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October 29, 2007, 8:20 pm PDT

Paternity

All men should insist on a DNA test to make sure the child is theirs. Don't brush it off or assume that because you are married to the woman, the child is yours. Women sucker men into thinking they are the father every day, and most states have a presumption of paternity if you are married and do not dispute it in a very short window.

 

Also, there is no time limit on when a woman can magically produce a child and demand a DNA test and child support. There should be a 4 or 5 year time limit on filing for paternity/child support bur currently there is not any in most states, which means if you are told you are daddy to 15 year old junior, have fun paying a few years of support to a child you did not know you had.

 

So many women get pregnant, have another guy play daddy then when they break up, go after the bio dad for support. I say if the woman cannot establish paternity in a timely manner and give the bio Dad an opportunity to know his child, she misses out.

 

So many women act like sluts and give non slutty women like me a bad name.

 

I am 35, have one child, and I am married to her Daddy and I know who her daddy is.

 
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October 29, 2007, 8:26 pm PDT

If most men knew

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we are imprefect and when you are taken adavtage of you beciome angry, yes it' not the childs fault but when you see the child it's a reminder.  they would be better off removing ANY finacial responsiblity from the inocent man and let him contuine to heal and be a father with embettering him more.

they were duped or that their girlfriends/wives were lying whores more men would contest paternity.

 

When these women do this, it is always about money. Child support appears to be adult support too in many cases.

 
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October 29, 2007, 8:51 pm PDT

Men do have the right

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Women have the right to ask for DNA to prove who fathered the child so why can't a man request the same procedure?  No one should be expected to pay child support for a child that is not theirs.  I also think the mother should be held legally responsible if she knows the child is not her husbands/boyfriends and lies to the courts about it.  It is about time that the rights of the mother and father be equal and that we throw out this anitquated theory favoring women in divorce.  I feel sorry for the child who finds out that his father really isn't his father and that his mother has been lying to him/her.  People do not realize the damage they do to children with their selfish acts.  If we insist that the man pay child support for a child that is not his we are giving the real father a free pass on his responsibilities and telling the mother what she did was acceptable. 

to a paternity test but in cases of mariage, or where an acknowledgement of paternity have already taken place, the man has fewer rights.

 

Some states have a presumtive father registry. Men who think they might be the father of an unborn child need to sign up for it, that way their rights are more protected.

 

Women though need to be held accountable for their actions. So many don't even think of the child, they just want that child support check.

 
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October 30, 2007, 1:04 pm PDT

There are no paternity disputes

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Are you saying it is more the woman's responsibility to provide and take care of the child?

with women and it is VERY easy for women to lie about a pregnancy or to trap a guy. Nobody is saying the motherr should be more fincially respomsible, but women should be held accountable for mis-identifying the father of their child, or flat out lying about the whole thing.

 

 

 
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October 30, 2007, 1:07 pm PDT

The problem is...

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When the show first began I took the fathers side, just by viewing his demeanor. I thought the mother looked like a woman with secrets up her sleeve. But, as the show progressed I found myself torn between different sides. For one thing, I am surprised no one gave the mother any credit or took her side. I don't mean her side as in the lying part but on the show she was very well put together. She never called names, she never accused, she never defended her actions. She always agreed when the audience booed her and Dr. Phil called her out. I think she really was there on the show for the daughter. As an adoptee myself, I whole heartedly believe that when you raise a child it is YOUR responsibility.

 

Now, the guest speaker, I forget his name but he was the man who said he had payed child support for eleven years when he was not the father. Why did no one think to call him out on the fact that he never bothered to get a DNA test when an ex girlfriend just called him up one day. That is pretty irresponsible if you ask me and he seemed to be a man that cared more about triumphing over accusing women than getting something serious done. In the case with the parents at hand they had been married at the time and I can understand why no DNA test was done.

 

The mother was completely at fault. No question about that. However, raising a child as your own for 10 years even when you were duped should be enough to have to pay child support. You were part of a unit, a family and all expenses were shared. Should the mother have to go to court for a lie? It is possible. But, as Gloria Allred said the child comes first. It is all about the child. Feminists get off your cushion about being treated fairly and men bring down your egos about who you may or may not have knocked up.

contesting paternity or establishing it can be expensive. Many men do not have teh money to fight something like this, especailly when the woman goes out of her way to commit fraud. Many people just do not have the legal expertise to research statutes, and many men simply do not know they do have some rights when establishing paternity.

 

Any man that finds himself in a real mess where he knows he is not the father of a child, needs the help of an attorney but where does one go if they don't have 5k as a retainer?

 
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October 30, 2007, 1:10 pm PDT

Did your husband

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My husband and I are supporting another man's child because in the State of California if a child was born during a marriage then that child is considered a child of the marriage.  We did not find out this until the little girl was 10 years old when her mother decided she should (without consulting my husband) tell this little girl that the person she thought was her father really is not...........  My husband is a wonderful man and continues to love this little girl as much as he ever has..... my question is why should we have to pay $1300.00 a month to support another man's child?  DNA testing can get you off a murder charge but not out of supporting a child that is not yours.  Where is the justice in that?  People say the child should come first and I agree, the mother should find the "real father" and force him to pay support as well as her supporting the child herself.........

not dispute paternity at the time she fell pregnant? Women have affairs all the time but unless the husband files for divorce and files to dispute paternity, the child becomes legally his.
 
