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January 8, 2008, 3:05 pm PST

Human Rights

I absolutely believe that laws are required to protect us with regard to the Internet.  I remember the day I saw the story on the news about Megan.  I knew there was nothing they could do legally and I was appalled. 

I volunteer in school classrooms, working alongside teachers, to educate young people about abuse, harassment and bullying.  Of course, the information includes cyberbullying.  It is frustrating to me when there are adults that do not take responsiblity for their own behaviour on the Internet (and elsewhere) because they are the role-models for children.

Nothing can be done legally because the laws have not been created YET.  I know that we want to be careful about how we may affect our freedom of speech when we create these laws, however I think many people would agree that when the the words reflect racial discrimination, or if they single out any person or group of people, harass, demean, cause fear, involve/encourage child abuse or any other offenses to our basic human rights, then it crosses the line and the person/people/company/entity must be held accountable.

We, as adults, must understand how our words impact others (despite the "intent") so we model appropriate behaviour to children.  Jokes are not jokes if EVERYONE around you is not laughing.  Jokes are not jokes if they make fun of a person’s abilities, skin colour, ethnicity, religious background, size, shape, etc. This is just basic common sense.

I support Megan’s mom in her pursuit to create some new and much needed laws.

 
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January 8, 2008, 11:21 pm PST

01/08 Cyber Bullies

Quote From: noellskie

I am waiting in anticipation for this episode to air because the focus is on my thesis topic. I explored the impact of technology on bullying for my undergraduate thesis paper. What I leaned fro my research is that cyber bullying is typically a continuation of traditional bullying in the sense that usually involves the same individuals who are engaging in the behavior at school. However because of the inherent nature of the Internet the short and long term consequences of cyber bullying warrants increased concern. What I found most troubling was that cyber bullyig is much more difficult to prevent and combat for two specific reasons. The first reason is because it is harder to identify those involved because of the anonymity of the net and because youth involved are more hesitant to report it out of fear that they will lose access to or have their Internet access restricted.
This is very interesting. Great idea for a thesis. Perhaps one day it will provide useful info to schools or other children's groups.
 
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January 9, 2008, 10:43 pm PST

01/08 Cyber Bullies

Quote From: robfra611

There are parents that beat and abuse their own children. Megan's mom failed her daughter.

harsh.  i think you are pointing the finger at the wrong adult
 
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January 9, 2008, 11:06 pm PST

so judgemental

Quote From: tammielee

Still....in the end, we are talking about suicide from name calling.....it is a huge stretch and obviously this gal had much more issues than what this one person said to her on the internet....which if it happened over a long period of time, the mother of the gal who killed herself should have disconnected the internet rather than let her repeatedly login to take the abuse and respond to it.
In Megan's case, the mother was involved more than many parents are. I'm sure that she is judging herself enough without your help. Someone who is grieving often wonders what s/he could have done differently.  I think it is so sad that people can be so judgmental of this grieving mom's actions.  She had nothing to do with encouraging the woman to do this to this little girl.  Let's keep the focus on the appropriate person.  Name calling is not something that just rolls off everyone's back.  Please learn a little more about emotional abuse before you judge her.  Just because you cannot relate to it does not mean it does not affect others.
 
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February 14, 2008, 12:17 am PST

may not understand

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 I think Dr. Phil is being way to hard on the Military mom whose daughter was molested.  I am in no way condoning what happened but years ago that "stuff" was swept under the rug.  I do believe that a chaplain could have told the mother that once a molester is outed that it stops.  We know that is not true today but there are many uninlightened people in this world.  I feel sorry about the whole situation but I do not believe that Dr. Phil is giving the mom a chance to have a relationship with her daughter, I think this time he is actually making it impossible.  I am usually in agreement with him but I can't be this time.
Saraan, you may not understand the whole situation.  We who have been abused in this way have had to deal with people who lack the education to know about sexual abuse victims.  We have been not believed by some people, accused for wanting or asking for it by some people, thought of as dirty, tainted, sick, pitiful... and it goes on.  We can try to deal with it when they are people we do not care about, but when it is those closest to you, particularly your own mother, you must understand that regardless of whether she understood the situation to its full extent, she still chose to keep her child in harm's way.  It is doubtful that she never suspected it again.  If you caught someone with a child, wouldn't you keep an EXTRA eye on that person??  Also, you may not understand that the instances of mothers who look the other way when they find out is higher than we can ever be comfortable with, which was why this show was SO IMPORTANT.  It must shed light on this terrible re-victimization of children, and in my opinion, any adult who knows of the abuse of a child or vulnerable person and does not report it, is as guilty of abusing that child as the offender.  (This is in our criminal code in Canada.  I'm not sure about the US.)
 
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February 14, 2008, 8:59 am PST

02/13 Behind Closed Doors

Quote From: luannet

that's all I could think. 

 

The weirdo step dad was the creepiest.  We, your audience, could see the dilemma in your face.  You do what you think is right, don't let him get away with anything else.  You really had to grasp that chair arm to keep from pelting him didn't you?  Men like that look for lazy mothers, that's all there is to it, and as you know, A LOT of overwhelmed mothers, happily turn over the kids when they remarry....silly (stupid) women chasing fashion....I have to use that line too often. 

