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April 14, 2007, 7:46 am PDT

Please Support Allison and Help bring her Babies Back!

I am all about adoption...I am personally involved in adopting a child soon...but I only support it when it is done in an ethical and morally sound way.  Here is a woman, who was extremely vulnerable...and malnourished.  She was sleep deprived and trying to recover from a c-section.  She was and is the only person who endured pure "hell" to bring angels into this world.  I feel that her babies need and love her and deserve to be with her again.  She needs to have tons of her supporters "show up", either through emails/letters or at court to surround her with tons of support and friendship.  I feel we need to right this wrong so it never happens to anyone else ever again.  She is a good person who simply needed time to make such a life changing decision.  I look forward to supporting Allison through as many court dates as it takes.  Please, if you believe in God, Pray for Allison and the babies.  The Judge could use your prayers too.  I believe Allison has been greatly wronged and justice will eventually be served.  I hope you feel the same way..If not I still respect your feelings.....

 
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April 15, 2007, 10:49 am PDT

Allison has been in jail too long......

Let's play pretend for a moment here.  Pretend you are the Judge over this "International Kidnapping" case and think about what you would do.  Would you sentence a woman to jail for trying to raise her children or would you come up with another solution?  I know if it were me, I would have given her home arrest and ordered tons of counseling.  But we are NOT the judges and so we need to respect the Judge's decision since he knows all the facts of the case.  That doesn't mean we can't do everything we can to let Allison know she is loved and supported.  She has a website, where people can post on a petition.  We can write her letters.  We can send letters to the Judge that are constructive and educated.  We can learn the laws of each state and how they affect adoptions.  We can Pray if we believe in that.  We can do a lot to make Allison know how much we care about her.  She is a WOMAN and she makes me proud to call myself that also.  She is a MOTHER and once again makes me proud to call myself that also.  She is a FRIEND and I have many friends also.  She is PERSON, A HUMAN, SOMEONE WHO MATTERS and someone who I feel doesn't deserve the treatment she is getting.  Why do we let things like this happen in our society?  Why don't we be more proactive and clarify laws and make it so that Adoption (which is amazingly wonderful thing) is fair to all parties involved.  If the birth mother chooses Adoption with a sound mind and body, then that is FAIR.  But if she is under duress and extreme stress, is that FAIR?  I know I would've made poor choices if I had just had a C-section, struggled to sleep and eat, been hormonally unbalanced, and lacked a well established support system of friends and family.  This is not to say Allison didn't have the support of her loved ones, I just think she needed them more.....  I have personally given birth to twin boys.  Like Allison, they were both breech.  They were both C-section and the recover was extremely difficult and long.  I lived, breathed, and did nothing else but care for those babies.  They had a lot of medical problems and it was scary when they would stop breathing, but I treasured them then, just like I do now.  My mother basically moved in with my husband and I and one day ( a few days into the horrendous schedule of taking care of newborn twins) she woke up and said, "I'm leaving and I'm not coming back."  Of course that wasn't the case, she showed up a week later, well rested and everything was fine.  Thankfully my husband got laid off from his job at that time, and all three of us were able to kindof make things work-but even then we had countless friends and family come over to hold and care for the babies.  After that, I knew it would be several years before I dared get pregnant again.  The twins were not invitro and my fertility is such that I knew twins were a super high possibility again.  So, when the twins were 4 I began being open to getting pregnant again and happily I quickly became pregnant.  The baby, though, was not developing properly and I "just knew" something was "wrong."  The doctors told me he had club feet and it didn't look like he even had hands.  They thought he might have Trisomy 18, since the original blood work came back positive for that fatal disease.  Thankfully, he didn't have that but the doctors told me to gear up for some kind of similar disease.  I experienced prenatal and mild postpartum depression.  I remember my doctor would come to check on me after delivery each day, and each day I told him emotionally I just don't quite feel right.  After three times he said, "Let's get you treated because if we don't, Post Partum Depression will only get WORSE, not better."  SO I said great, although my husband was extremely resistant to the idea.  I can tell you now, that without counseling and medication it WOULD HAVE GOTTEN WORSE.  But instead, it never really got bad at all.  I am one of the lucky ones, though.  I recognized the signs, because while I was pregnant I read the book, "Down came the Rain" by Brooke Shields.  I feel she empowered me to recognize the symptoms and get help quickly.  What a blessing in my life.  But what would or could have happened if I personally didn't recognize the signs and tell my doctor that I needed help?  Allison has said she had PPD and didn't recognize it until much later.  That is so sad to me.  If doctors had followed up super closely maybe this wouldn't have happened.  We will never know.  I do know the doctors are not mind readers though, and we have to be the ones who express our needs to them.  In this case, it didn't turn out like mine.  That makes me sad for Allison.  Does she deserve to be in jail, for making poor decisions?  I don't know.  All I know is she is a WOMAN, and a MOTHER who desperately needed tons of help and love.  I hope you will think about her situation when you JUDGE her.  I know I do-because I lived a similar experience firsthand.  May we all remember we are just doing our best to make it in the world.  I feel everyone has VALUE and can make a meaningful and amazing contribution to our society.  Thanks for reading my thoughts.  You have VALUE to me!
 
