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April 15, 2008, 10:02 pm PDT

Sonja, Narcisstic personality disorder

 Sonja has ruined this family.  She loves no one, other than herself.  Her younger daughter is her pet, for now, because she's still so young, so naive, and polishes her mother's image by agreeing with her.  I feel sorry for Sara.  Her mother is totally toxic, totally self centered, and poor Sara doesn't see it at all.  Someday, she will.  Her mother is vicious. Lisa should stop caring and RUN, DO NOT WALK, out of that nutcase mother's life. 
Lisa, cut her loose, she will never love you.  She's not capable of it.  A BIG clue was when she didn't welcome your visit when your sister was born.  Totally loony behavior. 

RUN LISA RUN!
 
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April 15, 2008, 10:15 pm PDT

Who was talking about the Will?

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  • The fact that I have children, means nothing with regards to how I feel about what I viewed on this show, from a parent and a daughter stand point. Personally, I would never favor one child, over another and I think it is despicable that Sonja does! I also wouldn't ever treat my children in the manner that Sonja did Lisa or vise versa for that matter!! My point with my kids is that if my child ever dwelled on what they gain from my death, I would be upset too.
  • Sonja was far from perfect, but having a daughter that thinks it's ok to constantly talk about the mom's will, as if her mom's death can't come quick enough, is disgusting and wrong! It doesn't matter the circumstances,,, it's wrong!!!!! There are many other things she COULD be focusing on rather than the will!
  •  IT IS SICK,, that Lisa dwells on the will, the will,,,, THE WILL!!! What kind of a person does that? That was her main focus! Even Lisa's daughter went on about the will! IF the focus is not the will and since they do obviously have SO many other problems, Lisa should have focused on those,,, at least those things wouldn't be about her gaining from her mother's death!!!!
  •  What Sonja did with regards to the little sisters birth, was WRONG and I don't understand it! I never said it was right!! That alone causes problems that last a lifetime between siblings and there is no excuse for it. But Lisa came off like a jealous child, blaming the little sister. Sonja pitted those girls against each other and I pray that they can see around that and move on.
  •  Sonja IS at fault and so IS Lisa,, but someone needs to be the bigger person and start getting back on the right path! I personally just feel like Lisa shouldn't concern herself with what she wants to gain from her mom's death! Nothing good can come from that.  
 I only heard Sonja talk about the will, over and over and over. 

This whole thing has nothing to do with money or a will.  It's about what Dr.Phil said, Sonja uses the will to show who she loves and who she doesn't love.  It's never about the money.  It's always "see, this PROVES mom loved me best".   I would imagine that Lisa is desperate for some sign, any sign, that her mother EVER loved her since it seems pretty clear that she didn't.  It's not about the money, it's about the love, or lack thereof. 

Sonja gave her teenage grandchildren Christmas ornaments for Christmas and then got all hurt that they weren't thrilled with her gift?  What teen wants Christmas ornaments?   Did it occur to her to give them something that THEY wanted, not something SHE wanted to give them?  She is so totally self focused that she can't begin to think of what someone else may want.  She was horrible to that Granddaughter.  Poor girl deserves a better grandmother, one who thinks of the child, rather than only herself. 

Sonja is a horrible mother, both of her daughters deserve better.  I hope they can both leave her before they end up bitter old women like she is.  She doesn't deserve to have children, or grandchildren because she can't think of anyone but herself. 
 
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April 15, 2008, 10:17 pm PDT

04/14 The Dr. Phil House: House of Greed

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You have it wrong, Lisa own half of the land already no will needed, so are you saying that Lisa should get half of the other 4 acres that Sonja owns?  if so then that means that Sonja would be entitled to half of what Lisa owns, if Lisa dies first.

 

where in the show did you hear Lisa say anything about love, just the will

 Where would Lisa have learned anything about love?  Certainly not from her mother. 
 
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April 15, 2008, 10:24 pm PDT

Narcissist personality disorder

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Well espically to the last part about edcuating the public. I'm not sure if Dr. Phil understands that he is dealing with a person who has a personality disorder. Men of this type tend to be narcissists and women borderlines. She was the most evil one I have seen! Dr. Phil has a terrific staff and somebody picked up on that, they had too. He either knows better than to call a boderline and boderline and sticks to things that will get her attention i.e. you will die lonely which appeals to their tremendous fear of abandonment or is completely clueless to the fact that he is not dealing with a normal person cabable of reasoning in a normal manner.

 

Any type of enlightenment on this subject would be emensely helpful. Most people dealing with people who are sick like Sonya just keep trying hoping and believing that the person is normal. They leave tremendous scars on those around them and most people are clueless. This isn't a pancake! it doesn't have two sides its like dealing with a drug addict or worse. PLEASE DO A SHOW THAT DISCUSSES NARCISSISTS/BODERLINES a panel promo a book or something!!!!! These people are monsters... real life monsters. I swear that whomever invented the idea of a vampire did it because they were involved with one of these people. It is more important than dealing with drunk teenagers or overweight moms and if it doesn't fit inthe scope of Dr. Phil then maybe Oprah should do it. It's been around for a long time but nobody has really sat down and edcuated the public.

