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October 29, 2007, 3:59 pm PDT

worst "crime": breaking a child's heart

 no doubt, maria committed  "paternity fraud."  nor do i have any doubt that enriquez' new wife pushed him to find out the truth -- not because she so values truth but because she was hoping they could save some money. but it is enriquez who broke the child's heart. no one forced him to do that. no one, to my knowledge,  told him "you have to dump selena, or else!" he made that choice.

he could have made a different decision. he could have said, as some other men have, "it doesn't matter abt the dna.  i've been this child's father for many years, and i will continue to help support her and have a relationship with her." or he could have said as some other men have, "well, i won't pay child support anymore, but i still want to be part of her life." or maybe, "i want maria to find the biological father and have him 'step up.' then we'll all chip in for selena's support. and, of course, i'll still have a relationship with her." so many other less painful choices he could have made. but he chose to break the child's heart. and that is the greatest of the "evils" in this case.
 
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November 3, 2007, 6:01 pm PDT

DNA

 I think DNA testing is a fantastic thing, generally speaking. It can help us determine so many facts that once we could only guess at or take on faith. Where paternity is concerned, it can point to the truth. It is much harder for a man today to airily deny he's the dad  and just walk away. It is also much harder for a woman to get away with lying about who really fathered her child.

But like anything else, this wonderful tool must be used wisely. If a man assumes his wife's child is his, what purpose is there in questioning that? I hesitate to talk about a show before i've seen it or to judge the peoplebefore i've heard them out, but I can barely imagine why someone like Terrie would raise this issue. Children don't always look obviously like their biological parents or siblings. Why cause suspicion between a husband and wife and raise doubts in a child's mind just because of that? And if the DNA test confirms her fears, what then? Why rip a part a family and possibly break a child's heart? ( I say "possibly" because I don't know the age of the child, but I'm sure some fatheer-child boncing has already occured.) Right now, it seems to me, it can only be out of hatred of her daughter-in-law or an overprotective attitude toward her son.

Yes, I said  "overprotective." Maybe she's trying to save him money, hoping he won't have to support this child if he'snot the biological father. Perhaps she truly believes his wife has been cheating on him and wants him to know, so he can leave her and no longer be in that situation. Either way, she is trying to protect him-- and yes, I understand that, but that is no longer her job. "A man leaves his parents and cleaves to his wife," and is supposed to work things out with her, to stand by her, etc. I don't even know why this man didn't brush off his mom's accusations and tell her to chill out. (I guess I'll find out on the show.) But no matter how much she loves him, she should not be trying to protect him now, especially not form his own wife -- and that is why this kind of  "protectiveness" leads to so much pain for so many people.

Of course, I may change my mind about Terrie'sbehavior after I see the show.  But I will never be for anything that causes unnecessary pain, especially not to an innocent child.
 
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November 5, 2007, 4:19 pm PST

Don't Criticize Diane!

 Maybe Diane needs to control her temper more. But how would you feel if someone were trying to destroy your marriage? break up your children's home? How would you react? Besides, perhaps she wouldn't feel the need to raise her voice if her husband would/could stand up to his mom a little more firmly. (Clearly, he's trying -- otherwise he wouldn't have been on the show. But maybe it's not enough.)  And while I'm at it, even though the mom MIGHT BE RIGHT about Diane as a person -- I don't think she is, but even if she might be -- she DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHTto try to destroy her son's marriage. He's a grown man and has to live his own life. No matter how concerned she is, she needs to back off!
 
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November 11, 2007, 5:24 pm PST

will fight realities

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The deadliest of all sins............greed

IMy grandparents had 5 girls and lived modestly. When my Mother divorced my biological father the four of us (my twin brother and our sister) went to live with them. Mother worked 3 jobs to support us and our grandparents raised us along with the begrudged help of our aunts. We heard it everyday, how we robbed our grandparents of their retirement years. We were small children that has no say in anything but felt guilty then for this horrible misdeed that we couldn't understand.  It dosen't really matter in the message of this but our grandfather told us daily and his biological daughters that he loved us as much as he did them and "those precious children will be the ones to give us our last drink of water", we were and loved him deeply.

