Messages By: kisaiah

Quote From: jackienbmore

I agree with you....while she maintained her composure quite well and initially I really wanted to believe her!...her reaction to explicit sexual accusations seemed controlled (obviously by advice and coaching from her attorneys) ...she never said "I NEVER touched you that way!" etc...

The first thing I thought when I saw her pix and then her husbands was "Oh! she married a much older man" and then to find out she married her high school teacher ....I wonder how old they both were when they got involved? She may have been VERY young and immature at the time and as years go by maybe wondered "what did I miss out on?" and also the coded notes  show that she was getting down to the teenagers level of maturity and I simply DID NOT believe her decoding of those notes...they were a str-e-t-c-h!!!

 

I was flabergasted when both polygraph tests came back with deception....I think there is something she (and possibly her husband is covering too?) is hiding...something but not sure what....

In your 9 years of teaching how many student sleep overs did you have (while not having children of the same peer/age group of your own present)?  That was very suspect to me....

 

Jackie

Quote From: dlblust

I would like to address this to all on this message board, if you found Ms.Ogletree to be guilty, I would like to inquire what you are basing your reasons on. It seems to me that most of you are basing your reasons on feelings and not facts. I will not waste time with all the adjectives that I have seen here describing 'POOR MATT'.

For all of you who wonder why she would come out in front of a national audience and about her reactions or what to some seemed like a lack of emotion, let me give my opinion, after dealing with this problem for the last six years the initial reaction is over, its shock value has worn off. The forum she was aloud, the Dr. Phil Show gave this young women a platform to express her innocents but what I find to be more important it gave her a chance in front of a national audience, to expose the other two boys as the liars that they are. I can not speak to what was not aired so I will not speculate on what I have not seen. These 2 young adults, who are still acting like children only too well prove what Dr.Phil says about brains not fully developed, and unable to predicted the consequences of their actions.Now Matt and *** both failed the polygraph test or I should say were found to be deceptive. It seems to me that ****** was the only one to wise up and admit he had lied. The other 2 stayed on this runaway train skipping every stop.

Now as I observed Dr.Phil's remarks to her about her emotions, could be a way of saying 'hey girl, here is your chance to put it out there', your indignation, anger, frustrations etc, you get the point. Now if she was able to sit across from him and remain all collected, I find it difficult to believe that she would give in to carnal lust and hedonistic passions and for what to jeopardizes her job, career, reputation. At the risk of sounding crude, I know that at 15,16 I would get spontaneous erections in class or the library and if anyone would have touched my penis I would have an orgasm pert near instantly. So that rules out sex as being a reason. So where does that leave us, we have two boys who are now post pubescent with lots of raw testosterone coursing through their veins.

Now Matt was a big man on campus he was voted prom king so he had quite a reputation to live up too and what better way than to say you slept with a teacher, suddenly you are a stud on campus, the problems developed when the rumors made the rounds and reached administration, then the Sh*t hit the fan, it was either confess and face expulsion or ride it out. Well, six years later we know what he did, and he is still riding. (NOTE: this is just speculation on my part, I only base it on when I was in high school, we had guys spouting out the same kind of crap, and some bought into it and others knew what liars they where, guess which side I fall on?)

For those of you who wonder why she would spend such time on the same details, thats easy, she had 6 years to consider all this, and wanted to take apart his lies each and every one. Probable not the smartest or best use of the time she was allotted in front of a national audience but she wasn't accused of being the sharpest tool in the shed and being naive is not a crime but Perjury is, and that friends is partly why the DA called for a mistrial. Matt was on the stand and was giving a different version of what took place, added new details and forgot others. So when this train stopped at the court house and Matt got off he had a chance at redemption, which he just walked on past and right into being the center of attention sitting in the witness stand. Here friends is where the train started coming off the rails, between his inconsistencies and adding new details and skipping others and the ADMISSION of *** that he lied about anything happening between him and Ms.Ogletree. The DA was aware of the lies from *** and was smart enough to see that his case against her was falling apart. So the DA's request was granted and the Judge dismissed the charges.These 2 boys should be thanking the DA, I am sure their parents are glad of being saved any more embarrassment. After watching Matt today I have no doubt he would of buckled under cross examination.

So where does this leave us, well as questions where being put to him toward the end of the show, Matt seemed to digress when he spit out the statement 'Well your husband was your high school teacher' I think he was getting a little to close to the firebox. With that one quip he seem to be a prepubescent boy. This was real unscripted emotion and why you ask, well I think because she felt like he was attacking, but not her but her husband, Doug. As we all know it's allot easier to put up with someone coming at us, versus coming after say a child or parent or a spouse. She got protective instantly, I can make no judgments or determination as to whether anything was inappropriate with her and Dougs relationship, that was not the topic today, but I did see it as him trying to get the heat off his back and when she shot back whats that have to do with anything, he did not have an answer.

