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March 13, 2008, 9:31 am PDT

we seem to feel alike.

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Hi... I've been married for 10 years and for most of it been unhappy. I never should've gotten married at all but I thought me and my husband got along well and could make it work. A lot of things happened between us early on, things I can't forgive or get past. Hubby has made me feel dirty and used... like all I was good for was getting him off. I no longer sleep with him in the same room or bed and I can't stomach the thought of ever having sex with him or any kind of affection at all. I have been a stay at home mom all this time and I'm completely dependent on him for money right now. I have two sons at home, no job, no family to go to close by. In the past I've tried to talk with my husband about how he made me feel. I've tried to make things better between us but he's always too busy with work or sleep to spend any time working on our relationship. I'm done trying. I don't love him. I don't care to work on our marriage any more. I just want out. What should I do? A couple of years ago I told my husband I thought we should get a divorce because I don't love him and I don't think he loves me. His response was that I just felt bad about myself. He thought if I could wait until I could work that I'd feel better about myself and then I wouldn't feel bad about our marriage. I told him he was wrong about that and the kids were the only reason I was still with him. I told him that once the kids were older and out of the house, I'd have no reason to stay any longer. My husband then said that he thought once the kids were older and out of the house, we'd have more time to spend together! He didn't take my feelings seriously obviously. And although he claimed he wanted us to work on things, nothing has changed. He works more hours than ever and when he's around, all he does is sleep. Not that it matters... I hate spending time around him. I'm ready to move on but I feel stuck. I have two kids and no job. How can I leave? I have nowhere to go. I feel like asking him to move out but I don't know if he'll leave. I'm so unhappy and frustrated that it's making me a terrible person to be around. I feel trapped here and I can't stand it. My kids deserve a mom that is happy and I'm not, not at all. Help please. If anyone has been in a similar situation and found a way out, I'd love to hear your advice. Or anyone's advice really. I don't know what to do. I know if I didn't have kids, I'd have left years ago.

 

Kim

Kim,

I have been married for almost 21yrs. the first 10 hubby was in the navy-and gone most of the time-so it was petty much me & 3 (that were not his) kids doing OUR thing. Mom ruled, mom was in charge, mom handled everything!

He cheated-drank alot--LIED alot, early on which are thngs I have never gotten over.

I may have if he still didn't LIE about everything-when he does tell the truth how would I ever know?

We live like brother and sister-we fight like them too.

I have always been-a man craps on me and he's out the door 24hrs later-why do I let this stuff go on?

My plan was to get a divorce as soon as the youngest graduated from high school-BUT I strangely got pregnant after 12yrs of no birth control..I thought well maybe this was a sign to make things better, HIS child would change him-was I so wrong!

Emotionally he has dragged me down as far as I think I can go right now. He calls me names, says his daughter isnt his, plays long dragged out emotional games, purposely picks fights or looks for something to fight about!

5 years ago I said things needed to change -he would be sweet for a month then back to his nasty mouthy self. There are times when I can't stomach the sight of him! even worse should he utter a word!

The past year-we had sex once, he sleeps on the couch, he comes & goes without a word, he refuses to do anything around the house-especially if I asked him to, YET in front of others he acts like the best hubby and dad on this earth!??

He is going thru some sort of crisis-one I cannot help with no longer!  I am sick of being HIS mom.

Just before X-mas he said he wanted a divorce-I said fine. I was actually relieved -finally--peace coming at last!  But financially its not no where in our budget. PLUS he wants me to do all the work --this way he can save face for his family & friends--he can look like the good guy as he has been looking.

 

anyway-I dont have family here, the house is in his dads name, I have a work comp injury that keeps me from working full time & sometimes part-time, we have many pets that are our babies, my daughter is very settled (9 now), the older kids think divorce has been a longtime coming and get it over with!

the 9yr old is highly upset over the word DIVORCE-she crys for hours on end just hearing it mentioned in conversation., even if we are not talking of us and someone else. This is all devasting her.

I feel horrible for that! 

 I think he should move-since he hates the pets, hates the house, hates to do anything with the yard or house! 

