoy what they do, and their wives have made it perfectly clear that they're willing to put up with anything and everything, just to hang on to their man.

 

If a wife wants to put up with that sort of crap ("sexual addiction" PUH-LEEZE!!), I guess that's her right, but then why complain about it?  When you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.

 

 

 
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March 20, 2007, 7:12 am PDT

03/20 "I Hate This Marriage"

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  3rd email!!  I can't live this way anymore. Each day I find out more and more about my husband's time, money, activities and communications with these and now even more prostitutes.  I'm so fearful of the disease, the fact that he's taking online purchased viagra and sexual enhancement products, even though he has full body rheumatoid arthritis, 2 artificial hips, high blood pressure and cholesterol (plus a multitude of medications for these ailments). I've been with him 26 years and love him with all my heart but am finding out more and more.  I've been up all night reading reviews, details and critiques of him with some of these women.  There is no protection used and the sex includes, everything, including oral (him and them).  My marriage is precious to me and he claims he loves me and wants to stay together and says he wants to stop but this is not the 1st time and this time it's been going on for at least 2 years.  there have been dozens of different prostitutes and continuous calls and text messages, plus emails back and forth to them.  The only way I can imagine stopping this horror is by professional help but there is no way of finding REPUTABLE therapists and the wrong one could do more harm..if that's possible.  I'm so afraid of him having disease and dying or of my dying as a result.  I don't want to live anymore.  The hurt and fear is just too much for me to handle.  PLEASE OFFER US SOME ADVICE.  This is the 3rd time I've written regarding this but never hear anything back.  I have no one else to turn to!


Your husband has unprotected sex with prostitutes, comes home and sleeps with you, and you "love him with all your heart"?  Your marriage may be precious to you, but it sure isn't precious to him.  The only way a therapist could help is if you BOTH wanted things to change, and it doesn't seem like he does - he just wants to keep his hustle going, and have you there to take care of him when he wants you around. 

 

You want advice?  Here it is - GET AWAY FROM HIM!!  He does not love you if he could expose you to an STD or a deadly disease - this is NOT your fault!!  You can love him all you want, but remember that your love cannot change him.  You owe yourself more than this.  I know it's not easy, but if you stay, things will just keep on the way they've been going, and you will be left with nothing.  Don't do that to yourself.  Good luck.

 
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March 20, 2007, 8:59 am PDT

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I certainly do not speak for all men, but I cannot be silent about this topic.  It is extremely embarrassing to me in that most of the posts identify behavior that is clearly wrong on the part of my fellow men.  There are no excuses.  This behavior (whether cybersex or prostitutes) has no redeeming feature and no excuse.  I find myself reading about enormous pain suffered by the victims of this and I almost have a need to apologize for it.  Unfortunately the only solution I can see is for men in general to wake up and see that this is not macho, but very juvenile.  I'll admit that it's probably a good thing the PCs weren't around when I went through puberty, but I can't come up with any excuse for a "man" to act like this.

I can't really believe that those who do these things really get what it does to their wives or girl friends.  I think I'll just sit here and shake my head.

I have to say that this sort of behavior is not confined to men - there are plenty of women out there who lie, manipulate, and use good and decent people for their own gain.  I don't believe that these people care at ALL about their spouses - they will SAY they do when they get caught, or when the spouse finally gets fed up and wants out - but that's just another manipulation to keep their victim around.  Users are very, very good at picking their victims, and know just what the victim wants to hear - "I LOVE you baby, please don't leave me, I'll be good, I'll change, I'm just SO SORRY I hurt you" and on and on it goes.  They don't mean a WORD of it!!

 

As disgusting and contemptible as I find these bottom-dwellers, I also get fed up with those of us who ALLOW ourselves to be victimized for years, and then want to cry and complain about it..  If you fling yourself down as a doormat, don't be surprised when you get walked on!

 

The wives on the show today need to take control of their OWN lives and stop trying to change men who don't want to change.  That's all they have control over - themselves!

 
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March 20, 2007, 9:39 am PDT

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Quote From: grjaadzack

Before judging women that stay with cheaters as being "doormats", I ask you to consider the fact that they love their husbands despite being hurt over and over and over again.  As an ex wife of a chronic cheater and liar, I know all too well how strong their mental power over you is when you love them so much you want it to work out.  They know how to take your emotions and feelings and twist them to get what they want.  You love your spouse, so you try to give him/her one more chance...and another and another and another, until one day something is the last straw, and somebody leaves for good or has no emotions left anymore.  Love is very, very powerful, and a lot of times cheaters use our love as a powerful mental and emotional weapon to keep us reigned in. 

I'm sorry if the truth hurts, and I don't mean to be unkind, but to stay with an ABUSIVE man for years, to tolerate bad behavior, to allow a man to have sex with strangers and then come home and have sex with you, thereby risking your own health and LIFE - because you "LOVE HIM" - is, as far as I'm concerned, being a DOORMAT.

 

Yes, manipulators are good at what they do.  They know how to take love and use it as a tool and a weapon to hurt those who are unfortunate enough to love them.  None of that negates the fact that we are responsible for our own lives and choices.  Love is very strong, yes.  But I don't believe we are powerless in the face of love, and most of us are smart enough to know when a relationship is abusive and destructive.  It is up to US to define the boundaries of what and WHO we will allow in our lives.  To let someone else have that control over us is just weak and irresponsible.

