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April 26, 2008, 8:04 pm PDT

Nurses?

 Why are hoarders so often nurses?  There must be an explanation, but I don't know what it is. 

For people who grew up in these awful circumstances, there are some good websites:
http://www.childrenofhoarders.com/forum/index.php

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/childrenofhoarders/


I hope all of you, children of hoarders, know it is NOT your fault, you did NOT cause it and you can NOT fix it. 

 
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April 27, 2008, 7:46 pm PDT

Cleaning out the neighbor's house?

Quote From: ohmygosh1

I can't believe how many people have jumped into a "crucify the neighbors" type attitude. There is some kind of underlying problem that would cause this behavior. Yes, they do need help. Help with whatever emotional problems that lead to this behavior. Yes, this is a disgusting situation, but before you cast the first stone, think about what may be happening inside their lives, then concentrate on cleaning the house and finding help for them.
 Are you saying that we should not judge them, but just clean out their house for them?  I don't think that's the answer. 

What kind of help should we get them?  They don't want help, they don't want their house or yard cleaned out.  They don't want counseling either because they don't want to change.  They don't want to give up their buying, collecting, their 'treasures'. 

How do we force people to get help who don't want help?  How do we protect the neighbors houses if the hoarder's house catches fire?  How do we protect the hoarder's trashed house and yard from ruining the property values of everyone else around them?  Yes, they need help, but they don't want help.  They don't want the problem solved.  Is that fair to everyone who has to live around them?  Is it fair to their adult children, who worry about their safety and health?  Is it fair to the animals they keep inside?  Is their desire to hoard more important than the neighbors need to live without fear of a fire beginning in hoarder's house and spreading to their home?  Is it fair that a hoarder's house and yard can lower property values, and prevent house sales, on their street? 

People have every right to be as crazy as they want to be and to refuse to accept counseling, UNTIL they infringe on MY rights to live in safety and to sell my house.  Their right to be crazy is not more important than their children's rights to safe, or the rights of my family to be safe.  Their right to be crazy cannot be allowed to effect others.
 
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April 27, 2008, 7:48 pm PDT

04/28 A Secret Inside: Extreme Hoarding

Quote From: BrianX29

     I really don't understand what it is that causes this Hoarding problem. A couple times a year I like to get rid of old stuff. I think Dr. Phil can do this woman/family a big favor. Pull up a trash truck with 10 or 20 volunteers to help clean that house out.
 Unfortunately, that is a very short term solution.  Within a few months, the hoard will have returned.  Unless the hoarder agrees to therapy, the underlying problem won't go away. 
 
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April 27, 2008, 7:49 pm PDT

04/28 A Secret Inside: Extreme Hoarding

Quote From: msbrill2

I know someone in my condo building who is a pack rat. He can't even stay in his own place because it is a sea of papers. He also has two cars filled with the same.

He picks out of garbage cans, and even though he lives in a good condo, he lives like he is homeless. It's disgusting. He has some certifiable problems.

To think my parents hired this guy to tutor my sister on her academics!
 Being a hoarder has nothing to do with being good at academics.  From what I have read, most hoarders have well above average intelligence.  So your parents may have hired an excellent tutor who was also a hoarder. 
 
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April 27, 2008, 7:56 pm PDT

04/28 A Secret Inside: Extreme Hoarding

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     The first year it was a county service.  Now, she gets a bill.  She refused to pay it, so the city turned off her water.   She changed her mind and pays the bill. 

   

     Do you remember Jeff Foxworthy's joke "You might be a Redneck if . . .?"  Well, the first year  the fire department cleaned up her yard, they found a whole pickup that she had reported stolen.  No, I am not kidding.  It was that bad!  She was surprised to finally find that pickup. 

    In our county, you can keep one car without tags on your property.  That pickup is now underneath a tree on the front yard.  The car actually runs.  It is a neighborhood giggle.  It got so loaded with trash that she couldn't get in and drive anymore.  So, she gathered up bags of garbage from the inside.  I don't mean one or two, I mean bags and bags

     The odd thing was, she wouldn't put it on the curb for the garbage men to pick up.  No, she put the bags on the driveway with her other junk. 

     

 Sheeze.  My hoarder neighbor does the same thing.  Her driveway is filled with trashcans that she uses to pack her 'treasures' in.  No trashcan is ever take to the curb for trash pickup.   Thank Goodness our town has some rules and she can't keep dead cars on her lawn.  County Code doesn't allow more than 100 sq feet of junk on the lawn or driveway. 