I guess how will I afford it all? Some from alimony, some from child support, and hopefully this workers comp thing will end!

Which is worse moving on or waking up miserable on daily basis?  There is a love there, not no where near like it began or should be,  maybe it's just a years of connection love?

The "what to do next "   is a scary place to be in..

I plan to seek a counselor for me and my comp injury. maybe things will seem better after I do..

lucky for me --he will be working out-of-town for the next month..I can wake up happy.

Overall--I would say PLAN, do the best you can in planning, make the kids feel they are so important and it's not their fault,  find some activity that you love to keep you occupied.

I believe the "sickness of trying to stomach hubby" is more out of anger. frustration, and  depression!

I bought an embroidery machine--it occupies my stress, make me feel better about something I accomplished ALONE, plus it's something my daughter and I can do together!

For now--find your  "embriodery machine"  ---it's a start!

 

 

 

 

 
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March 14, 2008, 6:03 am PDT

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wow!  I'm 46 and our stories sound so much alike.  I don't have a live in mom but I am a home health aide and take care of alzheimer patients.  My husband also said the reason I was not happy was because I am going thru memopause.  I also suffer with depression.  I am now at a place where I can see things from a different view.  Its like looking in a window and watching my life unfold before me.  I can see all that has happened in the past and why it happened the way it did.  I watch Dr. Phill every day (I have TEVO)  and listened to him talk about getting real about the marriage and "You can't change what you don't acknowledge"   I wasn't quite sure what all that meant but I finally bought his book "Relationship Rescue" and it has made such a change in my attitude about life and marriage.  I feel stronger and able to handle the problems and realize that it wasn't just me, he had a part in the problems too.  We can't change our partners, if they are not there for us in our time of need then we need to change our out look of the situation and change what we can.  Have you ever seen the saying "God, please help me to change what I can, accept what I can't and help me to see the difference"  I don't think I quoted it right but it went something like that.  We I can see now what I can change and I have accepted what I can't change.  I am in the process of giving my husband one last chance.  He is reading the book and if he wants to change then things will work out but what I think will happen is he will say that there is nothing wrong with him and I am just going to have to accept it.  At which time I will serve him papers. 

Jack Daniels will not help you to be there for your mother.  You have a lot on you plate and you can't go back now and change your decisions.  I mean about your mom.  I too told my mom that I would take care of her in her time of need.  But there will come a time when you can't do it alone.  If your husband is not there with you and for your support then its best you change it.  It will be hard on your own but at least you don't have to care for him and have him giving you a quilt trip every time that you are not paying attention to him.  I don't know if you are receiving help now and I don't know how your state is about home health care but in Ohio we have the worst state help for home care.  Even though mom is living with you there is still help out there that can lighten you load alittle and you don't have to feel quilty about it because you are giving your mom better care because you are taking care of yourself also.

Your husband is not telling you the truth about being upset that your mom is there.  If that was the case he would support you.  Some men and mine is this way also feel its there right to have a woman care for them and when something gets in the way their ego gets hurt.  I'm not wise beyond my years I just read all this stuff in Dr. Phil's book and maybe if you have the time you could read it also.  If not I can send you some of the advise that he says in the book in this message board.  Think about it.  It does help.

My hubby does # 1-4--mostly I believe they do it out of attention!  He may wanted you to bring your mom in-but afterwards feels it wasnt the right thing. I took in my abused nephew-while it was the right thing at the time--he agreed--I got alot of slack for the attention a 6yr old recieved! 

Most men have huge egos!  they fell the need to have MOMMY care for them daily and when they are NOT really sick.

Everyone believes my hubby is a saint-he is so helpful to others ! If they only knew him as I do!

Its time to take a stand--I never cry in front of him--he will not get the pleasure of knowing my hurt inside to boost his ego!  When I feel the need to bawl--I take a ride to the local cemetary-I dont know a soul there--but it helps heel some of those I miss dearly.

I hardly drink too-sometimes I have thought a good drunk might help--but then reality sinks in--and I have a 9yr old--what if something happened and I was out of my mind??? Plus I have a sister who thinks the bottle is her savior..I prefer not to go that direction-I think better of myself!

thats what you need to do!  taking care of your mom is something to be proud of, dont let anyone make you believe otherwise! Keep repeating that daily!

