Messages By: pm2kar

You ain't seen nothing yet. Spend some time in South Dakota. You won't believe how they sensationalize sex offender cases up here. I've not heard names and addresses given out routinely over the radio every day....yet....but if some honcho reads about Texas doing it, I guarrantee they'll push for doing the same thing here. This Republican conservative majority state is laughable at the ways they try to invent to interfere in other people's lives.

I feel terrible for what's happened to this woman. When this is all said and done, should not only finish her lawsuit againist that biased school district. she should also go after each and every one of those little liar's families and sue them 'till hell wouldn't have it. Then, take her winnings and leave that redneck town forever. And, oh yes. Make the school district AND those liar's families take out full page apologies and retractions in every newspaper in the state for what they put her though and ADMIT their viscious lies.

To me, that would be a great start.

"Just because she spent a bunch of money on a high priced lawyer to get her acquited does not mean she's innocent. "

Is that so? I'm pleased you're not a judge. Or are you? Having a high-priced lawyer ALSO doesn't mean she was GUILTY, either. If she'd had some idiotic court-appointed hack, I'd just about guarrantee the only thing that wouldn't have happened to her was that she would've been flogged in the town square. Those boys lied through their teeth, period!

I couldn't agree more. Dr. Phil was WAY out of line on this one. He, nor anyone else, has the right to say ANY man has to go along with a woman that suddenlt changes her mind. She knew the score going in. Live with it, lady, or find another husband. If it were me in this situation, and the ultimatum was getting you pregnant or you would leave me, I'd help you pack your bags and escort you to the door.

WAY off base, Dr. Phil. Men have almost no power in today's society. Don't exacerbate the situation by telling these men they have to go along with what is nothing less than FRAUD! If this were happening to me today, I'd trade a wife or woman trying to corner me into having kids I didn't want, along with 19 years of outrageous child support, in a New York minute.

FINALLY, someone with a backbone that's posting on here. What I have to say will probably never make it past Dr. Phil's feel-good, spare the rod censors,but I'll try, anyway. It's way past time for a more old-fashioned view..

There is one underlying fact causing all these "wars" with kids, and that's that fact that Social Services and the government have taken away a parent's right to PARENT. You can't spank'em, you're not supposed to raise your voice, you can't make them do what they don't feel like doing. You have to "reason" with them.

Ever see someone try to reason with a 5 year old? It's hilarious and tragic at the same time. You start teaching consequences for bad behavior before the age of 5, so they won't turn out like this spoiled delinquent did. Oops, you can't do that anymore, can you? I forgot. You can't teach consequences for bad behavior. That's "abuse." You have to try talking them to death.

Your kid can hold you hostage in your own home, because he or she can call the police or CPS if they get mad at you for some reason. Your life will end as you know it when that happens. CPS doesn't care if what they hear is true. It happened to a close friend of mine several years ago, and he nearly went broke defending himself over false allegations. That's a story for another day, because Dr. Phil thinks the sun rises and sets in that organization.

Personally, Dr. Phil has lost a a fan here. Though I've never watched every show, I used to like the show, but all this psychobabble is getting stale for me. What needs to happen is for Social Services and the feminazis that run it need to get OUT of the household. You can't set limits for children because that could be construed as "abuse."

When I grew up, (I'm 56), we had limits and we had rules. Step over the line or break the rules and you risked a good ass-whipping. It's obvious it never happened to this kid back when it should have. There, I said it. Whiners need not write me back.  I don't want to to hear that it's barbaric, cruel, or anything else. There is a time to talk and there is a time not to. With all of today's out of control kids, I don't see much help coming from expensive shrinks. The right to discipline needs to be given back to parents. No respect for authority is taught to kids today. They think, and rightfully so, they can do, say, and get away with almost anything.

You could only WISH for a shrink when I was young. You obeyed the rules or else, plain and simple. That handfull of spankings I got as a kid didn't make me into an axe murderer. Of course, the good Dr. won't agree with me. I realize that.  But, it DID teach me there were consequences for my actions. That is sorely lacking today. This kid needs to be put into a ring with someone a little tougher than he is and run his mouth. It's a good way to learn that not everyone will put up with his marlarkey. A little old-fashioned justice, instead of a vacation to Texas.

That kid is old enough to know right from wrong. As for hitting his parents, He's lucky it's not me he did that to, because he'd only try it once. He'd have had  his step-dad's walking stick broken over his backside, the threat of jail be damned. NO parent needs to put up with that. If I'd have been dumb enough to take a swing at a parent as a youngster, I would have deservedly been waking up probably in the next county, You didn't THINK of doing that back then. Cussing your parents? Not a chance, or at least not within their earshot. You surely did know better, because a mouth-soaping would be been getting off easy.  Yes, yes, yes, I can hear all the indignation and whing already. Forget it. It's falling on deaf ears.