I have no problem with teachers being friendly. I remember back in high school and the teacher of the year award always seemed to go to a nice friendly person. I just can't think of one nasty and mean teacher that has ever been elected teacher of the year. I believe that people are called to teach whether it's an internal call or some outside force, but I believe most teachers enter this profession in hopes of making a difference in young people lives. So I don't find it strange or out of the ordinary when a teacher sponsors a club or drill team or flag corp, thats what they do. My high school government teacher sponsored some of us to go with him and attended the political process of electing delegates at a caucus. It was not sanctioned through the school, he just asked for a note from each of our parents and so 5 of us went, I learned so much from just that exposure, plus the enthusiasms it generated still exist for the political process even to this day, I vote in all elections and campaign for candidates when possible, so Tom McCarver thank you.

The point to this long statement is, if there is or is not any impropriety it will make teachers not want to get involved with their students lives or after school activities and that is a shame, hell before you know teachers are going to need to buy malpractice insurance to cover just such a case as we are talking about. It just doesn't seem fair, to lose the benefit of a teacher passion for education in and out of the class room and replace it with what? Television!

Parents need to parent, I don't want a bunch of hate mail from this statement. I know it takes 2 incomes to survive in todays world and as a result our children are growing up faster and faster with less adult supervision. Some things just shouldn't change like your core values. The definition of respect, polite, courteous, the honor system, truthfulness, helpful these words are just as valuable now as they where when whoever dreamed them up. All to often we expect our teachers to be baby sitters as well as educators, now I don't know about you all friends but I don't want anybody other than myself or my wife teaching our daughter what is important. Thats my job, my values, I am her Dad first and foremost. When parents are confronted with a situation that requires discipline all to often a parent will let it slide, which makes it that much easier to let the next thing slide, When my daughter was caught in telling a lie, she lost bike riding privileges that was something that was important to her, we haven't had any problems with lying after a couple of times of walking or sitting and watching her friends ride their bikes.and so my observation of this young man (Matt) is that he knows what he can get away with and is pushing the envelope and I would be willing to bet that if his background was looked into you would find misdeeds that caused him no real trouble. I mean he did sit there and expected us to believe he has never lied before, talk about misfiring, with that one remark he just sealed the deal as far as I was concerned. The question were put to him with just enough time to answer before the next question came, totally spontaneous, not able to think ahead to where he was being lead and with all three answer, well lets just say I did not believe him.

On to the notes, I agree with some of you but only so far, I think it was a Little inappropriate or Naive but there was a certain innocence to it as well, all you former girl scouts out there remember how you might have learned the colors of the rainbow, the old roygbiv or R O Y G B I V, now to all of you who used this to learn the colors of the rainbow it is a simple little code but I am sure that with a little time I could turn this to mean something sinister or inappropriate. I excepted her explanation of the 2 notes in the 48 hour period. He never gave an explanation for receiving the two notes, he only gave an interpretation of them, She gave both a reason and an explanation of what the notes meant, and I didn't see him object or say she was lying about why she gave him the notes.

Based on what I have observed during the 2 shows, the only conclusion I can draw is that she is not guilty of any misconduct or inappropriate behavior with the 2 boys. She might be guilty of being naive or even an unprofessional act, passing a note. But the last time I checked it is not a crime to be naive. If this where a criminal case there is more than enough evidence to support a reasonable doubt and if it where a civil case, the scales are tipped very much in favor for her. On the other hand watching Matt and his demeanor and the result of the polygraph, that was administered, so we could see how it was preformed and what the results where. I can only find him guilty. Guilty of Perjury, slander, Making false statements to a investigator, maybe a little obstruction of justice, and throw in a little sexual harassment.

In closing my only wish is, 'I would hope the 2 young men come forward and clear themselves and her with a confession of the truth. That way these boys can get on making there way in the world, with out the cloud of suspicion hanging over them. The Ogletree family will be able to move forward with their lives and the community can start to heal, and as Americas favorite moron says 'Life is like a box of Chocolates, you never know what your gonna get'!  Signed, Donald Blust

Quote From: judyndskie

I agree with you about Al. He is always looking for ways to stir the pot and dig up stuff that happened years ago. Thats why racism still remains today. We are all equal today and blacks get the same treatment that whites get. We had no control over the slavery thing. That was also years ago. Whats with a word? Maybe the 'N' word really does mean 'Poor' If thats the case, I am a 'N' as well.And I always wondered why it is when a baby is born to a white and black parent, why is the child called a black child? Isn't he 50% white and 50% black, so why say you are black instead of saying you are white? I have black friends and I have white friends and have no problem with most blacks, but they too can sometimes have attitudes towards us just like anybody else. Even the Bible has words that we don't like to be called, but they are just words and whats with a word anyway? The Bible talks about Heathans, sluggards, drunks,harlots etc. A word only defines something and maybe the 'N' word describes being poor. There are always going to be words that we don't like said or being called but somebody had to name all of these things on earth and some of the words just got out of context. I don't think 'Negro' sounds any better than 'N*****' and it rymes with tigger,digger,bigger,etc. I beleive it's the way the word has been used that actually makes it sound like a bad word. Hope you get my point.