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March 27, 2008, 4:49 pm PDT

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Hi, I hope I've put this in the right place. This is my first post ever. 

 

 I’d really like to hear your thoughts on my relationship with my sister.

 

All throughout our adult lives, we’ve had a very strained, superficial(?) relationship. If I get mad at her, and try to talk about it - she shuts me out for a couple weeks. If she get’s mad at me, she’ll first tell me how she feels, then shuts me out. There literally is no room for dialog. She freezes you out, shuts you down, and ignores you until she’s forgotten about the matter.

If either Dad or I try to make plans with her (for birthdays, holidays, etc.) we call at least 3 months in advance....as per her request. Unfortunately, by the time the big day arrives (as well as the confirmation call the week before) she’s already forgotten about it and then get’s mad at us for "not giving her more advance notice".

I’ve noticed that when we’re together doing something (like christmas shopping) she visibly suffers through it. Like it’s an obligation she just couldn’t get out of. She snaps at everyone around me (clerks, waitresses, other drivers) and pointedly ignores me. It’s pretty obvious who she’s annoyed with but when I ask her about it, she blows me off. Refuses to talk.

For years, I’ve been walking on eggshells around her, saying yes whenever she asked for something, and doing whatever I could to break through that WALL.

She’s often made derogatory comments to and about me. Then called me a "drama queen" when I’d react. The one thing that was always in the back of my mind was, "Why can’t you love me the way I am? Why can’t you even like me?" It’s been very heartbreaking to be treated like this by someone who I’ve loved and supported since she and I were both children.

Recently, however, I think I (finally) reached my breaking point.

After telling her I couldn’t do something for her (the first time ever I said No to her), she sent angry, accusing text messages, called me to tell me how much I let her down, until finally, after 3 weeks of this, I stopped taking her calls and refused to answer any texts or e-mails from her.

Over the past month, I’ve been closely examining my relationship with her and I don’t know why on earth I’ve put up with this crap for so long. I’m amazed at how angry this has made me.

I’m thinking about cutting ties with her. (I’m that mad) For the moment, I’m just taking some much needed space from her before I made a final decision.

What would you do? And is there anyone out there who is going through the same thing with their sibling??

 
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March 27, 2008, 4:58 pm PDT

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On Tuesday evening my husband pitched a fit over nothing that I know pf he says he don't know either I get scared of him and I believe I hate him for belittleing me in front of the kids it wasn't my choice to start raising 2 young kids at the age of 50 and he is 58 his family has nothinhg to do with him I now know why he ruined by bible and sundayschool book when he thru tea all over the place. I guess talking to my self will get it out of me I know I deserve better that this it will come i must wait.

I hate controling men

Do you think he's be open to couple's therapy? Or even just seeing a therapist by himself?

Are you open to these things?

 
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March 27, 2008, 8:18 pm PDT

exhausted? that's ok. Take a break.

I have depression & I thought I'd offer a bit of advice to friends and family of anyone with depression.

 

    If you are trying to help someone who is depressed, please keep in mind that obsessive behavior goes hand-in-hand with depression and the person you're trying to help may start leaning on you way too much. Please know that it's ok to take a step back and take a break from it. Just be very clear with the person you're helping or they'll start obsessing over the idea that maybe you don't like them anymore.

I have a unique viewpoint in that I'm depressed and also helping a friend with more severe depression than I have. I have to be very careful that she doesn't start bringing me down too when she's in black moods or obsessing about some guy at the grocery store that she likes. And visa versa when I get hung up over problems with my family. 

We both established early on in our friendship that we would take breaks from each other and that would be ok. It's been working great so far. (fingers crossed)

 

 

 
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March 27, 2008, 8:29 pm PDT

03/27 "Get Your Act Together!"

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This is a NON-ISSUE.

 

It is NOT the kids' fault. They had great training how to be losers from their parents!

 

The kids can't be bums and deadbeat and losers without the permission of their PARENTS.

 

The parents own the homes and the cars. They have the keys. They can lock doors.They can phone the police.They can press trespassing charges if they must.

 

It's NOT rocket science. Raise your children correctly and they will WANT to fly. Give them wings. Don't abuse them by raising them poorly so they don't have any respect for you or your property!

 

I am SO TIRED OF LOUSY PARENTS. You got what you raised. DEAL WITH IT!

Yes!

*standing ovation*

 

You're right, it is not rocket science. This should be a no-brainer for all parents.

 

(just had to jump in and applaud you. I've enjoyed reading your posts in this topic)

 
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March 29, 2008, 1:02 pm PDT

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I think it is AWESOME that youve finally realized that you dont have to tolerate being emotionally abused by your sister! Congratulations to you; this is long over due. As for your decision, to officially cut her off or not- do you think that decision is important? Why not just allow things to remain as they are?

My advice to you is this: if she sends you mean emails, etc., do not respond. It would even be great if you didnt open the messages; save yourself from reading her hurtful words. She has had too much power over you for too long; it is time for you to take back your power. Dont allow what she says to bother you; she says mean things simply to hurt you, because it makes her feel good about herself. It sounds like she has some deep psychological issues; why else would a grown person treat another person this way? Take the high road- if you have to see her, for some reason, have common courtesy for her even if she doesnt return that behavior. You have no control over her/her actions, you can only control what you do and how you feel. I wish you the best- you are stronger then you think you are!