Then add other good things into your day! Use the word "proud" about yourself over and over untill you believe it!

Search locally for help beyond your inner circle- for an hour or two break from taking care of mom--I am sure you will find others just like you needing an hr or so. There are groups or just elder programs!

As for trying to change someone that is overly critcial, constantly lyiing, emotionally draining, and all around agitator ----WE cannot change them!  THEY need the Dr.Phil & a huge following of doctors afterwards for no less than a year-to become somewhat  HUMANE! 

If you see him heading back to his normal BS after he reads the book--be proud that YOU tried for a few more months--then rid yourself of such daily ugliness! 

Thats my plan-You are no goood to yourself or your mom if you let it continue.

I look at it as half my life is over-I am 46-I will NOT let the next half continue unhappy, miserable, and hoping to just die!  Play Tim mcgraws song-my next 50yrs!

My new daily song is Dolly Partons  "better get to livin"...

 
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March 17, 2008, 6:29 am PDT

mentally abusive?

Why are men mentally/emotionally abusive? Reading this site-I thought I knew 2 of them--only to find it's a huge problem in todays society.

 Is it a bully thing?

Is it a to be a guy thing? 

Is it a guilt trip thing?   

How do we change todays boys into tomorrows men?

 
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March 17, 2008, 6:49 am PDT

bad idea

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I need help. My wife and I are most likely getting a divorce. I dont want to get into many details, except I have done a few things to her that hurt her emotionally and made her not feel safe with me. That caused her to feel safe with someone else and I cought her cheating on me. So it has been a horrendous roller coaster. When it comes down to us divorcing she cant see herself being a part time parent (she is a homemaker). I can understand that. I can also see me not wanting to be alone either. We have been married over 12 years. What I need help on is what is everyones thoughts on this: She wants to live in the house when we divorce so she can be with the children, so she can be a full time parent. She will get a job, pay for bills and live in the basement. We discussed it a month ago and thought it was great but after thinking about it I dont think its a good idea. I am not going to tell you guys my reasons why cause I want to influence anyone. So please tell me your thoughts!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Mike

I would never live with my ex downstairs. Maybe it would work for the likes of demi moore and bruce willis-but not for the norm.

If you've grown apart and have angery times now--you will have more angry times ahead!

Divorcing after 12 yrs is hard, 20 for me, but  if you wake up miserable now-you will wake up miserable then!

You sound as if you still have feelings and want to work things out-if this is true, having her live downstairs bringing IN her companion to flaunt in your face-or you simply knowing there are 2 naked bodies right below you --will drive you over the edge!  for the safety of your sanity and your childrens happiness this idea needs to completely leave your mind!

no one likes to be a part-time parent but sometimes is it so much better -the adults will grow & learn to adjust- and so will the kids!

I bet Dr.Phil would agree!!

 
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March 17, 2008, 7:20 am PDT

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I am anxious to read your reponses. I am in a similar situation. I've been married for over 13 years and have three children.  When I started to date the woman I married, it was after breaking up with a wonderful girl that I was dating. I was ticked and she was a rebound. It was for fun.  She (we) got pregnant and I married out of responsibility. I was not a young kid so I felt I must step up. But there has never been any true "in love" emotions. Mostly just like room mates co-existing to care for the kids. Poor communication. We don't really argue or fight in front of the kids, but they certainly don't see a loving partnership. The kind that I wish for them someday to have.  It is hard to lay your head on the pillow almost every night and regret your situation (not the wonderful kids) and wonder "what if"...

 

I've tried talking to her so many times. Taking her to counseling three times, and she just does not want to try. When I have mentioned divorce, she just says that I will never leave the kids... I need her to keep the house...   I wonder how much longer I should give this.  How old is "old enough" for the children to be able to rationalize and deal with a divorce?

 

Recently, after realizing that I was seriously attracted to someone else and ready to pack my bags, she is suddenly motivated to try and make things better. That 'other' woman has left my life.

 

I believe it is too late. It was never really there in the first place. 

