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February 20, 2008, 2:33 pm PST

Narcissist

Its not about the weight. Its about control. He is more than a bully. He is a narcissistic personality. It stems from way back in his childhood. I was married to a narcissist. They are charming during the dating period. You don't see the the other side until after the wedding. It starts out gradual. The verbal abuse doesn't come on like gangbusters. Its little things in the beginning. My husband use to tell me even a dog learns eventually. When will you learn. You aren't even as smart as a dog. It tears you down. Like Dr. Phil said that you begin to think there is something wrong with yourself. Its a daily battle between good and evil.
I continued a fight between my spirit of who I knew I was with the memories of the evil the words spilled out. I loved this man and thought I could fix him if I just learned what he wanted. But I realized after 6 years I would never be good enough or could never learn enough. We have been divorced one year and I still cry over it. But I am healing
 
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February 20, 2008, 2:43 pm PST

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Karen, I hope you read this message. Get out now. There is no way that man is going to change, and he needs to. I was in a similar situation in my first marriage and I got out luckily before there were kids involved. I had gained weight and my husband told me that I was disgusting and he wanted nothing to do with me. I know how it feels, but not to the extent that you suffer. Your husband, or the man that you married because he certainly does not act like a husband, is a pig. I had so much anger surging through my body as I watched him and heard the way he treated you and your children. You need to get out as soon as possible. If you don't, you will regret it and your children will suffer. Your son will learn this example and do the same thing to his wife, and your daughter will grow up thinking that body image is the only thing that matters and he self esteem will suffer. Get away from that man and do everything that you can to keep him away. I'm sure it will not be easy because he is so controlling that he will probably make it very hard to you legally, but you need to get out. The sooner the better.

Its not about weight. This type of personality picks whatever gives him the upper hand to complain about. I was married to one. I was a size 10. But he picked on me about stupid things. He wanted to make me over with haircuts and hair color, how I dressed, etc.
He is the only important one in a relationship. You are just there for him to pick on. After 6 years, the divorce proceedings were a nightmare. He accused me of all kinds of absurd things. Even his lawyer threatened to quit if he didn't have proof of what he was saying. He was continuing the verbal abuse. Finally it was over but the emotional scars will be there for sometime to come. Karen needs to divorce him and get on with a new life. He will never change. He will find someone else to abuse. My husband was married multlple times and each time it was the wifes fault. He thinks he is Mr. wonderful who just picked the wrong women. Ha!!
 
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February 21, 2008, 9:24 am PST

The kids will suffer

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Not impossible.  What Karen needs is a husband who loves her no matter what.  I know Karen personally and I won't reveal too much, but she is a wonderful wife to this IDIOT!  She does not deserve his treatment.  She's putting up with it just for the kid's sake, which I feel to be for the wrong reason.  If they grow up to witness this treatment throughout their lives, they too will inherit the disease, which is not fair to them.

 

 If there are any single, decent, honest, not necessarilty good looking men out there who needs a nurturing wife, she is the one!  Her kids are so well mannered and adorable, it would be hard not to love them.  Even if not your own.  Believe me, there is some lonely man out there that would appreciate the kind of life that she can give.  She needs a rescue!

I believe my narcissistic husband was damaged in childhood. Because of the era in which he was raised 60 years ago, he lacked the love and attention that his father was unable to give him. His sisters were shown all kinds of affection, but don't make a boy a sissy by showing him the same thing. My husband was never able to love a wife because he was not taught how to. He became a self preservationist. He watched out for number one. He was going to control who he was going to love. I agree with Dr. Phil that it is about his insecurities and self worth. The grandiose of how important they think they are. The children need to be in a healthy relationship. Staying with this man is going to damage them forever. She would be better off single and then maybe she could meet a good man some day. My ex has had 6 or more marriages and relationships and the failure was all the woman's fault. Never his. Karen run for the hills.
 