 When they passed away my Mother continued to live in the house until she died, only a few years. later. On the eve of her death, it was an all out brawl over who got what and the sell of the house. I was trying to care for my Mother during her last painful days of cancer but all her sisters could think of was the money and the "things". They were scurring around like ants manipulating each other and trying to manipulate us by having pieces of paper shoved in my face to sign everything over. The will had already been made but they wanted to make double sure we got nothing and they got everything. All of them had been stealing objects over the years when they would come over for one of their daily visits. To their surprise, the three of us wanted absolutely nothing in the house or even our Mothers little percentage of the sale of the house.

I thought our family was close and loving, it was anything but. After my Mothers death, we split down the middle and have never been the same. There are no longer any gatherings, talking and every attempt has ended up in hurt feelings and someone having to "bring up the past". It has been 20 years and the greedy aunts have all died but two. They went through their money in weeks and the "things" are stored collecting dust.

Was it worth it for them? I wonder but am not interested enough to try and find out anymore. I work as a nurse in Hospice and try to keep families together in these critical times where everyone is fragile, angry and focusing on everything except the person that is dying and loss they are experiencing.

I wish families would focus on what matters, each other and their relationships. There is no object or amount of money that can replace what once was wonderful or thought to be wonderful.

This family is probably past any healing, our's certainly is but for those of you who have this to face, please remember it's the only family you will have and the lonliness is almost unbearable once they are gone. Hold on the each other and not "things".  The money will be spent, the "things" will gather dust and hold no value over a human being you once loved and will miss. You will feel like your entire life was a lie, so get things settled before the death of parents, stay close and hold on to each other.

 

 

 first, let me say that i'm so sorry for what you and your brother and sister had to face as children. thank goodness, your grandfather was wise enough to express his appreciation of his grandkids and that you became a more caring, sensitive person, as a result of all that, instead of a bitter one, as some people would have.

it is so sad when family members turn agains each other because of money and things. but the reality is that often they do. even people who have no intention of doing so may find themselves in the middle of such battles because of the behavior of others. so yes, i agree, it is important to get things settled before parents die. in fact, the parents really need to make out clear wills that state how they want their money and property to be divided, and in some cases, why they made these decisions. (giving reasons can make it harder for dissatisfied heirs to hold up a will in court.)

i also thin it's sad --and maybe a little pathetic -- when some family members act as if they have as much or more right to a brother or sister's money/property than his/her own children do. this may be due as much to ignorance as to greed. in most states, as far as i know, spouses, kids, even parents come before siblings as far as inheritance "rights," unless, perhaps, it is statd otherwise in the person's will. brothers and sisters are NOT "next of kin" if these other types of relatives are living.

of course, it's not clear whether the grandparents above left their house, etc to the daughter who lived there or what -- more proof that people need to deal with these issues before they die. you cannnot leave it up to ur offspring and hope they will figure it all out fairly, especially not when they are already fighting and pointing fingers.
 
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November 29, 2007, 10:07 pm PST

katherine and her parents

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Some of you guys are making this message board into a religion war.  Unbelievable!  What about Katherine???

 

I agree that her parents need to hold some sort of responsibility in this whole mess, but she is 18 now.  Hello, she is an adult.  She can do as she chooses now.  All her parents can do at this point is be supportive or Katherine can "write" them off.  (Either you accept me for who I am or I'm gone routine.)  There's nothing her parents can do about it now.

 

Why was her computer time not being monitored way back before this mess even got started??  I have a computer that accesses the internet, but I also have parental controls set up on it.  Plus, it's in a room that isn't private.  When the children are on the computer, I am, in a sense, monitoring everything they do.  There is NO myspace, no chat rooms, no chatting at all with anybody even if you don't have to type it in!!!  It is up to the parents to protect their children!!!  Not the other way around.

 

My oldest is almost 13.  She has been begging for a myspace for almost a year.  "All of her friends have one!"  The answer is always no.  Parental controls will not even allow her to access myspace.  I'm not stupid enough to believe that she isn't on there when she is over at a friend's house, but I do believe that she has the fear not to create her own account.  I understand the frustration of stating the reasons why she can't have one over and over, but that's the way it is.  She always comes back with the same reply, "I can make it private and I will only accept people as my friends that I know."  Yes, we all know how that works.  (Not going to happen.)  All of her 12 and 13 year old friends have their profiles set to say that they are 17.  That way, they don't have to have their profiles private!!!  (Obviously their parents aren't watching what's taking place!)  Look up the story of the girl that just committed suicide near St. Louis, MO all over a comment left on her myspace!!!!! 