Thank you for your kind reply and advice!

Yeah.... I kind of do think it's important. As far a making some sort of a stand with her anyways - like even just telling her that if she wants a relationship with me - then there are certain things I will no longer tolerate. Of course, I 'll wait to say anything to her until I've cooled off completely.

  Great idea on the high road. I'll plan to do that at the next family get-together this spring. I'll be courteous, distant, and walking away if she starts any garbage.

It really is an empowering feeling! Just sitting here knowing that I don't have to take that junk (even from family)........ well, I kinda feel taller. :-D 

 Thanks again!

 

 

 
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April 7, 2008, 4:56 pm PDT

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Hi, I too have issues with a sibling.  I am the youngest of four, two older sisters and an older brother.  My eldest sis, 11 years my senior, and I have always gotten along wonderfully but the other sister, ten years my senior has been the problem from day one. I have posted numerous times on here so I wouldn't want to bore any one with the details yet again.  But all my life this sister criticized me, made fun of me, tormented me... told me I was overweight (just a footnote, I was the skinniest in the family), ugly, weird, had horrible hair, didn't know how to act... you name it.  Although I know sibling rivalry is "normal" because of the age gap, I looked up to my sisters and admired them. I didn't feel competitive with them.  I loved them like second mothers in many ways.  But this sister was brutal. 

By my twenties, she was just unbearable.  Endless verbal attacks, the worse was when she screamed at me and told you, "You are a nothing, a nobody and will never amount to anything!"  It's words that will stick in my brain forever.  I was merely a twenty year old trying to find my way in life when she lashed out at me wtih this.

As I matured, we went through several periods of not communicating with one another for her vicious attacks were often too much for my oversensitive well being to handle.  By my 30s, I met my future husband.  It was this sister who caused me the most pain in regards to my wedding.  Constantly complaining about my choices, bullying me into doing things HER way.. I caved to keep peace.  Once married; however, I saw an immediate improvement in our lives.  She and her spouse would come over and we would hang out together and actually have fun.  I found that when the husbands were around, she behaved beautifully.  She even opted to vacation with my and my husband, I was sure she was changing her ways... how wrong I was.

One afternoon, as our husbands were fixing a lawn mower in the garage, we were sitting around having a heart to heart.  I decided to tell her how badly she had made me feel all my life and how much her words had hurt me.  I wasn't expecting her to feel bad... I wasn't even expecting her to apologize... if anything, I wanted her to say, "I didn't mean any of that, it was in the past, and I was wrong."  But instead, she denied ever saying anything.  Denied it ever happened... I was crushed.  Nothing was worse than having her not even acknowledge what she did.  I wanted to be mad but I knew she would put the blame on me and call me childish so I let it go.  Over the next 6 years, she took in our mother and harrassed me constantly, telling me that I was next to get mom (long story short on this one, EVERYONE in the family already took my mother in and she created chaos, eventually moving out in anger).  She worked with someone I knew and this person felt I had the right to know what my sister was saying about me and the family behind our backs.  My God, the things she was talking about and the stuff she was saying about me and everyone... it was so childish and stupid.  One other thing she would do all the time... she knew my spouse and I were having difficulty conceiving a child (and to this day, doctors believe it was stress related, probably from my family), everytime I spoke with her, she would say, "Because you don't have children, I know you don't understand this" or "You can't relate because you don't have children."  I would hang up the phone in tears. I eventually decided I had more than enough of this abuse and stopped calling her every time she would leave me a message complaining of our mother.  She finally kicked our mother out of her home, wrote me and all my siblings a horrible letter full of lies, attacking each of us and thus cut us all off. 

I felt and still feel as you do... why?  Why was she like that to me when I made so much effort to be close to her and be loved by her.  It's taken now nearly nine months for me to realize that she as well as my mother are both controlling, jealous, vindictive individuals who make themselves feel better, gain some sort of power, from finding fault with everyone else, from putting down everyone else.  My sister never did anything wrong, she was always right, she would get pissed if you didn't take her advice.  And if I did something she liked, she'd steal the idea and claim it as her own.  So immature. She never had a nice thing to say about anyone and especially not about me.  In the last letter she wrote, she blamed me for everything that has gone wrong in this family.  It will always hurt I'm sure... the loss of the sister I wished I had but I have to focus on me and my spouse and the family that does love me and accept me for who I am. The people who don't judge me.  I can't tell you whether or not cutting her off is good for you but I can tell you I have no regrets.  I just feel that life is too short to be putting up with that much turmoil and enough is enough.

I wish you best!  :)


Wow you've been through hell! You've definitely had it worse than me, but I still found myself nodding agreement with some of the things you described. I don't understand our sisters. Just because we're their family doesn't mean they get the right to use us as scapegoats. And, I'm learning, just because they're our family doesn't mean we have to let them make us feel smaller.

A friend recently told me, "The family you're born into is only a starting point." I don't know know where they heard it but it's stuck in my head ever since. I'm thinking about putting that on a t-shirt. :-D

 

 

 

 

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