Love, Luanne

Luanne, your statement reflects that you may be a little mislead about the women that pedophiles look for.  My biological father abused me, and I can attest that in our family, my mother was certainly not lazy, though perhaps overwhelmed by the dynamics of our family.  My father was quite often out of work, leaving my mother to work extra hours to pay the bills.  We could only count on her emotionally and financially, and my father's laziness provided more unsupervised access to me.  She was the only one working most of the time, and quite often came home to a lot of fighting.

I warn against drawing any type of conclusions about who abusers are and who they are drawn to because these opinions can blind a person to what may be happening right under their noses.  And trust me, children who are being abused need other adults to be paying attention.
 
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February 14, 2008, 9:23 am PST

02/13 Behind Closed Doors

Quote From: frankiemn

What am I missing here. I watched the show and still can't see whySusan, the mother, deserved such a vicious attack by Dr. Phil. I'm not convinced that Susan knew her daughter was being molested all that time.  She witnessed one incident of molestation and reported it to military officials who were totally dismissive or wanted to cover it up. She went to the military chaplain to talk about it. He told her that it wasn't likely to happen again since the husband had been caught in the act.. Susan admitted to bad judgment and making mistakes on the show. What more was she to do? This was 25 years ago and people didn't know what they know now about pedophiles. According to Phil she should have run away and camped out under a bridge with her 4 children. I can empathize with the victims of these crimes but Susan seem to be branded as guilty of everything just because "Dr. Phil said so" not because of any hard evidence.

 
I think what you may be missing, blessedly, is a perspective from those who have lived through this.  Dr. Phil, I am certain, has listened to enough stories to understand this from a few different perspectives.  Everything he said showed me that he understands this quite well.  The chances that she knew that it continued to happen are very good but that she turned a blind eye to it.  The fact that Heidi is so angry with her mother indicates to me that she certainly felt that her mother willingly placed her back into this pedophile's hands.  If a mother notices her husband sneaking off to a child's bedroom or is missing in the middle of the night, or wants to spend time with the children alone, a red flag must be raised and she must be vigilant.  Now please don't say that we will start blaming loving fathers.  There is a difference.  If people do not know what the signs are, there is PLENTY of reading material on this subject, and still more being created all the time.

Sadly, there are many children getting repeatedly assaulted by a pedophile while adults turn away and claim to be naive about what happened.  I think Susan was quite open about why she stayed.  It was because she was afraid of raising all of those children alone, and she sacrificed her daughter to do it.

Thanks to shows and message boards like this, there is an opportunity for those who do not understand to learn from the victim who truly and sadly understand all too well.

I am proud to say that my mother did not respond in this way.  She called the police and had my father arrested immediately and we were placed that evening into a transition home, and have not seen his since that day, except in court.  This is the appropriate response.  A child's worst fear is that they will not be believed or will be blamed.  That is the tactic my father used and is a common one.  How horrendous is it when it comes true for a child.  It is a never-ending nightmare that is worse than you can imagine.  Please open your mind and read through the anger, hurt and blame of the posts from survivors.  Many of these people had a mother just like her.  Thank you for being honest about your feelings about the show.
 
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February 14, 2008, 9:36 am PST

02/13 Behind Closed Doors

Quote From: bluetopaz

There is still no one addressing the fact that this Heidi victim found compassion to forgive her molester????      This is what I don't understand........How can SHE do that?    You forgive the one that violates you over and over and over but you cannot forgive your mother?????    And as a victim when she turns 18 (an adult) goes to fly and see her molester and from my understanding of what was said on the show....stay with him in the barracks??????????????

At 18......18......now an adult.....now can go and put this LOSER behind bars.  But instead she forgives the person who VIOLATES her and goes against her mother and uses this continually to her advantage.  I HAVE NO MERCY FOR HEIDI!!!! or for anyone who ALLOWS themself to let themself continue to be violated by a molester for SEVERAL YEARS!!!!!

Stop always blaming other and look at yourselves.   I understand at the age of 5 or 9 you don't know what to do but here's the thing, you could have called the police everytime it happened.  Go to the school nurse and have them file a complaint. 

How can anyone let abuse happen for up to 10 years.  Unbelievable and I find excuses being made here to justify whatever it is you need it for.
Bluetopaz, you must have missed it when Dr. Phil explained that the dynamic between an offender and his/her victim can go on for years and perhaps a lifetime.  This was not the case for me, but I still understand it and would NEVER blame someone for this, regardless of the age.  I can forgive a person's lack of understanding if they have not lived through this but I cannot forgive a lack of compassion and an outright blaming of anyone who has lived through it.  As I have said in other posts, for those who do not understand, there are many many books out there which can offer many different perspectives to aid in understanding.  You would only place blame on the pedophile if you understood it. 
 
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February 14, 2008, 9:52 am PST

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As a mother, I can't even begin to comprehend how or why a mother would stay with a man who molested her child.

That said, I was disappointed in how dismissive Dr. Phil was to the mother's explanation.  The mother repeatedly stated she was wrong, and he continued to beat her over the head with a club.  She was merely explaining why she did what she did -- not defending it. 

