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August 31, 2007, 7:37 pm PDT

Truly Sad

I am disgusted when I see parents letting children walk all over them like that. It is the parents responsibility to control their children, and they should not bow to pressure of the children having temper tantrums when they don't get the food they want. If it was my child that was obese, I would throw out every piece of junk food in the house and refuse to give the child anything but, no matter how much or how loudly he screamed, or if he hit, punched, bit, whatever! I would lay down the law right then and there.  If the kid was hungry enough, he'd learn to eat the food that I set out for him, and would learn that I'm not going to bow down to him and his demands just because he's throwing a fit. Those parents need to take control of their children before it's too late!!!! If parents don't nip that behavior in the bud at a young age, then obese children will grow up with horrible physical problems. Not to mention the torment that they would go through on a day to day basis in school and in public. Children have a knack for being cruel to those who are big, and even some adults point and whisper. No child needs that kind of life, so it is important that those children are taught proper eating habits now while the parents still CAN!!!!! 
 
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August 31, 2007, 10:49 pm PDT

Who's the Evil-Doer?

Wow... ya know... I really wish mother in laws could just learn to mind their own business. They have to realize that their kids are grown up and can make their own decisions and don't need their parents breathing down their necks anymore...

And what the HECK was that I read about one mother in law who takes PRIDE in the fact that people think she's having an affair with her own SON?!?!?! EEEEWWWWW!!!! That woman's got something wrong with her!!!!

 

Can't wait for this show to come on!!!

 
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August 31, 2007, 10:55 pm PDT

Violent Kids

Hmmm... I don't promote violence at the best of times, especially when it comes to kids, but I think sometimes a kid could really use a good old fashioned spanking... I know I never acted like that when I was a kid, because if I were to, my dad would have had his belt off and I'd be running!!

 

Seriously though... either those kids have something seriously wrong with their upbringing, or they have some sort of mental or behavioral disorder. I was shocked when I saw the previews for this show, and I'm actually not sure if I'm looking forward to watching it or not... but I'll be glued to the TV when it airs!!!!!

 
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August 31, 2007, 10:58 pm PDT

Family Follow-Up

I definitely look forward to the results of those polygraph tests!!
 
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August 31, 2007, 11:01 pm PDT

The Ex-Factor

This should be an explosive show... can't wait to see it!!!

 
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August 31, 2007, 11:05 pm PDT

Kids Caught in the Middle

Um... why would a woman marry a man when she was ALREADY married?! Has she not heard of a divorce? Or maybe living common law? I mean come ON!!!

 

Looks like another good show from DrP!!! Can't wait to see it!

 
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September 1, 2007, 3:18 pm PDT

I should clarify...

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Wow... ya know... I really wish mother in laws could just learn to mind their own business. They have to realize that their kids are grown up and can make their own decisions and don't need their parents breathing down their necks anymore...

And what the HECK was that I read about one mother in law who takes PRIDE in the fact that people think she's having an affair with her own SON?!?!?! EEEEWWWWW!!!! That woman's got something wrong with her!!!!

 

Can't wait for this show to come on!!!

I don't mean it to sound like ALL mother in laws don't mind their own business. But there are a fair number of them that DON'T. My sister got married to her husband, and her future mother in law was a royal pain in her butt!! In fact, she was being a pain before the wedding!! She tried to dictate the decorations that were going to be used in the wedding (which my sister refused to listen to), she had the absolute nerve to tell my sister that she looked FAT in her wedding dress when she went in for the fitting and told her she was going to look like a blob at her own wedding (that woman should have looked in the mirror before saying anything like that!! She's about a hundred pounds heavier than my sister and the only reason my sister was a little larger at the time was because she had just given birth to her second child!!!), and then when she found out that my sister wanted to be married outdoors, she deliberately went behind her and her husbands backs and booked a hall for an indoor wedding!! It was a war when my sister told her that she wanted to be married by a JP instead of a priest (our old elementary principal is one and marries former students for free, so it was more convenient), and for almost a full year after their wedding, the MIL was breathing down their necks about how they were raising their children (I think she has no say whatsoever, because she used to abuse her children as they were growing up, and she's the LAST person I would look to for advice). Thankfully, my sisters husband got fed up and told his mother to mind her own darn business and she's mellowed out significantly over the last few years, and she's even got a decent relationship with my sister now.