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February 21, 2008, 9:39 am PST

What could have been

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I felt horrible for Karen too because I am also 3 months into my divorce from my husband of 22 yrs. After finding out my husband had been cheating on me I was so traumatized that I said we had to go to counseling. Luckily we did. I say luckily because the psychiatrist we went to was is a wonderfully caring man who used to be the pastor of a church I attended several yrs ago.  After a couple of sessions together & some testing he began to see us separately. My husband was diagnosed as schizophrenic, ADHD, Depressed & I believe he has some bipolar issues too. Of course I was depressed & had been for years. Finally Like Karen I had someone (not as abruptly as Dr Phil) saying he has some serious problems too. My husband did not straight out call me names. He played mind games. I also realize now I was his caretaker/codependent. I was worn out mentally. I married him at 18 and had my son right away. I didn't know who I was without him. I had isolated my self and didn't talk to anyone about our problems. Everyone thought my husband was a great guy and we had the perfect marriage. I was tied to him in so many ways. He had us on the brink of bankruptcy at one point. Luckily we turned that around before the the big shock. We had our business together. Our son was in college. My family all live 12 hrs away. My mother died many yrs ago so I couldn't run home to mom. I felt stuck and scared to death. I was strong many yrs ago but I was beaten down. I thank god I had the doc to talk to. Some one to finally tell my story to. Some one who had the training and experience to help me come out of the fog. My eyes are wide open now. By being able to talk about it all I realized I didn't want to live like this any more. That I would be better off with out him. He is a Narcissist and didn't get it. The counseling didn't help him but it helped me tremendously. It took five months for me to come to that conclusion and tell him I wanted to separate. He moved out three months ago & I filed for divorce.  It was not easy. He got very mad & quit taking his medication. I have minimum contact with him now and am SO relieved I don't have to see him and put up with his craziness every day now. One day at a time I am finding who I am. I could see that Karen is also beaten down and afraid to go out on her own. She like myself just wanted things to get better. Unfortunately with a Narcissist they don't GET IT and maybe never will. She like Dr Phil said needs individual counseling & time to think through all that she has been through and is going to go through. She need supports from family and friends. It is doable Karen.

My dating period with my ex was wonderful. I thought I had found my dream mate. He was everything and more that I wanted in a Husband.
Now I am not a kid. Over 55 and thought I had common sense. But he swept me off my feet.
Five months later we were married. The first signs of dysfunction started the first month. By the end of our first year I knew we were in trouble. I hung in there for 5 more years trying to get back the man that I dated. Mr wonderful. But now I realize that was all a fantasy. Not real. The true man was the one that appeared after the wedding. A narcissist puts all of their energy into the courtship. They will be whatever you want them to be. Then after they let down their guard and you see the true person, what a shock for me. I was confused and was questioning what I had missed during the dating. Later because of the commitment that most women have when they take their marriage vows you keep working on it long after it is over. You can't fix a NPD. Narcissistic Personality Disorder is not fixed with medication. It is a pattern of their life. They are very functional away from the home. They do not want the outside world to see any flaws. They go to great length to hide it. My ex warned me about disrespecting him in public. If I did there would be hell to pay. I never did and when the separation came people were shocked. They had no idea.
Karen need to protect her kids and run for the nearest exit. Good Luck.
 
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February 21, 2008, 10:24 am PST

Its not about weight

Quote From: juliebgg

Just from reading the preview..this woman needs to get a backbone and fast!!!!! Quite frankly, based on the descrition of what this guy has done and the put-down comments he makes, I'd have taken the kids and run for the hills a long time ago if I were Karen.  No one deserves to be called names for being overweight, and pointing to other women (attractive and skinny I'm sure!) and asking the kids if they want her for their new Mommy is unconscienable.   And whether he realizes it or not, he is not motivating his wife with his insults. He is making her miserable and she is probably turning to food to fill the huge void. And what message does this send to the kids?  Hope she has some extended family support she can count on, and that she gets herself and the kids out as soon as possible.
If you listen closely its not just about the weight. He also complains about the house is not clean and the clothes are not folded. She has no maternal instincts. He said if he doesn't do it , it won't get done. There would never be any satisfying him. He is too superior. He will move from subject to subject forever. She works outside the home but he thinks its the woman's job to do the household chores. Not once did he say he was helpmate with the kids. He brought her on the show to have Dr. Phil fix her. I have been in her shoes. I know what she is feeling.
These types drain you. You walk on eggshells, trying to stay under the radar, but it doesn't matter. He will find you and still pick on something. It never ends. I was a strong self assured woman until my ex got ahold of my self esteem. It comes on so gradual. If you saw it all at once you would never have married him. Then before you know it you are in an emotional prison. Until you have the LIGHT BULB moment and have the courage to leave, it will stay status quo. Run Karen.
 

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