 

The cell phone, c'mon lady!!!  These kids with cell phones that have free run with them drives me nuts!  It's just like a computer!  Watch what is going on with it!  Yes, we have one for the kids, but it is a Firefly!!!  WE program what numbers can be called and only allow it to accept calls from those numbers!  If you don't want to go that route, go to disney mobile.  You can do the same things with their phones and you can also track them on your computer because the phone has a GPS.  Some people don't want to pay the money...  What is your child's safety worth???  Our kids do not appreciate it, but they know that's how it is.  And yes, we hear all the time about all my friends have their own cell phones, they text, they take pictures.......... on and on and on.  Guess what?  We care more about their safety versus them looking cool. 

 

Let this be a warning to all parents, you have to stay on top of your kids.  Yes, you can trust them to a certain degree, but not with full reign.  They are not mentally mature enough to make adult decisions, so don't let them.  Do I think that my kids are going to turn out wonderful?  No, but I am doing everything in my power to protect them from something like this!  We talk and we talk a lot.  They know the reasons behind everything that we do and they know the punishment they will face if they break the rules.  That's how we run things in this house.

 

As far as Katherine, I truly hope that Dr. Phil can help.  What's happened has happened and she can only move on from here.  I hope that she makes the right choice because she has not matured mentally and we all know that it's easier to brainwash a child.  Good luck and I hope that she doesn't have any resentment against her parents for "allowing" this relationship to continue and "allowing" her to get into this mess.  No, they didn't "allow" it, but they didn't do anything to stop it either.

 i suspect that katherine's parents had been having trouble with her for a while before she even met abdullah online.  i could be wrong, but i imagine she's a much more rebellious type than the kids in any of the famiy's who are questioning how the parents could have let this happen. i'm not tryibng to excuse them or villify her -- i'm just describing the situation as i think it may have been.

and, i hate to say it, but i don't think there's any guarantee that katherine won't run back to abdullah again, despite what she's been through. stranger things have happened. and love can make you forget the bad things. i know she likes a new guy, but if that doesn't work out, she may head right back to abdullah. i hope not, but she might. i totally respect and admire dr. phil for making every effort to get her out of that situation. but i hope her parents realize that, after all that, she could take off again, whether with abdullah or some other questionable guy. there may be a point where they just have to accept that these are her choices, especially if she's 18 now. they certainly can no longer allow her life to take their attention away from their other two children.
 
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January 19, 2008, 12:23 am PST

No Kidding!

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Pls mom stay out of your daughters marriage..Husbands come w/papers and they go w/papers.  You have to have a license to have one and  more papers to get rid of one...your child is your child forever..I know b/c my 23 yr old daughter is in her 3rd marriage and I have sill just 1 daughter and one   day your daughter might need you more than ever.
     I agree w/ you, judyjudge that Elizabeth's mom should stay out of her daughter's marriage. I know it's hard when your daughter comes to you w/ complaints about her husband, but it's normal for a young woman to vent to her mom. A mom has to be able to listen and sympathize w/o turning totally against the guy. Difficult, I know, but it helps if she realizes that her daughter will soon make up w/ her husband and see things differently. (Of course, in abuse cases, it's a different story.)
    Also, I don't know why the mom and her family are blaming Alfredo for the elopement. Elizabeth is a grown woman and, apparently, she eloped w/ him of her own free will. He did not  "take her away."  I imagine she did it b/c the family wouldn't accept him. Maybe she thought that would change once they were officially married and that was that. But instead she found more of the same -- w/her mom trying to pressure her into a divorce!
    I think it's key that the mom keeps saying her daughter used to be her "best friend." So great to be close to your daughter, but maybe they were too close? Perhaps the mom's a little jealous of her daughter's relationship w/ her husband? But trying to force a breakup will only drive the daughter further away. The only way to renew her relationship w/ Elizabeth is to accept and, eventually,  embrace her marriage. For better or worse, in modern American society, your son or daughter's spouse is not your choice to make.

 
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January 19, 2008, 12:33 am PST

Child Abuse?