 

And I'm certainly not denying the fact that DIL's can be just as bad. They can be manipulative and possessive of their husbands and can cause as much trouble for MIL's as MIL's can cause for them... even moreso when grandchildren are in the picture. I don't think either situation is right and families need to find a balance and mutual understanding.

 

Just my take on things.

 
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September 1, 2007, 4:44 pm PDT

Allow me to explain my reasoning...

There were a few negative responses to my first post, and I understand I might sound a little harsh. Now, one of you asked if I have any children, and the answer is a flat out NO. And neither do I WANT any. Not because I don't particularily LIKE children, but because I've watched my sister with her three (not to mention watching her go through the miracle of childbirth), and I just have no interest in having children of my own. However, I have my own experiences growing up, watching my father discipline my siblings (and being on the receiving end of discipline myself), and babysat other people's children and witnessed THEIR idea of discipline to form my own OPINIONS on the issue. These are only OPINIONS and I'm not saying that I'm right and that everyone else is wrong. Everyone has their own personal experiences to fall back on, and I am merely explaining the reasons behind my own personal beliefs and opinions.

 

A few years ago, I was babysitting a family friends four children, and I had them down in the play area in the basement watching a movie. The oldest was a twelve year old girl, then her eight year old sister, her five year old brother, and then a four year old brother. The eight year old and four year old were sitting beside me on the couch watching the movie happily, and the twelve year old and five year old were behind the couch playing with their toys. In the middle of the movie, I suddenly hear the five year old screaming for her sister to please stop at the top of his lungs, I jumped up and looked over the back of the couch, and saw the oldest child BEATING on her brother with a METAL CHAIR LEG!!! I was over that couch, snatched away the chair leg and was trying to check on the younger of the two while the oldest was screaming at me and trying to get a hold of her brother again. I told her to go to her room and she very defiantly screamed that she didn't have to do what I said because I wasn't her mother. I told the second oldest to stay down there with her brothers and to try and calm her brother down until I got back. I told the oldest to go to her room or I was going to pick her up and haul her there myself, she told me 'NO!!!', so I picked her up and dragged her up the stairs (she was kicking, screaming, biting and calling me every name in the book the entire way), shoved her into her room, and had to hold the door closed as she was banging, clawing and kicking it from the other side, and still cursing a blue streak. After about ten minutes she quieted down, and I ran downstairs again. I checked on the 5 yr old, and found that he only had a few bruises and decided that since the parents were going to be home in less than an hour that I'd wait for them to come home, check over their son (the father is a paramedic), and take care of disciplining their daughter for her borderline psychotic behavior. However, when they got home and I told them what she did to her brother, the mother just went to their daughter and gave her a lecture as if she was telling a toddler why she couldn't have a cookie!!!! "You know, sweetie, you shouldn't do things like that to your brother. You wouldn't want to hurt him, now, would you?" That girl is over eighteen now, is out partying, doing drugs, and the parents suspect she's even prostituting herself!! And they're wondering where they went WRONG!!!!

 

Then on the other side of the coin, my brother was left to take care of me and my sister while my parents were out when we were kids. He was 13, my sister was 9, and I was 8. While my parents were gone, my brother decided he was going to 'play' by taking a butcher knife out of the kitchen drawer, and chasing me and my sister around the house!!!! We locked ourselves in the bathroom and stayed in there until our parents got home (our brother had gotten tired of waiting for us to come out and was watching TV). When our Dad came in, he asked why we were hiding in the bathroom and we told him what our brother had done. My dad's reaction was immediate. He went over, grabbed our brother by the arm, brought him over to me and my sister, backhanded him none to gently, and then forced him to get down on his knees and BEG us for forgiveness. He told him that only psycho's act that way, and he was NOT under any circumstances, put up with ANY of his children behaving in such a way. He's NEVER done anything remotely like that again to ANYONE. Now, did my brother grow up traumitized from this experience? NO!!!! In fact, he's happily and peacefully married, with a child of his own.