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October 30, 2007, 1:14 pm PDT

Good luck!!!!!

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My husband and I are going to court today for the very same thing the show was about. His Ex-Wife tricked him into believing that he was the father for 7 years to a little girl. He had it thrown up in his face numerous times that he was not the father when he was married to her. He never had the guts to do a paternity test until 3 months there was a blow up and she took her away from us. That was what he afraid of if he did the test. Well, since she took her away from us, he decided to do a home DNA test and it came back as 100% he was not the father. Our court date was continued 2 times and finally we are going today...10/30/07!! We used to get her almost everyday after school and everyday during the summer, but she could not spend the night a lot because her mom said she had to help babysit her baby brother while her and her boyfriend were at work. My husband had a 1500lb mold fall from 5ft in the air at work and crushed his foot and had to have surgery, he still has to use a cane and is going to go thru another surgery. He is home everyday, but instead of us picking her up everyday from school like we did last year, her mom is sending her to LachKey. Child support has been completely cut off and she is not getting a dime. We are suing her for Paternity Fraud after this is all over with and hopefully our attorney can get it to where she will have to pay back all the child support my husband has pd for the last 7 years. This has nothing to do with money, but we feel that it's right for the real father to be involved in her life because she has a whole other family out there. My husband is not angry anymore and actually feels bad for the real father. Our main concern is if something medical happens to this little girl, her real family might be the only ones to save her. We found out the resuls of the DNA test 3 days after my husband was released from the hospital. He talked to his ex and she was feeling really bad and said she wanted to keep everything the same and did not feel that it was right for him to pay child support. Well, the only was to get that stopped was to agree to shared parenting and then she said she felt threatened we were trying to take her away from her mother. She completely cut all ties we had with the daughter except for every other weekend for 48 hrs. I look in her eyes and tell she has changed. When we had her all of last year when she was in 1st gradem she had straight A's, and now that we don't get her during the week, she is getting straight F's! We feel that is right that we get her everyday after school because I work 3rd shift and my husband can't work at all. We have plenty of time to work with her with school work and they don't. Her mom works FT and so diesn't her mom's boyfriend. Her mother does not get home until 5:30-6pm. She is completely taking advantage of the system. She has another child by her boyfriend and has been with him for at least 5/5 years and has not gotten married. She has been in a 2 year community college for at least 5.5 years....It is really frusterating to know that our child support that we pd went strictly to alcohol. She spends the night with her grandmother more then her moms....Well, I am done venting because WE HAVE TO GO TO COURT. Wish us luck and I will update the message doard tonight!!!!!
 
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October 30, 2007, 1:17 pm PDT

In most cases

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My husband's ex-girlfriend and her boyfriend at the time my husbands child was born was given another mans name and the boyfriends name was put on the birth certificate.  The boyfriend knew that the child was not his but wanted to raise him as his own.  My husband just assumed that the child was not his when he found out about the boyfriend and the fact that the child was given this mans name.  My husband had a DNA 15 years later and found out that he is the biological father.  Now we are trying to get my husband named as the legal father and get the boyfriend out of the picture. 

 

The problem is that since the boyfriend signed the birth certificate he more less adopted the child.  We have to get him to sign his rights away.

 

The mom is now going after my husband for 15 years of back child support.  We are fighting this in court as my husband was never given the chance to be the childs father.  She gave that to another man whom got to spend the first years of the childs life with him. 

 

This is a sad situation for my husband as well as the child.  This was a very poor decision of the mothers and now my husband and the child are having to deal with it.

 

I am happy to say we are trying to get all of this untangled through the courts and my husband and the child are working on getting a relationship going.  The unfortunate thing is that the mother does not seem to want the child to have a relationship with his dad.  Seems that she is only interested in the support.  My husband wants to provide for this child and will. 

 

For you men out there, Can you imagine raising a child with another mans name and your grandchildren even having a diffrent name than yours?  I am a women and I can't imagine it.

 

I just dont understand some women!

it is too late to do anything, and mom likely cannot go back 15 years for child support anyways.

 

If anyone is going to have to pay child support it is likely going to be the boyfriend, but there are some exceptions to this.

 

ALL MEN NEED TO INSIST ON A DNA TEST! YOU JUST NEVER KNOW!

 
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October 30, 2007, 1:19 pm PDT

sTOP LISTENING TO MOM

Quote From: leslie918

   Iam currently paying childsupport on a child that I don't think is mine.  I have had this question since he was born and  I have asked his mother for a DNA test and all she can tell me is what does it matter.  She also told me that this is the only way I can keep you around.  My mother told my that she would disown me if I press it.  The chid is asking his grandmother why his dad is not paying child support and she is telling him  he is and moma is telling him, if his dad was paying child support they would have money.  I just think if it's not  your kid than you should not pay child support.   Than maybe  that is one way to keep these women from pening this on anybody the want.

and go down to your local court to see how you go about getting a paternity test done. You do not need her permission to do this, if she is served with a court order for DNA testing she must comply.

 

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