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March 3, 2008, 3:14 pm PST

03/03 Teens and Sex with Bishop T.D. Jakes

I have to say, that 14 year old was so  well spoken. Much more so than the 18 year old. I was pretty blown away!

Steph, the 18 year old, kept saying ridiculous emotional things that don't apply to everyone...and she seems to believe her only value as a woman is her unused vagina.
 
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March 3, 2008, 3:20 pm PST

03/03 Teens and Sex with Bishop T.D. Jakes

Quote From: shedizzy

i do not think that that is something the school should teach. even at the pep rally. That should be totally up to the parents at that point. I do believe there is a point in to much information. I also dont agree with the school showing that because it takes the infasas off of how dangerous sex can be. If in one breath you say don't do this because of da da da da da and in the next you say but this is how you put on a condom so you can have sex. it defeats the purpose. All the kid is going to remember is the condom

 

Now, let me clarify myself even further. I would rather have a sexually active teen use a condom rather then not.  .......But, I'm not going to tell my son all that stuff and show him all the things that can go wrong and hand him a condom while saying it.  I don't dislike condoms, i just don't agree with the false sense of security they provide.    " I got a condom so I can have sex" It provides teenagers with and excuse to okay themeselfs. Instead of going with their gut knowing it is wrong... they ignore it and say well i used a condom so no harm done.    Make sense?

Teens aren't robots. They can understand the concept of "just in case, here is some knowledge"...you didn't answer WHY you thought that suddenly HOW to use a condom should be off limits.

Again with the "it's up to the parents"...well, why are kids with loving caring parents the only ones who should get this potentially LIFE SAVING information? Why should the kids with jerks for parents be left out in the cold?

And what false sense of security condoms provide. I am for EDUCATION. And along with knowing how to put a condom ON and how to use it should come with the fact, that it's not 100% fail safe. YOU are the one with the misconception about sex education and condoms it seems.

I am FOR obnoxious amounts of sex education.
 
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March 3, 2008, 3:23 pm PST

03/03 Teens and Sex with Bishop T.D. Jakes

Quote From: emskjk

      After watching todays show,  I was concerned with the mother of the 14 year-old who is sexually active.  She says she thinks her daughter and the boyfriend are being mature about it.  The 14 year-old thinks she is old enough to make the decision to have sex.  But what happens when the birth control fails!   No form of birth control is 100% effective 100% of the time.  Is the boyfriend or the daughter physically, mentally, and emotionally ready to raise a baby?  They can't even get a decent job at that age.  The mother is going to  be the one raising another child.
I do agree with you here....14 is pretty young and she probably isn't prepared to raise a baby.

BUT I have to say that I know MARRIED COUPLES who shouldn't be having unprotected sex and they are NOT mature enough, mentally, financially, emotionally to raise a baby....
 
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March 3, 2008, 3:28 pm PST

03/03 Teens and Sex with Bishop T.D. Jakes

Quote From: sedelagarza

I think that sex education should be taught at home only, I dont think the schools should get involved. the school has no clue on the students religous beliefs and they are basically saying its okay to have sex and here we will give you what you need to be safe. and let me be walking and talking proof that the only way to stay safe is not having sex at all. proof #1 my stepson is a busted condom baby, my second son is a "pull out" baby and my last son is a birth controll baby. If my mother would have told me put me in line the way a God loving mother should have then I wouldnt have gotten pregnant at 19. I am married now but still there is no such thing as safe sex. and the schools should just but out. The school doesnt but in about drug use, school shootings, teen alcohol abuse anything but sex they care about? Thats bull.
So...the kids who don't have parents at home who give a damn get what.....the short end of the stick? And so does society.

I'm sorry, I don't care what "GOD" you believe in, the vagina, penis, ovaries and testicles STILL work the same way.

Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Atheists, Scientologists, Pagans....all have sex the same way.

You seem to be horridly mistaken as to what sex education is.

You also seem to not know that schools DO talk about drug use and school shootings.
 
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March 3, 2008, 3:29 pm PST

03/03 Teens and Sex with Bishop T.D. Jakes

Quote From: sedelagarza

but leting go of stress and exploring is all fine and good but do it with your HUSBAND. pleasure here on earth isnt worth an eternity in hell. what if you explore and oops oh now you have herpes or oops now youre pregnant and you dont know who the father of your child is because you were "exploring" you need education on sex. Im sorry. 
Hell? OMG....
 
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March 3, 2008, 3:33 pm PST

03/03 Teens and Sex with Bishop T.D. Jakes

Quote From: sedelagarza

I think that sex education should be taught at home only, I dont think the schools should get involved. the school has no clue on the students religous beliefs and they are basically saying its okay to have sex and here we will give you what you need to be safe. and let me be walking and talking proof that the only way to stay safe is not having sex at all. proof #1 my stepson is a busted condom baby, my second son is a "pull out" baby and my last son is a birth controll baby. If my mother would have told me put me in line the way a God loving mother should have then I wouldnt have gotten pregnant at 19. I am married now but still there is no such thing as safe sex. and the schools should just but out. The school doesnt but in about drug use, school shootings, teen alcohol abuse anything but sex they care about? Thats bull.
Sorry, this seriously made me laugh...