 

Familys and innocent people are destroyed by these people and telling family memebers that it's there fault or implying that they are somehow wrong, espically to person raised by one of those people is nothing short of ABUSE!  Lisa is not to blame for anything she needs help to understand her mother and set boundaries and so does Sara! She does need to hear Dr. Phil say it isn't her fault because it isn't. She trusts that he is helping her and he is not he is contributing to the abuse. 

 

 

 Sonja could be the poster child for NPD.  I do hope that Dr. Phil will do a show on this order, particularly how it impacts children. 
 
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April 15, 2008, 11:36 pm PDT

Sonja? Is that you?

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Lisa has another house she can live in far far away from her mother. 
 I sure hope that Lisa will realize that her narcissitic/borderline mother will never be able to give her the love that Lisa is still trying to get.  Lisa needs to cut her losses, give up on her horrible mother, and move on to that other house, asap. 
 
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April 15, 2008, 11:50 pm PDT

Borderline personality disorder, not bipolar

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I highly doubt that by watching a 1 hour show could tell you everything you need to know to be able to diagnose someone. Do you even know what bi-polar disorder is? Im a psychology major and Im sorry, this show dint answer enough questions or show enough detail to diagnose anyone.
 Yes, watching a show for an hour makes it VERY clear that Sonja is either borderline personality disorder or narcisstic personality disorder.  Neither has anything to do with bi polar disorder.  They are personality disorders, not mood disorders.  Sonja could be the poster child for BPD.  EVERYTHING was about her and how she's been hurt.  She couldn't begin to feel anything for anyone, not even her own daughter.  <shudders>  She should never have been a parent. 
 
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April 16, 2008, 12:40 am PDT

04/14 The Dr. Phil House: House of Greed

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I have a mother just like Sonja.  As an adult I finally had to come to the realization that my mother just does not and will never love me as I feel a mother should love a child.  After a lot of tears and years of my own mother's style of abuse I am happy to say that I no longer have any contact with her.  I no longer have to receive her hatefulness because I have made a conscience decisiong to be free of her.  It litterally is freeing...Lisa just needs to make a clean break and live and love her own family.  The only thing that I regret about not doing it sooner is that I missed wonderful things that my own children were doing because I was so hurt by things my own mother would do.  Rid yourself of that woman, and work every day to live and fully love your own family in the moment.  Lisa...You can be a better person without that costic woman in your life.  Even as I write this, and I think about the similiarities between Sonja and my own mother it makes me sick for Lisa.  I feel badly for her because I know how badly it hurts, but once you can free yourself of Sonja you will feel so much better. 

 

I realize that Dr. Phil is a relationship healer, but some relationships aren't worth it, and sometimes it's hard when the relationship that does not need to be fixed, repaired or healed is the one between a mother and a child.  Sonja will end up doing everything she has already done again!!!!

 

 

 Well said!  Lisa need to get away and focus on her own family.  She will soon find how completely liberating it will be for her. 
 
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April 16, 2008, 12:50 pm PDT

getrealtime and the ornaments

 I can't find the post now but GetRealTime (aka Sonja) said that Sonja gave the ornaments so that her grandkids would remember HER.  Once again, as always, IT'S ALL ABOUT SONJA.  The poster child for narcissism, Sonja!  A disgusting example of a human being.

Sonja, you need help.  I know that you won't get it since borderlines/narcissists always think that everyone else in the world is at fault.  But as our dear Doctor would say "How's that workin' for ya'?  Does being right trump EVERYTHING in your little, angry, world?  If so, carry on in your misery.
 
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April 16, 2008, 12:57 pm PDT

Pity party for Sonja?

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If where going to assume what could of happen, well maybe she out of the will because she called the police on her mother, and all the other things said on the show that Lisa did, got her thrown out of the will. it works both ways. we could assume that Lisa has been a troubled person all her life and caused nothing but grief to her mother, that would explain alot. Maybe thats why she didn't want her at hospital? she didn't want trouble on such a good day.

 

Assuming works both way, either is right, until proven,

and if Sonja turned Lisa that way? then who turned Sonja that way, and shouldn't you give her as much understanding? Damaged is damaged, one is 40 something and one is 60 something, whats the difference? I hold them to the same standing, both are = in their bad action, and both should be held accountable for them....................... 

 Are you saying that the child, in this case, Lisa, is just as reponsible for how she was raised, how she learned to behave, as her mother?  She was troubled her whole life?  Ummmm............how did that happen?  Perhaps by having a mother who never loved her?  So mommie dearest Sonja also deserves a pity party? 

Nope.  Sorry.  No can do.  Sonja was the mother who never loved her child.  To what ever degree Lisa is messed up, that can be laid at the feet of her Mommie Dearest, the witch who didn't even want her to visit the hospital when Lisa's sister was born.  Who the hell waits of invitation to visit a new baby and mother in the hospital?  Like most people, I had at least 10 family members and numerous friends arrive at the hospital when my son was born.  NONE of the received invitations from me!  They just showed up to see the baby, bring flowers, and share in our happiness.  You know, like the rest of the world does it when a precious new being has come into this world.
 
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April 16, 2008, 2:28 pm PDT

Getrealtime

Is there any particular reason why your posts are always in red?  Granted, it makes them stand out and easy to find, but it also seems a tad attention getting, one might even say narcissitic..................lol
 

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