 

I'd also like you to consider all the women (my mother was one) who stay with an abusive jerk because they "LOVE HIM", and force their children to go for that destructive roller-coaster ride along with them.  There is supposed to be no more powerful love than that of a mother for her children.  A women who is willing to serve up her children on the alter of a destructive relationship because she "LOVES HIM" is, in my opinion, WORSE than a doormat.

 

 
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March 20, 2007, 10:31 am PDT

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Quote From: mw3kds

This is a real problem both men and women face. Sex addiction is real. I'm sure the media has done a terrific job of convincing you that its not. Porn is so mainstream now that for years I lived in denial about my husbands addiction. "All guys do it!!" "Men a just supposed to be pigs." This problem has nothing to do with the wives or sex  for that matter it has to do with filling a void. The husband has to acknowledege he has a problem and the wife needs to be a support for her husband if she chooses to stay.

I just love the way some people these days like to throw around the word "ADDICTION", like that absolves them of all responsibility for their crummy behavior.  "It's not MY fault that I look at porn every chance I get!  It's not MY fault I'm having cybersex and lying to my wife about it!  I'm an ADDICT!!  I'm in the grip of UNCONTROLLABLE IMPULSES!!  Poor ME!"

 

Here's a thought - how about having an a addiction to telling the truth?  How about an addiction to being an honerable, honest, human being?  How about an addiction to fidelity, and setting a decent example for your kids?

 

We all have voids in our lives - that's never an excuse to fill the void with any perversion your baser nature desires at the expense of those that love you.

 
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March 20, 2007, 12:20 pm PDT

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I have to ask - how is it "negative" to believe that a woman should not stay married to a man who will jump on top of any woman with a pulse at any opportunity?  Some of the women who have posted here and are married to this type of guy seem like lovely, caring ladies.  Why would you put up with this kind of behaviour?  What is the payoff for you?  I'm not being sarcastic, I just really don't understand. 
 
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March 20, 2007, 2:53 pm PDT

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Quote From: oldironsides

it sounds as though she may have some addiction problems.  I feel bad for you because Ive been on the other side of this equation.  there are many support groups out there that may be able to help you.  you might try checking out the groups coda, cosa or s-anon.  Do not be surprised if you are the only man there though. take care and I hope you can find some peace and some help.
ADDICTION problem?  Addiction to WHAT?  Bad behavior?  Lying and cheating?  Sounds more like a CHARACTER problem to me.  This woman is checked out of her marriage, and is having an affair with the other guy.  She's throwing the blame back on her husband because she feels guilty, as well she should.  The husband should get a lawyer, sue for full custody, and kick her to the curb unless and until she straightens up. 
 
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March 21, 2007, 9:29 am PDT

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Quote From: maria3255

Dear Candie, so sorry to hear of your problem. Please refrain from heaping judgement on your sister, as she may have a problem in her marriage. You say you love her, then please remain as a friend to her as she will need you in the time to come.  Please reserve your judgement as you will be her only true friend she can turn to. She will need counselling and therapy later. Let her know that you love her and that you will be there for her, she will need a shoulder to cry on. I thank God for my sisters when i had trouble with my first marriage as they stuck by me no matter what, even if they couldn't understand why I did at the time. I was suffering from severe depression. There are many reasons for going outside the boundaries, so please be a loving friend and support to her and her family. 

Love Lory 

There may be many EXCUSES for cheating, but NO valid "reasons", except "That's what I wanna do to make myself feel better, and to hell with anyone who has a problem wiith it".

 

I don't get the mentality that we're all supposed to accept the lousy behaviors of others, cause we don't want to make them "feel bad".  If you do something wrong you SHOULD feel bad, and the people who love you should love you enough to tell you so.  What about the kids in these situations?  Mom or Dad is stepping out with some stranger, threatening their well-being and security, and I guess they're just supposed to suck it up?  Please! 

 
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March 21, 2007, 10:13 am PDT

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Quote From: mw3kds

I AM MARRIED TO A SEX ADDICT!!!!!! I KNOW THAT THEY CAN CHANGE! It sounds like you are still angry and how good can your marriage be if you can't forgive him.

 

I never attacked you!!! I dont know why you attacked me. I have belonged to a support group for wifes of sex addicts and I have never been filled with so much anger as I have been filled with the two days I have participated in this message board with people who have no business putting in their two cents.

 

If you were supportive you wouldn't attack me.

Who are the people who have "no business putting in their two cents?"  The people that don't agree with you?  This is a PUBLIC forum - we ALL have the right to express our opinions here, whether you like it or not.  If you choose to stay with your husband that's your business - but don't make it everyone else's business and then expect them not to respond to what YOU put out there.
 
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March 21, 2007, 10:40 am PDT

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Quote From: oldironsides

There is a chemical change in a sex addicts brain that affects it like cocaine!  That is why several people I know that are cross addicted have said that quitting drugs was childs play compared to this (sex addiction).  There are numerous books on the subject of sex addiction, the most respected researcher is Patrick Carnes.  Before you go around making uninformed accusations about people you might want to get some knowledge about the subject first. 
I have news for you ironsides - sexual release affects EVERYONE's brain!  That's part of the reason we enjoy it.  Sex is not a chemically manufactured addictive substance like cocaine or heroin.  It is a normal, natural, enjoyable PART of life.  The only difference I can see between a "sex addict" and the rest of the world is that most of us know there is a time and place for sexual behavior, and sometimes we've just got to keep it in our pants and say NO - "sex addicts" don't seem to want to realize that.  So to them, I say "GROW UP!!!"  You need something to do with your hands?  Take up golf.
 

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