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October 15, 2007, 4:24 pm PDT

Should the Goldmans " Move On"?

I believe Dr. Phil missed an opportunity--to tell them that they are so stuck in their anger, seemingly more than their grief, that they can never be happy or productive again in other ways, or at peace.  I don't minimize their great loss and the anger and frustration, or even trying to collect the civil judgment from OJ, but it seems they breathe, eat, sleep vindication.   This can't be good for their health and well-being.  I don't know of their religious inclination, but perhaps they should "turn this over" to a "higher power" so they can live again, so they can have comfort and peace.  The murderer(s) is/are not, and will never be free.  Would Ron want them to be consumed with OJ?
 
October 15, 2007, 4:54 pm PDT

Could O.J. be Seeking Punishment?

If O.J. is guilty of the murders, and it appears he is (though I can't see how he did it unassisted), and he knows he'll never do time for those murder; yet he feels guilty and knows he must be punished.  Unless he is a psychopath, he can't sleep and has no peace.  [Frankly, he looks better than ever.]  But if he is guilty, he could be seeking punishment subconsciously; hence the outrageous stunt in Vegas.  A long prison term may be in his future-- "punishment" for the murders!   He's going to pay for that arrogant stunt!!  Or is he???
 
October 17, 2007, 10:42 pm PDT

10/17 Sexual Predators?

Quote From: vbaldri1

The things we hear on the news sicken me. How can anyone do such terrible things to an innocent child? But on the other hand we need to make sure that these things are true about this person. These accusations can ruin a person's life forever . I know of men that had their ex wives tell their children to lie and say that they were molested by their fathers so they can keep them from seeing the child and right now my grandson is going though the same thing with a stepchild.  I love my grandchildren so much i would probably be in jail right now if someone violated them but i would want to be sure before i would see someone go though all that and be innocent.
I agree--it is a horrible thing to wrongly accuse someone of molestation and/or rape of a child, whether in child custody cases or other situations.  But in this case, it is my understanding that this abominable act was recorded, thus revealed/learned, and how he was identified and finally caught.
 
October 17, 2007, 11:37 pm PDT

Death Under the

This is one "sin" I've never seen listed in the Bible.  I've read about fornication and adultery (including incestrous acts), bestiality, homosexuality, murder, etc., all of which carried the penalty of capital punishment--death by stoning or by fire/burning.  I've read where a person could even be stoned for disrespecting (sassing/cursing) his/her parents (Leviticus 20:9).  But nowhere do I see mention of this abominable act--an adult having sex with a child.  Does this mean it was never done?  Or, does it mean it was done and was not mentioned?  I tend to believe the former, since so many other "sins" were listed.  In any event, I'm sure it would have carried the death penalty, and speedily, unlike our system today.  There were no lawyers who would make the victim(s) the guilty party; there was no plea bargaining for a lighter sentence; there were no judges who would pervert justice, at least in many cases; and so on.

 

Thankfully, we have mercy and grace now--forgiveness upon repentance, but adults who perpetrate such abominable crimes should be locked away forever, at the least...  Otherwise, our children are not safe!

 
October 18, 2007, 10:00 pm PDT

Sooooo Disturbing...

This is so very disturbing.  What has caused these problems?  Have they seen violent movies?  Have they been sexually or physically abused?  I'm about speechless.  One thing is for sure:  they should not be allowed home anytime soon, particularly when there are other children in the home.  This is a hard call, but except for a miracle, I believe these kids are too far gone to be in society.  Otherwise, someone will get hurt badly or killed next time.   Sad, sad, sad...

 
October 18, 2007, 10:24 pm PDT

10/17 Sexual Predators?

Quote From: skydreamer

First of all this so called 'man' WILL go to prison!  And in his case what goes around comes around!  We all know what happens to 'men' like this!  He WILL be raped just like he raped that little girl! I feel not one shred of pitty for him!  He is sick!

 

For those that think Mom should have known, well YOU have NEVER gone through anything even close to this!  YOU have no idea how a children can and DO hide this.  I know because once upon a time I was this child!  My Mom never new untill I told her!!!!!!!  And NO she is and was not and never will be a bad MOM!  So please do NOT GO THERE!!

Yes, He will go to prison (unless his attorney gets him "off"), but it is my understanding that pedophiles are not put in with the general prison population.  For some reason, even the most hardened criminal is repulsed and incensed by actions of a pedophile; thus many will do physical harm to them, including horrendous rape (which seems fair and just deserts), or even murder (remember the Catholic priest?).
 
October 19, 2007, 1:51 pm PDT

Don't Sue, Unless.......

Wow, this is all very sad, particularly regarding the woman who was sued for alienation of affection.   It seems that is a law that should be removed, particularly when a woman didn't know a man was married. 

 

 I kind of understand the desire to "get somebody back", but the offender--not the other party.  I had one very emotional break-up where I wanted to sue the other person, inform his pastor or something.  Initially, we were friends for a year after the break-up, but he had a piece of jewelry of mine that he removed when he gave me a piece of jewelry.  He never returned it, though I asked for it several times.  When he got married a year after our break-up, I congratulated him and asked for my jewelry.  He said ok, but only if I returned the diamond tennis bracelet he had bought me for a birthday.  I refused and threatened to tell his pastor.  His wife yelled into the phone "You give him his bracelet!  You're vindictive!"  Well, of course I refused to mail it to him then, and even started wearing it everyday.  I wrote him a nasty letter, including my assessment of his new wife.  I considered suing him for my jewelry which cost about $100, but could not be replaced; also I started to let his pastor know about all this.  Thankfully, I did neither.  And years later, I have no hard feelings or regrets.  BTW, he and the woman split in less than a year. 

