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October 25, 2005, 4:25 pm PDT

Absolutely tragic

This beautiful girl was only 27 days younger than my youngest granddaughter who I cherish with all my heart.  I am so weary of hearing the statement made in the US in various states, certainly not just Oklahoma "the justice system failed".  It is amazing how backward that we are with our laws in protecting the innocent.  I mean no harm to the mother but I wonder if this man didn't all along show some tendencies for violence or possibly she didn't know him well enough before she started dating him.  Obviously, he murdered her daughter as he knew how deeply this would hurt her and her family.  Young Moms need to be oh so careful about who they bring into their families.  If you feel like something isn't right, it probably isn't.  So many stepfathers, boyfriends are hurting or murdering their spouse/GF's children, the ultimate hurt.  Mothers must do a better job of protecting their children to say the very least.   All I can say is work hard to get your laws changed in Oklahoma and every state that doesn't have a similar law.  I cried through this whole show; she obviously was a wonderful young girl with her future wiped out by a horrible person who cared nothing about life. 

  

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October 28, 2005, 7:21 am PDT

Grandparents didn't see for 4 years??

I believe I missed the part where they said Jerry demanded that Donna keep the children away from their grandparents and she did so for 4 years.  Did they not live in the same town?  As a loving and caring grandparent (as these grandparents certainly appeared to be), I can not imagine how Donna could even consider doing this to her children or her parents.  This set up a huge flag for me. It seems there were a lot of concerns here both with Donna and Jerry.  I also wondered what type of profession he was in; it seemed he readily had the $20,000 bail figure.  Think there are many missing parts with this family. 

  

I in no way want to judge Donna as she was a victim I know but I guess I would have gone to any length to protect my children from this man as I've always heard to take threats such as his seriously and she was the only one to go away in hiding.  Something just doesn't jive with me, sorry! 

  

 
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October 31, 2005, 8:58 am PST

something to ponder on......

Has anyone wondered why the father was not on the Dr. Phil show?  Was he invited or was he even aware of this show taking place....doubt he would have expected it since it was so close on the heels of Caitlin's tragic death.... 

  

Also, when Donna fled to Tulsa to save herself, did she stay with family, friends or possibly a new man in her life? 

  

Just wondering! 

  

  

 
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November 2, 2005, 4:12 pm PST

Daughter in law Theresa holds the key here

It was pretty obvious that Theresa doesn't want Steve's mother in their live.  It wouldn't surprise me if she didn't put her aunt up to asking Steve's mom about her divorce, her response wasn't a lie nor was it grounds to be thrown out of her son's wedding after traveling all the way to Hawaii.  My hubby was watching too and said look out, like father, like son....doubt he'll hang with Theresa for a lifetime.  The other son was supportive of his Mom so at least she has one son that can read between the lines.    

  

Steve and Theresa, grow up.... 

 
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November 4, 2005, 10:48 am PST

I so agree with you Diane

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This is the first time I find myself inclined to write to a talk show, but, given that I have a very personal connnection with the issue, I suppose it is not surprising.  Watching Michelle's pain come through was horrific - I don't condone the coping techniques - but she clearly stated that she wanted help.  I found out my daughter had PW when she was three and my reaction was to take a garbage bag and empty the entire contents of my kitchen into it!  I have not always coped well, but I did get help from some amazing professionals.  My daughter is now 23 and is 125 pounds.  She is awesome.  Although I realize that Dr. Phil was probably trying to shock treat Michelle by showing her Mirabelle's story, I was pretty angry that he could did not take the trouble to find a different scenario to show her, to give her hope.  I was just as distressed seeing Mirabelle's tape as I was seeing Michelle's.  Although I have no doubt that the family love Mirabelle, I did not see alot of evidence that she had been given many coping strategies or that her environment was very encouraging for other's to see.  Believe me, that is NOT the way it has to be. 

  

Michelle, please know that your daughter does NOT have to be obese, she can be taught to react appropriately and she can find her place in society.  But, it does require compassion, patience and love on your part.  It does require that you realize that she may hear what you say, may seem to even understand your rules, but that does not stop the impulses.  You have to teach her ways to cope that are realistic and you have to give her an environment that lends itself to helping her use her coping strategies.  She will require constant supervision, a group home environment when she is older - but she can have a great life and so can you. 

  

In all of this, please don't forget about your other child - of which little was said.  They too, deserve compassion, love and patience and they too, need to learn to cope with and love their sibling. 

  

Take heart, this is the beginning.  It was indeed brave of you to come forward, but the world is now watching to see where you will go from here.  I would love to find a way to help you.  I certainly would never presume to judge you - especially since we only knew you for 30 minutes. 