Do people of different religions have sex differently? LOL!!!!

"Sorry Mr. School Administrator, your sex education won't work on my son because he's Lutheran. We don't have sex the way Methodists do!"

WTF?! LOL!!!
 
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March 3, 2008, 3:38 pm PST

03/03 Teens and Sex with Bishop T.D. Jakes

Quote From: robby17

  I'm 15 and this is what I have to say.               I just saw the show and Dr. Phil could never be so wrong.  If a teen is going to have sex before they're married then there are issues from the start.  You shouldn't have sex befored you're married.  Having sex before you're married is telling your future spouse that you couldn't wait for them.  Studies also show that if you wait to have sex before you're married that your marriage will more than likely last or last longer.  You should give information to the kids in school but the school shouldn't be handing out condems without the parents knowing.  TD Jakes is right and so if Ed.  They should be afraid to have sex before they are married.  Have any of you realized that there are more STDs than there were back then. You know why? Because we are talking too much about sex or too little.  Really this shouldn't be a problem.  But it is.  America got what they deserved.  America was based on religion.  Then we turned rebellios on religion. A rebel equals a rebel.  One last thing.  The problem starts with the parents.  PARENTS BE TEACHING YOUR KIDS THE RIGHT WAY ABOUT LIFE/SEX NOT TO BE AGAINST IT.!!!!!!!!!!!  SO SAY WE ALL.

No, having sex before you are married means that a person has different values than you. That is all. Nothing more, nothing less.

It doesn't say anything to some "maybe" spouse. (You have no idea what the future holds.)

Can you provide these studies please?

And, you do know that just because you are married it doesn't mean sex is with out consequences...right? I have had sex before marriage and in marriage. The WORST consequence I suffered from having sex with with married sex. I got pregnant and got horridly ill, had my baby 2 months early, and suffered a botched c-section.

Marriage doesn't save you from negative impact from sex.

America is NOT based on any religion. You are misinformed.


 
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March 3, 2008, 3:44 pm PST

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Quote From: cleo726

I believe you have to start educating your children early and the schools might educate also. Most schools will send out a permission slip for parents' to sign.   I agree that if the schools teach sex education to the students they should talk about abstinence.  Lean towards abstinence, but the kids will do what they want, so have some condoms around.  If a child is brought up being self confident and to respect others, then they won't have to go looking for the things that they think they need which ends up being sex.  Parents be there for your kids, you brought them into this world so take time for them.  Always answer their questions with honest answers, in the long run they will respect you and just might do the right thing when confronted with a situation, no matter what it may be.  I think abstinence is best, but you have to be prepared.
Well, I do think adding in the idea that not having sex at all is almost 100% protection against certain things...(You can't prevent rape, but beyond that, yes.) But it should NEVER be taught alone, it's been proven that it does NOT work.

 
 
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March 3, 2008, 3:54 pm PST

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Quote From: sharee1

Teens need to be taught abstinece, but they also need to know why.  Just telling them that as teens they aren't "ready" for it is not enough.  Sexual intercourse is the highest expression of love between a man and a woman, so belongs within the bounds of a committed relationship--marriage.  It is through sex that we become closest to God by becoming co-creators (either literally or figuaratively) with God. Casual sex is selfish, denies the sacred nature of the act and makes us little better than rutting animals.  We need to teach our children morals, not just sex eduaction.

 

Sharee

Sexual intercourse isn't the highest expression of love in my marriage....speak for yourself please.

Also, my husband had a vasectomy...so we aren't creating ANYTHING but a good time when we have sex.

I have had casual sex in my life, it wasn't selfish. I don't find sex inherently sacred. I think that it is what you make of it.

Why should your religious values be taught in public schools? Why should YOUR morals be taught in public schools?
 
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March 3, 2008, 4:05 pm PST

03/03 Teens and Sex with Bishop T.D. Jakes

Quote From: ajlovesbikes

 In the Bible, it says that in the End Times, things will be like they were in Sodom and Gamora.  I am not surprised that parents are passively allowing this to happen.  Most parents are also not really around, they are working too much and not monitoring their children.  I had sex at age 17 and it was downhill from there.  I was not mature enough and I had no idea what I was doing. I only did it because all my friends had already lost their virginity.  I felt major pressure.  But after the first time it was easier and I wasn't that selective.  I just ran around to parties and had sex with whoever I was attracted to.  The funny thing is I never had an orgasm and there was no pleasure in it for me.  I was just doing it to fill a void.  I am sorry that my life took that turn.  I can now teach my kids the right way which is education but total abstanance to honor themselves and God.
As opposed to parents being ignorant that it is happening?

As opposed to parents threatening the DAUGHTERS lives if they ever end up pregnant.

Sorry, but "god fearing" people have as much premarital sex (if not more so!) as everyone else.

Some parents just accept it as reality rather than trying to stubbornly hang onto Victorian rubbish.
 

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