 

The other situation (fiance) was different.  Our break-up was imminent--I'd already recently called it off;  then he called it off, then begged me to reconsider.  I knew it couldn't work, so was about to tell him so again--right then-- when he called me and said the reason he couldn't marry me was because he had met someone else a month earlier and felt things for her he'd never felt for me, etc.  But he blamed the other woman totally--she'd asked him to dance, given him her phone number, asked for his, asked his family about him constantly and for them to tell him hello, etc., etc.  Anyway, we agreed to mutually break-up.  A few months later, I learned that he'd married this woman exactly a month after we'd broken up and one day after our last communication.  He did so secretly, hid it from people.  I was furious--I was ok with our break-up, as it was mutual, but felt like his pastor needed to know what kind of man he was. {His church was close-knit and involved in the members'  lives.}  I wrote a letter to his pastor, but kept it on my computer, without printing and mailing it.  Finally, I erased it.  I am so happy I did.  Also, I learned that he'd left that church immediately after our final break-up and upon pursuing this woman.  I am so thankful that I didn't marry this cad.  I could've sued him for one particular financial situation, but it definitely would not have been worth my time, self-esteem, etc.  In any  event, I would never have done anything to this woman, whether or not she came on to him first--she was an opportunist and they deserve each other.

 

 

 
October 19, 2007, 9:12 pm PDT

OK, Sue If...

Ref Dawn and the suing for alienation of affection.

 

Women , you place too much blame or accountability on the other woman/women, thus excusing their weak, wussy, unfaithful husband.  You're in denial--he's definitely guilty too!!

 

SUE IF:

 

1) It is absolutely beyond a resonable doubt that she came on to your husband, enticed him, chased him, etc.--first.  In other words if she initiated the affair, and while knowing of his marital status.

 

2) The other woman is hateful, harrasses you and/or your family, calls you, continues to call him if he tells her to stop, threatens to expose the affair to his parents, boss, pastor, stalks you, etc.  Ref stalking or harrassing, call the police so you have a police report to take to court with you.  Get a restraint order if necessary.

 

3)  Especially if he divorces you and marries the other woman!!!  You can get at him where it hurts--his finances--through her.  BTW, during the divorce, get a good lawyer, so you and your children are not left high and dry financially.  If you have been married for many years, or even if you have no children, he still owes you.  Suing her will get him, and she'll think twice before she goes with another married man, especially in a state that has that law on the books.

 

'Nuff said...

 
October 19, 2007, 9:43 pm PDT

10/19 Suing for Love

Quote From: renaud27

I think that if someone cheats they are obviously not getting everything they need out of their current relationship.  There is already something wrong with the marriage if one or both people stray.  I would have a hard time to believe that a happily married man or woman would get involved with someone else. If you truly love someone you could never be with another.  People sometimes stay in relationships too long, they should either make a committment to make things better and if not well respect the other person enough to let them know that you aren't happy.  If you stay with them under false pretenses you are also preventing them from finding someone else that will love them the way they deserve.  Life is too short to not live it happily. Life is too short to stay in a relationship in which your signifigant other has cheated. Nobody can force anybody to cheat. We are all responsible for our own decisions and our own actions. I would never be able to stay with my husband if he cheated--in my eyes it would mean he doesn't truly love me. I also believe that not all people are meant for marriage--some people just get married because it is what society expects.  It is what we all heard growing up.  You get older, get married, buy a house and have kids.  Some people maybe should just date for life cuz they obviously cannot stay faithful.
It's all about commitment!!!!!  [Assuming people married each other for right reasons.]  Marriage has ups and downs, good days and bad, good years and bad, surprises--both good and bad, and so on.  The newness wears off.  Romance wanes.  The physical flame flickers.  Weeds set in.  And so on.  A man or woman may still love each other, but go into an affair for various reasons.  Commitment will see a couple through it all, especially if they commit not only to the marriage and to each other, but commit to being happy--not just remaining married.   Remember: no one can make someone else happy; no one can provide everything another needs or wants, emotionally.  Learn to be happy and content.  The grass is not really greener on the other side of the fence--there will be problems there too, sometimes the same ones.  Again, its all about commitment!
 
October 20, 2007, 6:38 am PDT

Suing for Love

Quote From: xpheremone

I lived in SC where you can sue for alienation of affection.  It's a little more complicated than you might think.  You need concrete proof that the person KNEW the spouse was married and pursued them anyway.  I am all for it myself.  I kept hearing that woman say "I was separated, and he lied about being separated'.  I realize quite a few people believe separation=divorce and thus the person is allowed to date, but until that divorce decree is finalized they are STILL MARRIED. Quite a few states have a 1 year waiting period.  This isn't a trial period for dating but a period of time to get the possessions divided, and time to work out any existing problems with a marriage counsellor if possible. 
Thanks for this info.  Also, for the reminder for everyone that separation does not equal divorced.  I've kind of figured out why some people jump into relationships before they are totally free (before the other is finished, i.e. divorce is final), but that doesn't make it right.
 

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