  

Diane 

Diane, I only learned about PWS yesterday, I had no idea this illness existed.  Although it seems Michelle's idea of coping seemed extreme, I also understand "walk a mile in my shoes."  I am so pleased that she has been herself out there to receive assistance in coping and life as this is a long term situation.  I so hope that Michelle reads your post.  I so wish that you could have been involved with the show also as what I'm reading is a very positive image. 

  

I didn't hear if there was a father in the family, possibly I missed that but if Michelle has this alone with no family assistance, this is all the more stress for her. 

  

I pray she receives the right kind of help. 

  

A loving Grandmom, 

  

Jan 

 
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November 4, 2005, 11:01 am PST

PWS very difficult for young Mom

I watched this show regarding Nichelle and her daughter with PWS; this was the first that I had heard of this illness.  My first thoughts were that the mother was out of control but in listening to her, I realized that she was crying out for help with a situation that seemed so hopeless.  I could see her softening, yes I understand that hitting a child in anger in any circumstances is not appropriate but I can also feel the stress.  I just can't imagine what this young mother has been through with the worry and the stress in raising this child.  I pray that training with proper nutrition, discipline will help her cause and give her strength to carry on this life long family situation that has been handed to her. 

  

There is no doubt in my mind that Nichelle loves her child....she truly does.   Please pray for her and don't be harsh in her plight to receive the counseling and training to deal with this precious child. 

  

A Grammy in TN, 

  

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November 5, 2005, 5:01 pm PST

Have compassion for this family

Obviously, this family needs counseling.  Bridgette is spending not because she needs anything but it's a backatcha since the hubby pays little attention to her and the children.  On the other hand, the poor guy has to work his a__ off to pay for all these trappings.  As a family or a couple, they just can't communicate or have lost the will to. 

  

He pulled them out 10 years ago, very nice home with lots of debut but nothing they can't overcome if they cut up the credit cards (all of them).  Bridgette should consider volunteer work as many professional wives have done (many doctor's wives from this area do volunteer work...don't know what we'd do without them)....this would, IMO, to be very satisfying and give her something to call her own rather than just being the docs wife.  Just think of the example she would set for her children.  She just needs her own thing. 

  

I so hope they can pull this together....at first I thought Bridgette was beyond selfish but as things progressed, I realized there was much more to this.  I hope she can find her own niche, if so, the shopping one day will seem so frivolous to her. 

  

The best to this family, 

  

Jan  

 
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November 9, 2005, 3:59 pm PST

daughter back home after 22 years

Sadly, my daughter's 18 year marriage failed 3 years ago (he was a functioning alcoholic but more & more abusive)....she struggled on her own for 2 years as her income was/is pretty low as an admin asst.  After 3 yrs and several months dating a man, she thought was so special turned out to be a louse who took her for $$$ out of her home by talking her into refinancing one month after marriage, she is now divorced again and she & my almost 17 year old granddaughter (straight A student and a love) live with us in our full basement plus an upstairs bedroom.  We had been alone so long that it was quite an adjustment (we're both 65).  My husband works parttime although we have a pretty good income.  Our daughter helps and cleans and does her own cooking in the house all the time to help out but pays no rent, utilities period.  Basically, although she works full time and receives child support (for one more year) there really is nothing left and she doesn't even have a car payment.  Her  health insurance is $300 plus a month, plus insurance on her & my g'daughter's vehicle is another $200 so after gasoline, groceries, other there isn't much left. 

  

There are some real "moochers" out there and this was pretty well displayed on Dr. Phil today...Good grief, a 36 year old with a degree from ISU who doesn't want to work in certain cities.....she really did need help. 

  

I, for one, really worry about my daughter after we're gone but as my hubby says, "she'll make it some way." 

  

Just my two cents. 

  

Loving Mom/Grandmom Jan 

  

PS.  I'm an enabler, I do provide Direct TV hookups for both their TVs in their digs...they have to have some entertainment!! 

  

  

 
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November 12, 2005, 10:41 am PST

Sanpaku definition

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That's called Sanpaku. It *usually* denotes illness or physical and/or spiritual imbalance.

I'm glad you clarified this condition as I felt there was something that wasn't quite right with her.  Hope she views this show and can see this for herself....believe she needs counseling in turning away from her own race especially.  The black dude was absolutely gorgeous and so nice; she missed a good thing there. 

  

  

 
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November 12, 2005, 10:50 am PST

Lexi has issues

Before Lexi even considers dating, she needs some serious counseling to find out why she would even consider turning away from her own race, let alone allow a white man to treat her badly.  She sounds self destructive and needs to get healed before getting into or continuing in the dating game.  The Black fellow was so nice and totally good looking; I couldn't imagine not wanting to date him.  He certainly impressed me and I'm a grandmother.
 

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