Messages By: ashamed1624

Quote From: momakababe

rainpainrain no I didn't go to the show.  And I guess my post was confusing because I hadn't see the top part of the show but I was responding to the last comment at the top of this message board where they have the caption on the show.  The part on Karen and Rick is an update from a preivous show and I think if you click on "rick" it'sll take you to that show.  This verbal and emotional abuse was pretty bad and it had already escalated to physical fighting that (in his words) were he never became "physical without provocation" .  So I guess if he's telling her she's a fat whore and she slaps him that's card blanch to give it to her back?  He'd been opening magazines and asking the kids "don't you wish Mommy looked like that?"  and stuff like that.  He'd gone out and been necking and petting with some woman and had taped her picture to the treatmill so it would inspire him to work out.  Oh yea he's not without a weight problem himself but that doesn't stop him from calling his wife a "fat slob"?  He gives *detailed directions how to clean the house* because aparently his wife doesn't do it just right.  I would have given him reason LONG ago for it to have turned physical cause I should have stuffed that list down his throat.  Seriously I would have packed his bag & he'd have found himself just out.  But this woman Karen says that she doesn't want to leave him because of the children and because as crazy as it sounds she still loves him.  The poor dear doesn't realize that the person she loves was an illusion to suck her in so he could abuse.  :(  I feel for her I do.  Dr. Phil knew all this and basically said as much Frankly I think over the past few years even Dr. Phil has been given an education by us board people to the real dynamics behind abuse etc.  I  think the average therapist or counselor didn't realize that trying to "give counsel" just gave these narcissists amunition to further abuse.   Her friends and a few family members had come on board to try to reach out to her  & I hope they were able to make a connection.  Karen was working a full time job but had *no money* because he was the one who paid the bills etc.  You know right now as *everyone is watching* this abuser has to be on good behavior and so if she's to make a touchie change now is the time to do it and I tried to tell her to make her check now a auto dept. into an account he does not have access to.  Then she can give money back for bills and she no longer has to ask for an allowance that she was not given?  She needed to start taking back some of her power while people were watching.  The escalation had gotten so that it's libel to turn real ugly once things go quiet.  Apparently she's far from her family and closer to his and they "side with him"?  I imagine it's generational.   I've this horrible feeling that they're thinking they can "work it out" even though Dr. Phil sounded as though he had this guys # and the title "narcissist" was Dr. Phils.    I dunno what's happened since,  Karens been on the message board but I guess they're not suppose to say anything until the show airs.  I have so much trouble watching this stuff because I always wanna reach in and just pull these victims out.   And really it has to come from therm.  Anyway when I saw above it said that "viewers where speechless" I thought "well I was a viewer and I had plenty to say along with many others".  LOL  I'll admit that I had a dropped jaw as I'd watched but there's plenty of people who responded and had a LOT to say.