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I think you have hit that nail on the head.

 

This guy does sound abusive to the children.

     I also was surprised that Dr. Phil did not address this issue. Maybe the girls are exaggerating. Perhaps they are just grping about their b/c they sense it pleases their mom. But still the issue seemed to need attention. I realize Phil wanted to focus on the overall issue which was the tug-of-war between theadults, but still  this is important, too.
 
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February 7, 2008, 7:00 pm PST

The Princess

 I know Stephanie may be a little spoiled, but sometimes has a point. a lot of women would feel upset, forexample, if their fiance showed more affection or found it easier to show affection to a cat than to his lady. It suggests he really can't relate to a woman as well as to an animal or that there is something wrong in the relationship that is making him hold back. (Of course, maybe it's her behavior.) It's not really about being jealous of the cat -- it's a concern about why he can't show this kind of love to the woman.

Many women, like myself, would keep quiet about this, partly because it's so hard to explain w/o looking silly, etc. Butperhaps Stephanie is right to speak up about this. Think of it this way: If they do marry, and if they have kids, what will the kids think if Daddy's more affectionate with animals, etc than he is with Mommy (and maybe with them)?

Stephanie's problem here is that she overreacts. Instead of just saying, "How come you find it so easy to be affectionate with the cat and not with me?" - or maybe, "Itr hurts me that you find it so easy to show love to a cat but not to me" -- she flies off the handle.  She needs to learn to show her guy her true vulnerabilities, needs, etc instead of trying to scare him into giving her what she wants.  She isnt necessarily "wrong" but she expresses herself in the wrong way.
 
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February 9, 2008, 11:22 am PST

to stephanie (in her defence)

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Hello.  This is the one and only....haha Stephanie.  My sister told me not to come on here, but I had to see for myself what people were writing.  I almost cried when I read your blog.  Thanks so much!  You hit most stuff right on the tee.  But to tell ya the truth, things aren't always what they seem on reality tv.  GOD WHY DOESN'T ANYONE REALIZE THAT!!????  Reality tv gets cut and edited alot.  oh well, my true friends and family know the real me.  It's a little thrilling to have all these people care enought to turn on their computer, get on the net, sign on to dr phil,com, and post something about me.  They really care deep inside :)  haha.
Yes, Stephaine, i understand what you mean about reality tv and editing, etc. I also wonder why no one mentioned how many times people today advise young women to "make sure he treats you like a princess" (some say a "queen"). I'm guessing that this is where you got the "princess" idea. You're not saying you're better than other girls; you're saying a guy should treat you with love, affection, etc. Am I right or wrong? It may be that you and your fiance have materail values that are too different, as hard as that may be to face. Or that he has issues about showing affection to a woman and/or that you overreact. Maybe. I don't know. But as much as I ususally love the Dr. Phil show, I don't think you were treated fairly on this episode. Hopefully, it will be better next time.
 
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February 16, 2008, 1:15 am PST

Family Needs More Than Prayers

 This father is either the biggest shyster I've ever seen or else he has some kind of mental/psychological problem. I think it's the second because I can't beleive that even a fraud would put his children through this if he had anormal mind. He's an educated man and doesn't appear to be lazy. There are many jobs he could get. How can he think that God wants his family to live this way? That may be just an excuse, but as Dr. Phil said, "Why?" There must be "something wrong" with him.

The wife must have some kind of problem, too, or else why would she let herself -- and most of all, her children -- continue this way? On the show, it was obvious that she loves him, but does that justify living this way? She has a responsibility to her kids, too -- and they are defenceless -- can't do anything about this themselves. Myabe she just feels "stuck" since there are 7 children involved, but , God bless the kids, why did she let it get tothis point?  Both parents need some psychological help. Hopefully, the cleryman that was on the show will guide them in that direction.

I'm not as quick as some people to say the kids should be snatched away b/c they probably love their parents, etc. Also, they might be separated from each other which might be very traumatic for them, especially since they've been so isolated from others and so, I imagine, are even more close-knit than most families. But social services need to get involved on some level.  In fact, I'm surprised that Dr. Phil didn't say he would have to notify them.  I hope he did so or called some organization that can help these kids. Or maybe the clergyman will after he gets a closer look at the situation. This is no way to grow up.
 

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