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April 17, 2007, 8:50 am PDT

Can we please try to keep this board constructive and respect each other's opinions....

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Wow, youre really thinking with your uterus today!  And hating on me, i can see...LOL!

 

If you look at my previous posts, I was alluding to the poster who was emphasizing that HG is NOT a mental illness, which it's not.  I was offering different suggestions as to HOW a woman with this illness could do what she did.  The show was highlighting women with HG and the focus was on this woman who had it AND did this very rash thing.  That's NOT typical with women with HG.  She looked unstable, and not every woman who has this disease IS unstable, so other viewers could get the wrong idea about this disease.

 

My point IS, there are other ways of getting your kids back than just taking them.  She could have sued for custody.  She could have sued the adoption agency.  She could have done a myriad of things other than what she did.  Like Dr P said on the show, "Aren't all bets off when you go and take the kids"?  That wasn't a rational decision.

 

We're all entitled to our opinion.  This board is rife with women who support Allison 100%.  She's got a lot of support already.  I'm trying to think about this from another point of view-the kids.  It's in their best interest to be in a stable environment, and if the mom isn't stable, she should get treatment and get them back.

 

 

I don't feel that saying "you were speaking with their uterus" is very productive or courteous.  I absolutely agree with you that this message board has many supporters of Allison and I can definitely see that you have very valid and good points.  I like Dr. Phils analogy of "Solomon's wisdom" since we can clearly see that these children are surrounded by good people on all sides who want to raise them.  But to say something like that tells me you are getting defensive and upset by other peoples posts.  Why can't we all just get along??????? 
 
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April 17, 2007, 1:45 pm PDT

When you play with fire...you are likely to get burned.....

When you come to a message board like this, I suppose you can expect people not to get along.  I guess in my naivity, I thought this would be a place where we can all express ourselves and be respected and enlightened by each others opinions.  I personally come to this particular board because I do fully support Allison.  That is not to say that I don't support the Needhams.  It is just to say that I personally believe the beginning way the Adoption was created was not ideal/ethical.  The problem is, as time goes on the case of these people gets increasingly complicated.  Like people have said, these children have bonded with the Needhams.  Several Judges have found it in the best interest of the children to stay with them.  And there are facts that support both sides of the case.  I simply feel the adoption never should have happened in the first place.  But it did.  We all need to remember that everyone here on this board is trying to decide for themselves what they think the best solution to this case is.  Every one of us has had different experiences in our lives, which make our perspectives 100% different (even if we all either support reunification or not.)  So , please try to remember that other people's opinions matter.  Even if we don't agree, it shows good character to respect and appreciate different points of view.  I hope you know that I honestly appreciate all of your comments since I am always open to new points of view. 

 
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April 17, 2007, 3:47 pm PDT

I like that Title..Just the fax...What are the Facts of this case?????

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Acts of impulse can be construed as judgment.  For example, if you veer your car off the road to avoid hitting another car to both minimize the damage to the other car and minimize the damage to your own car.  It's impulse, a survival mechanism.

 

If you think youre going to die, and have little to no support from a boyfriend, no family around, you'd want to ensure the survival of your offspring, right?  It's better than leaving them by the side of the road to rot.  Granted,it would have been better if she had worked out who would get the kids in the event of her death during the pg, but that's what we have. 

