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October 29, 2007, 4:51 pm PDT

who is the real victim

Quote From: suallen1

The actual biological father should have to pay support.  If the child and former "father" wishes to continue a good and established relationship, then it is of best interest to do so.  That does not mean financial support to the mother.  She has already done him enough wrong.

A crime has been committed yet we are overlooking and even condoning this type of behavior. Fraud in all its forms is very serious and should be looked on as such especially when it can land the victim of the fraud in jail. As we know if a man doesn"t pay court ordered child support he can put all his professional licenses in jeopardy as well as his freedom. Now add to that having to pay and knowing the child is not yours. A bitter bill to swallow yet the true prepretator goes unpunished and is rewarded financially. Is this America? No wonder we have an illegal immigration problem.  Punish the victim and reward the criminal duh.

I had little respect for Gloria Alred before the program now I have even less. Attorneys like her are what is wrong with the justice system. When a wrong has been done to someone let us try to right the wrong instead of continuing to wrong them just because of their gender or because the law is wriiten that way. When it is discovered that anyone is paying out money as a result of fraud that person should be given relief immediately regardless of whether there is a child involved or not . Support of the child should be assigned to the biological parents in all situations. How can we expect people to respect and honor the law if the law is not fair and just but biased and unjust. Gloria Alred has no sense of right and wrong or moral and honest but like so many in her profession what is schisty dishonest and corrupt but legal.

The mother of this poor unfortunate child in this sordid affair should tell the girl who here real father is,reimburse the accused father for the court order child support, stand trial for fraud if possible and hopefully do time in jail as an example to other mothers who play with people lives in such a dastardly way. Not only did she lie to her ex husband but lied to her child about who her father really was . Shame shame shame .

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:31 pm PDT

ray charles could see this

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The actual biological father should have to pay support.  If the child and former "father" wishes to continue a good and established relationship, then it is of best interest to do so.  That does not mean financial support to the mother.  She has already done him enough wrong.

Loving eyes can never see. When I say the child in question I could  see that he was not the father. It is apparent that the father is black unless the girl has been in the sun for a very long time before she came on the show.The girls mother has a lot of nerve trying to insist that he pay support for a child that  is not his and the poor fool that she married this time had better rethink his decision. Run don"t walk as far away from this evil deluded woman as you can possibly get or u will be next. She has no character and by becoming a part of this vile and malious scheme which has been going on for 13 years I must question her new husbands character The smartest person in this sick ghetto mess is the real father who got away from this situation  years ago and has not been seen sense. Or has he ?  We could ask her but she would probably lie.

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:54 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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What a witch her disgusting mother is, for creating this deception.  And the father and his new wife, not much better.  The new wife should have left well enough alone.  What business was it of hers?

 

The little girl deserves two better parents.  She's a beautiful young lady and I hope she knows her self image is more than those two creeps, that deserted her as parents.

I was not well enough. The new wife was looking out for her husbands best interest and should be commended. Would you want your husband paying child support  for a child that was not his and taking unnecessary money out of your household ? If you are that generous maybe you should help him out with the support that he has to pay even though it was obtained by deceit ,dishonesty and trickeration.

 
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October 29, 2007, 5:57 pm PDT

Its a lovers question

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 That's 30% of paternity tests performed - not 30% of births.

Think about it - 100% of those paternity tests were likely performed because there was a question.  Given that, 30% is actually quite low.

There is always a question if you as a man are smart just as there should always be a prenup. Wake up and smell the coffee.

 
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October 29, 2007, 6:12 pm PDT

10/29 Parent Trap

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What the mom did was wrong, obviously (and I wish that there was a punishment we could dole out to women who do this that wouldn't hurt their children).  Enrique was deceived, also obvious...  What doesn't seem to be so obvious to many here is that the child DOES belong to Enrique.  What I mean by this is that biology doesn't play a role in the relationship/feeling between parent and child, NOR SHOULD IT.  If I learned today that my child was not mine (whether through deception or a hospital error) it wouldn't change my love for my child, nor my desire to continue providing the best I can financially.  Money IS important in that it sends a message (a strong one) to the child about whether you treasure them or your money more.  I would want my child to know that regardless of whose they were biologically, that I would and will always consider them MINE.  And I'd make sure to reinforce this by providing for them financially!  I wouldn't allow for any question at all to permeate my kid's thoughts about where my loyalties are!

 

Enrique got screwed, but that in no way changes (or rather, shouldn't have changed) the fact that he has been her father!  Where are his feelings for her????  (His daughter is very bright to have heard his sudden and renewed interest in her with skepticism!) How could he have treated someone he raised from infancy, and supposedly loved, that way????  I wouldn't wish that kind of treatment on my worst enemy.  The feelings of abandonment this poor girl must feel, I can't imagine.  She may not realize this now, but I have no doubt that those feelings of abandonment and mistrust will affect her future relationships because they will affect how she feels about herself.  I pray she gets the help she needs as she grows to realize exactly what Dr. Phil said -- that she is worthy of love regardless of what that pseudo-father did to her. 

 

Frankly, I don't know how some people here can justify anything but a continuation of  a fatherly relationship, and that includes a FINANCIAL one.  NOT because this is "fair" to him, but because (more importantly) it is what is "fair" and right for HIS DAUGHTER.  And again, he should want to.  If I were him, I wouldn't care about seeking out the biological father so as to pay for my kid's expenses.  I would want nothing to do with him in fact, so as not to ruin the stability I would hope to continue to provide, (until my child wanted to seek him out, that is.  It's only natural that kids want to know who they biologically came from at some point in their lives).  My kid is mine.  Period.  I WOULDN"T ALLOW ANYTHING TO CHANGE THAT.  THAT"S WHAT UNCONDITIONAL LOVE IS SUPPOSED TO BE, ENRIQUE...

 

Finally, I imagine that several conditions must have existed for Enrique to be so cruel to the daughter he raised for ten years:  1) that he didn't really love her and 2) that he hated his wife so much for deceiving him that he preferred torturing his daughter in this way so as to punish the mother, (rather than seeing his daughter as the gift she is). Bottom line is that I would likely have divorced my wife and FOUGHT to keep my daughter(s)!  As for the poor daughter, I can't believe that now that she has another loving father in her life, Enrique decides that he wants and misses her....  REALLY?!? I  t took you YEARS to realize this, Enrique?!?  What a prince you are... You took the only father she had away from her (you), and now you don't want to give her a decent chance at a life with another man who DOES want to be her father and sees her as the blessing she is.  Something YOU couldn't do.  You've proven yourself completely unworthy of her.  Your "judgement" isn't the only thing that is bad.... YOU are!

YOU MISS THE POINT OF THE DISCOURSE. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT COURT ORDER CHILD SUPPORT .DOES THE GOVERNMENT HAVE THE RIGHT TO FORCE THIS MAN UNDER PENALTY OF INCARCERATION TO PAY CHILD SUPPORT FOR A CHILD THAT IS NOT BIOLOGICAL HIS AN D OF WHICH HE WAS FRAUDGENTLY DECEIVED INTO BELIEVING IT WAS.

I AM SURE HE WILL MAKE AMENDS WITH HIS DAUGHTER IN THE FUTHER WHEN SHE IS OLD ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THAT GROWN UPS ASLO FEEL PAIN AND SOMETIMES MAKE FOOLISH AND CAPRICIOUS DECISIONS.

 

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