I remember being around 5 or 6 and throwing a screaming tantrum in a store with my mother, because she wouldn't buy me some toy, I think it was. By the time she got done with me ON THE SPOT, I knew I'd never do it again.  I won't go into what happened when my father found out after I got home. You can take it to the bank that I never did it a second time. I didn't DARE to. Instilling a little healthy fear in a youngster never killed one that I ever knew of, and it never killed me, either. It didn't happen often, because I usually got 2 chances to straighten up. If not, the consequences were my fault. I didn't get sent to a shrink. I got sent to my room for you-know-what.

The power to parent needs to be given BACK to parents. That mother is a raving lunatic because that kid can drive her to exasperation, get away with it, and he fully knows there are NO repercussions for doing so. She's the one I feel bad for, not the kid. It's the fact parents of today have their hands tied by society that's causing problems like the ones in that household and many others like it today.

I can answer you in one sentence, though I'll probably be windier than that. Sorry! And yes, I was fairly irritated after watching the segment.

I agree with some of what you said here, but know this. A threat of any kind, if it's not carried through, is like trying to get a strainer to hold water. It's meaningless. Maybe an "ass whipping" isn't the term of today, but, other than the occasional swat, I got my share of the other sometimes. It would no doubt get both my parents locked up today, easily. My father was a cop back then. You stayed out of trouble because if you embarassed him, God help you. Henceforth, I generally kept my nose pretty clean. Back in those days, anyway, you couldn't do anything to a cop if you wanted to. If I'd have called the police because I got my butt beat, I shudder to think what would have happened once he got wind of it and arrived home. Calling the cops in those days, and in my situation, would have profoundly redundant.

I may have illustrated my younger days a bit too vividly for most people on here today, but that's the way it was. I went to school with many a kid that got it worse than I ever did. When you were filing through the gang showers after gym class in Junior High, (no private stalls in those days!), you couldn't help but notice who made his dad mad the night before, or maybe was unfortunate enough to come home with a less than stellar report card. It wasn't just for disrespect that youy got it for in many households. Trust me.

There was always one, and many times, several guys sporting a buttload of bruises. You also knew better than to say anything to them about it, because you could wind up in a viscious fistfight. We just took it as a part of growing up. It was there, it was done. End of story. Granted, it's more than too heavy-handed today, and no, I don't agree with that kind of severity, then or now. I DO believe, however, the option SHOULD be available as a last ditch tool to use. Just to a more reasonable degree.

Too rough for your taste, you say? I agree. Both my parents had FOUL tempers. When things were good, they were very good. They just didn't stand for guff. ANY guff. Though he doesn't remember saying this many years ago, (he's now 82, and still pretty sharp), he once looked me straight in the eye and said, "You will either fear me, or you will respect me." He didn't care which it was, but it WAS going to be one or the other. In truth, I did both at times. Being a cop was one of the poorest payiing jobs in the '50's and early 60's, until the union came in. Not worth getting your head shot off for.

I had the show recorded and I watched it a second time. It does appear the mother has problems, but the kid exacerbates them. That much is clear to me. And all the rules in the world mean nothing if they are not enforced. All I can say is this family as a whole is in serious trouble.

But, when it comes to Social Services, sorry, my friend. You're preaching to the choir.  Yes, the law SAYS you can discipline your kids. But try telling those jackbooted feminazis at CPS that. I've seen firsthand the carnage they wreak. I'm NOT wrong.

That organization needs an exterminator to clean out the vermin. It answers to no one, and God help you if they get into your life. I saw what they did to a late friend of mine over accusations that were later proved to be false. He nearly went bankrupt clearing his name.

There are hundreds, if not thousands of documented cases on the 'Net from all over the country of how CPS often manufactured problems where none existed, simply to save face. No, my friend. As far as I'm concerned, they can tie them all together and use them for barracuda bait in the Florida Keys. People who are liked generally don't hide behind armed security guards, magnetic locks, bulletproof glass, unlisted numbers and fake names. They do. They barge into a family's life, often on unsubstantiated accuations. When they get it wrong, their victims have no recourse. Nope, they have no friend here, now or ever.

This has been a very entertaining debate. If I offended anyone, they have my apologies. That was never my intent.

I know I could keep this going, but all I'm going to say is that I don't agree with much of what you say here. If you got left with panic attacks, you have my sympathy. I never did. If you don't believe a whack on the butt is occasionally the last resort, so be it. I do and I always have. standing a kid in a corner and all that you said might work...for awhile. Then what? As I said in an earlier post, do you  think you can talk them to death? That's all that's left to parents today,  As for CPS, there are more women than men doing it. I don't want to get started again. I resent the hell out of them for what they did to a late friend, which I've already described earlier.

You believe one way, I believe another. If it works for you, more power to ya.