If you haven't lived the culture of a military family overseas, you don't know what it is like.  This wasn't merely a matter of a mom trading her daughter for food and shelter.  Predators like child molesters operate by isolating their victims.  The fact that this family was stationed overseas only served to help facilitate that isolation.  I was an AF brat and an AF wife and I love the military.  I was lucky to have a wonderful  father and  wonderful husband, so my experience overseas was fine. But the fact is, those who haven't lived that life know NOTHING about the culture.  We are called "dependents" for a reason.  When you are living on a base overseas,  you are completely beholden to military and/or your sponsor (husband/dad generally)..  Many personal liberties that civilians take for granted have to be undertaken only with permission in the military.  And the reality is that, 25 years ago when this apparently took place,  there was not much in the way of family support. It is not like there are battered women's shelters on base.  It was all about the military member and the family was supposed to reflect well on him.  If Dr. Phil doesn't think something like child molestation wouldn't have been swept under the rug back in the eighties, he is naive.  Clearly, the military  keeps medical records.  If Dr. Phil took the time to have a PI investigate the molester, he could have and should have taken the time to have the military account verified.

I would like to think that, if this mother were in the security of her hometown with a network of family and friends to support her, she would have acted differently.  (Of course, that still doesn't explain why she ever left her kids alone with this man again, but I don't presume to know what was in her head.)
You don't presume to know what  was in her head but  you have no problem making excuses for her.  Please know that THAT is the whole point of people's anger... she left the kids alone with him after she knew what he did.  This happens too often to children.  You are questioning what was going on in her head... well imagine how we feel - we who have been abused this way.  She stayed for years.  You think there was never ONE indication that it may have been happening again?  You must understand how bold pedophiles get when they know that no one will do anything about what they are doing.  The abuse tends to become more frequent and less hidden.
 
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February 14, 2008, 10:22 am PST

indifference

Quote From: yahssis

 

 

Dr Phil, I notice you rarely let us know what personality disorders the people on the show have, before you let us observe their homes and their behaviors during your interviews.

 

From what I've studied, Susan, the mother, clearly suffered from borderline symptoms or at least Stockholm Syndrome, due to (I'm guessing), possibly growing up in a home where the adults held absolute, unquestioned authority over the children and living in a marriage of isolation and domination due to the man being in the military, and probably suffering from effects of the rigorous/probably abusive treatment he was receiving.


When Susan told you that she was in the basement and doesn't remember the incidents, you insisted that this could not be.  Ever hear of DISSOCIATION?  It is very common during trauma.  I feel you were totally not giving us the full picture of this mother.

 

Now, Heidi, you need some serious cognitive therapy for Narcissistic Personality Disorder issues.  The way you were mocking what your mother said (right or wrong, evil or pure as she may/not have been), you clearly portrayed yourself as high and mighty, callous and scoffing.  A truly Narcissistic person.  I cannot blame you for turning out this way, based on the abuse by your step father and also the dysfunctional problems of your mother.  You still acted really snobby and not like someone I'd want to get close to.  I hope you get therapy soon and learn about forgiveness of ALL people and interpersonal relationships that are healthy.

 

Heidi, you were laughing with a "yeah  right" attitude through the entire show, not taking into account the feelings of the other person, your mother, at all...again narcissistic.  I really felt myself just wanting to slap ya during the show.  Sadly, you had to pretty much live your life in an atmosphere of distrust, feeling that you had to protect yourself and probably raise yourself too. 

 

Heidi also seems to not remember things that her mother has physical proof of.  I'd check into that, Dr Phil.

 

Regarding the abuser...Dr Phil, have you ever heard of an abuser who, during the abuse, emits brain chemicals, that, after the abuse, are no longer there.

 

Susan, I am sorry for you, that you had no help available for any of the abuses you suffered in your own life, that gave you the borderline issues which caused you not to be a good mother to your daughter.  I realize that the military is a whole other world and you were isolated and things were covered up.  I cannot excuse what happened to your daughter, yet I also believe you when you say that you had no idea what was going on THE FIRST TIME.  After that, there would have been some signs in your daughter's behaviors, etc.  The thing is, again, if you were mentally dysfunctional, you would not know what signs to even notice.  It's a very complicated thing all the way around, but it boils down to the fact that all people need a personal relationship with the One who forgave us first...His name is Jesus.

 

I will be praying for you all.

 

PL

We got to know Susan and Heidi over the period of a one-hour show.  Heidi has been dealing with this her whole life.  Susan was the narcissistic one, in my view (obviously not yours) .  Imagine if she had been your mother.  Every time you talked to her about how you felt, even if it was to say how horrible it was that she knew and did not do anything to stop it, and she had that attitude for as long as she has (about 20 years or more), wouldn't you be really sick of hearing it?  Heidi wants to hear her mother say that she was wrong, she is sorry, and if she had it all to do over again, she would have done it differently.  It is surprising to me that you cannot understand Heidi's anger.  Perhaps you do not understand the nightmare she had to endure because her mother chose to keep her exposed to a pedophile.
 

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