 

You may think my father was a little harsh in his punishment, but he raised us with the philosophy of tough love. Extreme behaviors need extreme discipline (my father's philosophy, not mine, so please don't burn me for that one. And if the day ever DOES come that I decide to have chlidren of my own, I have no intentions whatsoever in using the strap like my father used to, although spanking will be a viable option in my books for extreme behavior)

 

And please remember, I did NOT say it is ALWAYS the parents fault. There are other factors that could easily contribute to violent behavior in children. ADHD, along with other chemical imbalances and factors that nobody has any control over.

 

Also, remember, these are only experiences that have helped me form my own OPINION on violent children, and I am by no means saying I am absolutely right, neither am I saying any of you are wrong. We have yet to see the show, after all, so I can make no conclusions about THOSE cases until Tuesday.

 

 

 
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September 4, 2007, 3:51 pm PDT

Opinion after watching

After watching the show, I believe that Dr. Phil was right on both accounts... for the first child, it could very well be a combination of something wrong with his body, as well as the inconsistencies of the parenting. Both parents have to be in agreement and in full support of one another when it comes to disciplining children, whatever methods they decide to use. That way, the children can't turn to the other parent as a means of escaping their punishment. But a question I have for the mother of the first child is...

 

WHAT THE HECK WERE YOU DOING FEEDING CHOCOLATE TO YOUR CHILD WHEN YOU KNEW HE'S ALLERGIC?! Couldn't that be FATAL in some cases?! If my child was allergic to chocolate and he wanted some, I don't care if he was throwing himself onto the floor and screaming at the top of his lungs!! You don't feed your child food when they're allergic to it!!

 

For the second child, again, Dr. Phil was right on IMO. Being a twin, he wants to create a unique identity for himself and acting out in the way that he is is providing that. Also, the inconsistencies in disciplining him for his behavior is also a contributing factor, and I think that if they stick to their guns, so to speak, that their child will be straightening out before the situation escalates to dangerous levels.

 

And I agree with those of you that were mentioning removing those pets from that one home, at least until the child mellows out. Those animals don't need that kind of abuse, and I find it sad that they've had to endure it for as long as they have.

 

Both of these families will be in my thoughts and I hope that their situations get better in the future.

 

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September 5, 2007, 7:33 pm PDT

Christy and Stacy

As I understand it, at some point in her past, Christy experienced some form of abuse (I don't know what sort of abuse that was or if it was delved into on the show or not, because I don't remember that much from the first show and missed the first ten or fifteen minutes of today's show). I think what may have happened is that over the years, Christy saw SOMETHING that indicated there might be something going on in her sister's home, and built up on that one thing until she fully 100% convinced herself that it was all out abuse. I believe that she truly does believe what is happening, even though it was made clear on today's show that there is nothing going on.

 

Stacy completely passed the Polygraph while Christy lied on two of the questions regarding information she gave (can't remember the exact questions that she was asked, but I know it had something to do with information she gave). Since Stacy passed the test completely, her family has been investigated numerous times by child protection agencies, and all the children deny that anything has happened in the home, it's obvious that Christy was mistaken in her accusations. But even after all that, she is still convinced that everyone else is wrong and she is right. In that regard, I think that she should seek some form of professional help.

 

And in regards to the father not being there, there is the issue that even if someone was accused of being a pedophile and proven innocent, it is still a serious blow to their image. Not to mention that, seeing as they have so many children, don't you think that that father has to work and bring in the money? And watch the children that have stayed at home? The arguments are primarily between the sisters, and he knew he was innocent and that it would be proven through his wife taking the polygraph test. If you were him, wouldn't you be sick of all the media exposure, tarnishing of your name, and having to face the woman that's made your life a living hell? I think that man needs a break and should just be allowed to have peace and quiet with his family without being criticized for his action of not going to the Dr. Phil show.

 

Just my take on things. Good luck Stacy, to both you and your family!

 

Christy, please put this whole mess behind you and get some help.

 

Nightangel1282

 

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