 

First impressions are judgments and we can evolve them.  Ideas are our judgments of the world and what we learn about it.  Does that mean we should stop having ideas?  Nah!  Being sensitive to everything denies a creative outlet, which stunts society instead of evolving it.  But they're just ideas, and you can change an idea.

Whenever a lawyer is preparing for a case, they assimilate the facts and basically create a timeline of the events that occurred.  My impression of the facts are as follows:

Allison was a success College graduate and employee.  She was married and then later divorced (according to her because he didn't want kids).  She went through 3 years of invitro to get pregnant.  She got hyper emesis while pregnant.  She lost an enormous amount of weight and struggled through a c-section and required blood after.  She had a boyfriend who was related to the Adoptive Family.  They were interested in adopting the twins.  At six weeks old she signed the initial paper and they came and got custody.  She immediately changed her mind and was soon in a horrible, lengthy legal battle.   She took the children to Canada and was found and charged with International Kidnapping.  She is in Jail awaiting trial.  She was featured on the Dr. Phil show and other programs.  People seem to take one side or the other of the issue..not many people have no opinion when they hear about the case.  What are your thoughts on these facts?  Are they accurate?  I would love to hear your thoughts on the case.

 
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April 17, 2007, 8:46 pm PDT

Wouldn't you say the Reason for this Message Board is to Talk about our Opinions on the Case...

I am going to spell out exactly what I think about the case.  Feel free to disagree-this is America.  I feel Allison was horribly sick (mentally (temporarily) only by the physical illness and medications) and needed a major support system.  From what I understand, her sister lives in another state and is a single mom.  I think Allison wanted desperately to be a mother and I feel she is the MOTHER to the twins.  I think Allison made some very poor choices but I completely understand why she did and therefore should still remain the twin's full custodial mother.  I am sure many of us know of divorce situations where the mother is still "the mother" yet she doesn't retain physical custody of the children.  If I were the Judge, she would regain full custodial rights.  Why is that?  Because she was under EXTREME DURESS AND STRESS and no one should be held accountable for making such a life changing decision without their full mental and physical strength and consent.  Here was a woman who needed help.  She was exhausted, I know first hand how difficult it is to deal with newborn twins ( Mine are six years old now) and she was experiencing a difficult recovery from a C-Section.  She meets all the criteria I was use to define someone as "under duress."  So there is my opinion...You don't have to convince me that she is the first victim and her twins are the second of a sad situation.  They deserve to be together and I personally feel strongly her case will be overturned and she will regain full custody. 

 
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April 18, 2007, 9:31 am PDT

I like your thoughts on that...Allison does still need help from Counseling and Supporters

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I agree that the terms of the adoption were specious and a bit underhanded on the Needhams part.  I think that any judge could look at it and tell that Allison signed the documents while in a state of not being mentally and emotionally capable to do so.  It's evidenced by the 911 call, the fact that she signed the documents more than once, and that she took the kids. 

 

Now, while all this is dragging on, and I can tell, it will.  Where are the twins supposed to go?  They need care from someone.  The adoptive parents should have temporary custody until the terms of the case are decided. 

 

The mom needs to gain back her strength before she should pursue this lengthy legal case.  Right now, she's so physically depleted, not to mention any traces of Post Partum or PTSD that may be left from the ordeal, that trying to get the children would be a futile attempt.  They'd take one look at her and see that she's "not fit", and the kids go into foster care.  The woman just needs medical attention and professional help before she goes thru even more physical and psychological torture trying to get the kids back.