I was thinking that when I'm at the end of my life, I would truly regret not sharing it with a true, loving partner.  But I so worry about the kids.  I would give my life for them, so maybe sacrificing my desire for a relationship is a small price to pay.  What to do, what to do...

 

 

 

My 9 yr old cries everytime she hears the word divorce. But lately, I have had gentle conversation about mom & dad need to be happy, how some things wont change, how she can take stuff to dads and at times dad can come and tuck in her into bed, mostly that it wont be as horrible as she believes it to be.

 

the other day-she gave me a funny look when she heard conversation between me and her 21 yr old sis-but she stated " I know it will be ok-but can you not get married to someone else!"  I said that right now "someone else doesnt exist and I am not planning on marrying anyone for a long long time"

she smiled..so talking is getting better and she understands more-its not a crying fest as it was a week ago.

 

Dr phil says not to argue with kids around-sometimes it is true-YET there are times when the "fake relationships" make it harder for a child to understand. We go places and do things with her as if all is good when its really not. She knows "something" is not right since she asks why does dad sleep on the couch? why does dad not kiss you goodbye anymore? why do you and dad never say i love you anymore? why do you not hold hands anymore?

adults simply cannot cover up --children sense things.

 

I think it's best to explain to them as honestly as possible-using volcabulary as per  their  age.

 

 
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March 17, 2008, 7:34 am PDT

jodi jodi jodi

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Jodi

the book is not only to help you in your marriage it will help you to realize that the problems in this marriage is not only your fault but his as well.   It also talks about personalities and problem solving.  Even if your husband doesn't read it you get a better understanding about your inner core.  Who you are and why you react to life the way you do.  It gets you out of the "What is wrong with me that I can't make this marriage work" or "What do I have to do to make it work".  There is 2 people in a marriage and its takes 2 to save it.  If the other partner is not willing to "get real" about what is going on it gives you the insight to make the decision to move on.

Unfortunatlly,  I'm at that place right now.  I went to see a lawyer on Friday.  I'm getting my paper work together to file.  My husband has a personality what Dr. Phil calls "Smoke and Mirrors".  He says he will do anything to stay in the marriage.  Yet he does nothing.  He goes to the counselors but will not talk.  He says to me I'll help around the house more and then only does it for 1 or 2 days.  I gave him the book and he said "I'll read it for you".  But he will not do the excersises and write into his journal.  You can't get real if you don't do the work.  He says that he has been faithful in the marriage but yet I suppect things and have confronted him about it and he says "I'll never break our vouls"  yet I have things that just don't add up and the lawyer and counselor said sounds like he has been unfaithful.  The lawyer said we can ask him under oath but I'm not sure I want to know now.  It will not change my mind.  I'm still leaving.  I was so down on myself because I was so unhappy I just couldn't understand why it was not working.  Now I know.  I was unhappy because he was not following thru with any of his promises and I was left with nothing.  A feeling that I was not good enough for him because I couldn't make him love me more.  Make him want to be with me and talk to me.  I'm not a rambler when it comes to talk but he was never listening to me when I was talking.  I told the counselor that I felt like I had 4 children instead of 3 and a husband. 

He did something over this weekend that made the whole family mad.  Worse then that my oldest and I could get into some hot water because of his lying on government documents.  He just blew it off like oh well!  No big deal.  Now I have to take care of that and again clean up his mess.  I'm just sick and tired of his attitude.  His lack of concern for his family.

Anyways, just give it a try.  Try to get it at the library so if you really don't want to read, you are not out of money.  But it you just try it will really help.

Shame on you for not being proud of getting good grades, doing a fantastic job with mom, and simply doing your best!!!!!!!!

You have succummed to your hubby's goal---drag you down to his level..

Are you better than he is? YES YOU ARE! 

 

did you look into if his income wasnt added into the household mix-you may qualify for medical and extra aid for your mom?  do your homework before leaping---yet leap to a counselor or support group-

HE left he marriage a long time ago-you CANNOT FIX HIM!  you can however, get help for yourself to raise your self-esteem, once you see things more clearly instead of under HIS spell--you will find smiles pouring out of your heart!