 When I saw her on the Dr. Phil show she looked so "down beaten" and sad.  I know that I personally suffered from Mild Post Partum Depression and it took 18 months of medication and counseling before I was "symptom" free.  I have long thought that Allison was under extreme fatigue, duress, and stress when she placed these children for adoption.  I remember after having my second C-Section I had an extremely difficult recovery.  I delivered on Monday, was sent home from the Hospital on Friday, and within hours of returning home I was taken by Ambulance to a local hospital for Severe Dehydration.  The doctors thought I had a blood clot, which was scary.  But it was just extreme exhaustion combined with trying to nurse a baby who had a "tiny mouth" (part of his overall disabilities) and lots of the "d" word (or runs as some people say.)  I was overweight and that didn't help the recovery.  I remember when they loaded me in the ambulance I truly thought I was going to die.  My body was soooo depleted and it was so scary.  I remember not being of "sound mind" also.  Not to say that I was crazy, because I wasn't.  I just remember being soooo malnourished, drained, and exhausted.  The normal blood loss didn't help at all.  I remember having heart palpitations like crazy.  My poor body struggled so badly.  I am sad as I think back to how much I suffered.  I am grateful, sooo grateful, that it is a hidden, distant memory because thoughts of how much I suffered make getting pregnant again a very scary thing.  I want more children, but I have suffered so much.  My twins choked and turned blue so often it got to the point where it didn't even phase me anymore.  I just dealt with it.  It wasn't until they were 5 1/2 and they had their tonsils out that they stopped choking.  My baby still chokes easily, and it scares me.  He will have his tonsils out next month, which is a good thing but the recovery is a nightmare.  It is soooo painful and I hate to see my children suffer.  When he had his club feet correction surgeries, it was so painful and he lived off major pain killers for a week.  No parent wants to see their children suffer.  I know that GWarrior is right.  The Kids need to be with someone who is of sound mind and spirit.  I am assuming that Allison will get tons of evaluations by the court and hopefully tons of counseling.  She has been through the "wringer" and only time and tons of love and support can attempt to heal those enormous wounds. 
 
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April 18, 2007, 10:05 am PDT

I can't believe how much these women suffer..I thought my situation was bad...

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I am a mother of 4 children including a set of twins who suffered from severe hyperemesis with all my pregnancies. The 1st was a son and I was 30. I vomited 10 - 12 times a day and was admitted to the hospital several times for IVs. My 2nd was a daughter and although unimaginable, things were worse with this one and I spent the majority of my time on the bathroom floor attached to an IV for hydration and sustenance as I couldn't even keep water down. I lost 30lbs with this pregnancy and was sick right through the delivery. Immediately after delivery I was fine & right back to eating. I decided to have my tubes tied as it was inconceivable that I could go through that ever again. When my daughter passed away at the age of 3, I considered having a segregate to have another child but was told by the Dr that most likely this pregnancy would be fine and if not that the treatment options were much better and the hyperemesis would be able to be controlled. I had artificial insemination and was pregnant with identical girls & fraternal boys. Sick from week 3, I had a main line IV inserted into my neck and began the search for a treatment for the hyperemesis. I carried all 4 for 18 weeks at which time the Drs. insisted on a reduction of the identicals due to a twin to twins transfer in which 1 was severely under developed & the other severely over developed. From week 3 - delivery (8 weeks early) I never ate a bite of food and even a sip of water would come back up. I was 40 when Ben & Matt were delivered and thank God they were very healthy at 4 lbs 3 oz & 4 lbs 7 ozs. I am not sure why this happens but know that I feel the urge to vomit when I see a pregnant woman after having 3 of the worst pregnancies imaginable. I look forward to seeing the show to see if there is an explanation as to why this occurs and if the treatments 8 years later have gotten better results. I feel for any woman who has this experience and hope they too find answers from your experts. Shelley, CT
Oh my gosh, this posting makes me so sad.  She had a baby, then lost her second at age 3.  Then had four babies, and was forced to "reduce" down to two.  I can't imagine harder decisions.  I personally know a girl who was pregnant with triplets and the doctors advised her to "reduce" to twins also.  The girl refused and it turned out horribly.  The baby girl the doctors told her to "reduce" eventually died anyway (in utero) and then the baby made it so the boys were born at 24 weeks.  They barely survived and same with the mother.  I admire anyone who makes it through situations like this.
 
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April 18, 2007, 1:03 pm PDT

Are any of you out there writing letters to her in jail besides me?

I try and write her once a week...does anyone else?
 
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April 18, 2007, 1:20 pm PDT

Hey! You have that amazing website link here in your post.....

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Let's see - take advantage of a woman who was ill, refuse to do the right thing and give them back when she changes her mind immediately and the 'adoptive' parents have not yet signed or filed the papers - less than 24 hrs later, then bring trauma on the children by taking them from the mom they have bonded with for over 10 months (9  months before birth), refuse to allow the mother visitation as the court said, then keep fighting in court for years until the mother cracks and ends up in jail out of a desperate attempt to 'protect her kids'... Now keep the kids because this has been going on so long --- oh and send the mother away to either be childless or try and adopt a child of her own. Oh wait - she can't - she is broke from the legal bills and totally devastated. The Needhams now have 3 kids, and Allison - none (well, actually minus 2). Gosh, that seems like justice to me - don't you think!?! NOT! That is not logical or rational!

That is exactly what keeps the money in the adoption firms hands - taking advantage of mothers who can't fight back or litigating it until the mother breaks or is broke financially. It's a hard reality, but go to some of the adoption sites and read about this practice - or read some of the books on adoption. It's a tactic they use intentionally. I have done some digging in order to understand this case, and I tell you - this is just another case adoption 'professionals' don't want to lose - especially now that it is in the media. If they can't make the natural/biological mom look crazy and unstable (even when she is not) - they lose public support. They don't want to be seen as villains - they want to keep their image as hero's who save babies from abusive or incompetent mothers.

But... Now there is Allison... Let's take this mom who is older, has (or had) money, and did fertility for an intentional pregnancy - NOT your stereotypical mother giving up a child for adoption. She doesn't fit the profile - people can't 'judge' her for being poor, young, underprivileged or whatever they expect a mom to look like. This makes it harder to accept taking her babies away and saying it is for the best. There is no justifying this removal of kids. So, how do they get people to buy into this 'adoption' - there is no reason to say this is ok except some ridiculous technicality of the law that was probably put there by someone who benefits from adoption - or someone makes money from these situations.

People must realize that there has to be some other issue causing her to make a decision most of us wouldn't. There has to be more to this - a mom doesn't go through fertility for years then give up her kids without some pressure or threats - those obviously did not last after she signed since she said no immediately. Can anyone shed more light? Maybe that boyfriend? Probably not since he was driving her there. However, it sounds like he didn't want her to have the kids since he took her there. Anyone know why? I wonder if the 'adoptive' parents pressured her? Or, we go back to the attorneys since that seems to be what other women say - they were coerced.

Somehow, in order to keep the kids, the family with the kids has to make Allison look like an unstable nut case so they will keep the kids - even if it is wrong to do so. Oh and along the way,  don't allow visitation so she goes weeks without visits - and feels intensely desperate to be with the kids she is scared of being in the hands of people who may not have their best interest in mind (evidence - they would not return them when she asked them immediately - that is cruel). When she finally can't take it anymore and probably feels she won't see them again, she runs - what pretty much any scared mother would do - and then she is portrayed as crazy and a kidnapper. I see their logic, but it's cruel logic. Her act of running - right or wrong - is not an unusual thought in that situation. I ask what you would do.

Oh and did anyone notice how many other missing kids are out there - many - sadly! Why are the parents who abducted them not in jail or being pursued by the FBI? Seems strange that this mom is getting the royal treatment by law enforcement. Check out missingchild.worldpress.com - they have some interesting articles on this mom. One mentions that astronaut in TX who is facing 3 felonies - she is out on bail, but this mom is still in jail. Why? Seems odd to me. Ideas anyone?

I feel we do have to take a step in her shoes before we judge. For some reason only she can say, she strongly felt the kids needed protection. Doesn't someone want to ask why? I wish she had said on the interview. I want to know. She waited over a year and a half for the court to settle this - and it's still going.  Why doesn't everyone (besides the other family) see this huge injustice to her?

I was neutral at first but have read and watched this long enough to see the big picture and can't believe our court system is not resolving this before the lives of this mother and her twins are forever severed - or they are traumatized terribly. As a mom, I can't imagine not being with the kids I went through so much to have. I would feel desperate and frustrated and confused. I don't know what I would do. But I'm not sure I could sit and wait for years while my kids grew up and I was missing more and more of their lives and losing more connection with them. They are her kids. Is that not our right as a parent - to raise our kids? Maybe she was sick at the time, but that doesn't give others the right to take them away forever. Give her treatment and give her kids back. She is their mother.

Time is ultimately irrelevant in this case - you don't right a wrong by doing something else wrong - what is the point of having a justice system then?
Hey Everyone!  If you go to the website link that in is red on this post...you will read the most amazing articles on details surrounding this case...I love it when other people think like I do!  Thanks for posting that!
 

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