 

 

 
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March 17, 2008, 6:18 pm PDT

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There are times that we get upset and there are times we dont. No one would be allowed at the house, it would be the kids sanctuary. So if you base everything off of the house is holy ground for the kids, no dates are alowed to pick us up at the house. What do you think now? I wish I could talk to Dr Phil, I really NEED help. I am so upset, scared, emotionaly drained, loosing a ton of weight, I just dont know what to do and either does her. We still love eachother but cant get over what happened, she is not willing to give up her privacy that got her where she is now!

sorry Mike ,  I still think NO WAY it will work. mainly because you just said it-"there are times that we get upset"

my first son is not my hubbys-just visitation rights aggravated him-even though he knew the dad was involved from the start. To this day, 20yr later-hubby still thinks somethings afling when I speak to EX about Xmas or birthday gifts!

We tried the split house-for money reasons-a few yrs back--it was a total flop. We agreed on nights out, once in 3 months I went with my sis-in-law out to dinner for her bday, he purposely turned out all lights so i couldnt see, then deadbolted the  house knowing there is no key, then ignored my knocks -as he laid on the couch laughing as if it was a huge joke -since I could see him from the french doors! One of the kids finally woke up and unlocked the door 30 minutes later! It was 1130pm. I left at 730pm

 

thinking the house will be holy ground is foolish my friend. It will only open more doors/or lock them to anger and childish games..and havent you had enough of that? I know I have.

 

I think you are like us,   we love each other because we have spent so many years together. But is it a healthy love, one that you and the kids enjoy? its not at my house.

I think you have to write down the pros and cons to the relationship. you have to dig deep and answer questions truthfully. 

 you need to leave the kids out of it--for they will be happy if you both are happy, and that is with or without each other.

I don't think your situation has evolved overnight-so in reality have you not been upset, scared, and emtionally drained for awhile now? 

marriage has 2 sides-love is 2 people --NOT ONE trying it all alone.

you, like me, can give what you think is 100% everyday--but if its not accepted, returned , or taken seriously then why are we still giving?

sounds like we are punishing ourselves for a spouse that we cannot force to change, force to think like we do, force to love as we do, or force to stay where they arent happy.

 

 

 

 
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April 18, 2008, 6:51 am PDT

sonja and her will

I think sonja purposely told the daughters about her will to aggravate the situation more. She knew this would raise cane.  She is a horrible mom, pushy, and wants to have it all her way or No way! Even worse she is determined to seperate the sisters. If I were Sara I would HATE to live with sonja! I would also tell her when she dies I will give half to my sister!!!  money does destroy families especially when it comes to wills, but sonja is making sure that is destroys the family BEFORE she dies.

Sonja's hubby also seems like a coward --unable to stand up for what he truely knows it right.

The fence issue was a blatent childish farce and if I were Lisa I would have had it removed immediately!!!

Sonja HAS NO LOVE for anyone in her family!! She tries to pretend what she gives SARA is love but its NOT love, its minipulative, mentally abusive,  total hatred , and overly aggressive  behavior/actions she is showing!!! She is EVIL..I would be ashamed if I knew her personally. EVIL EVIL EVIL...

 
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April 18, 2008, 6:54 am PDT

sonja is EVIL

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Your right the mother was shown to be a very angery and nasty,  but  Lisa was no Daughter of the  year either. They look more like act like  two neighbors who hate eachother, then mother and daughter.

 

You have fences going up, tp-ing and cake batter being thrown , signs of being shot, camrasbeing put up, the police being called, nasty name being yelled, its like the Hatfields and McCoys fighting over land.  and nobody speaking of love, just things.

 

They are 40 and 60 something, dragging both of their families into their petty fight, know they are asking Dr. Phil to point out who is right, which in my opinion the Doc. will not do, he will point out both of their responibilities in it, will they see their part in it, I guess we will have to wait until the next show.

I think Lisa is just trying to fight her way back. Lisa is always PUT on the defensive do to sonja's words or actions. Daily life must be horrible for Lisa and Sara. Mom needs to go away--to a mental hospital.
 

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