Hoarders don't seem to EVER throw away anything.  Trash collectors never have to stop at their house! 

My hoarder neighbor has now totally packed the inside of her car, and the trunk, except for a small space for her to squeeze in to drive the car.  The trunk has too much junk in it to shut the lid, so she has ropes over all the junk in the trunk.  She's a modern day Ma Joad. 
 
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April 28, 2008, 1:39 pm PDT

Great Question

Quote From: grandadjay

You are a hoarder.  You know it and you consciously hide the fact by keeping people, acquaintences, police, repairmen, etc from inside your house.   You know it is wrong and you know it is detrimental to your children.  However, when threatened by any authority, you can be motivated to clean up.

 

Is it a sickness or is it a conscious choice to place blame on everyone else and turn yourself into a victim?  If you can clean up under threat of consequences, why can't you clean up for the sake of your children?

 

 

 The only answer that I can think of is that they care more about their junk than they care about their children.  They seem like very self centered people, narcisscistic. 
 
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April 28, 2008, 1:41 pm PDT

Selfish mother

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In all of this, the mother is only thinking of herself - it's all about her, and what she feels and what people think of her. I hope Dr. Phil has a better place for the kids than this nightmare.
 I agree, she's selfish and self centered.  But few kids want to leave their homes and go live with strangers.  I bet CPS is now involved and given them a deadline to clean up the mess.  Those poor kids must be so scared of being taken away to live with strangers.  But maybe there is a relative they could live with until their parents get it together. 
 
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April 28, 2008, 9:49 pm PDT

04/28 A Secret Inside: Extreme Hoarding

Quote From: ohmygosh1

OK...SO YOUR PROPERTY VALUE MEANS MORE TO YOU THAN THESE PEOPLE? RIGHT? AND I GUESS YOU BELIEVE THAT SOMEONE WILL JUST ALL OF A SUDDEN JUMP AND SAY "YES" I NEED HELP...AND GO RUNNING TO THE NEAREST DOCTOR FOR HELP? IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. LET SOMEONE COME INTO YOUR HOME AND START TAKING THINGS AWAY FROM YOU THAT YOU THINK ARE PRECIOUS...WHETHER THEY ARE OR NOT...MIGHT YOU GET UPSET? NO...EVERYTHING YOU HAVE IS WORTH SOMETHING...THEIR'S ISN'T. THEY HAVE A PROBLEM! THEY NEED HELP...AND UNTIL YOU REALIZE THAT...THERE'S NO HOPE FOR YOUR ATTITUDE. HEAVEN FORBID IF SOMEONE DEVALUES YOUR PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY'RE ILL.
 Huh?  How you propose that we force them to get help? 

No one is devaluing anyone's property, except the hoarders who obviously don't care about their neighbors, their pets, their kids, or anyone but themselves.

Yes, I know that you, I mean, they, need help.  How would you propose that we make you get that help? 
 
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April 28, 2008, 9:53 pm PDT

Why are you screaming at everyone?

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PEOPLE LIKE THIS AND OTHER DISORDERS DON'T REALIZE THEY HAVE A PROBLEM...THEREFORE THEY DON'T THINK THEY NEED HELP. THEY'LL SAY ANYTHING, EVEN ARGUE WITH SOMEONE, TO NOT BE BOTHERED BY PEOPLE. IF THEY GET HELP AND CONTINUE STAY WITH IT, IT WILL WORK OUT...BUT THEY HAVE TO BE WILLING AND WANTING HELP. ANY CHILD LIVING IN CONDITIONS LIKE THIS IS TERRIBLE...AND I'M BEING KIND HERE. INTERVENTION IS NEEDED IN THESE CASES, BUT I'M NOT THE ONE THAT DECIDES WHAT KIND OF INTERVENTION. SOMETIMES, TEARING A FAMILY APART CAN DO HARM...REBUILDING THE FAMILY UNIT IS BETTER. BUT AGAIN, THIS TAKES THE PROPER HELP DIAGNOSED FOR THE PROBLEM.
 It's very annoying.  It's also difficult to read. 

I am sure that everyone would appreciate it if you would please turm off your caps lock and stop screaming at us. 

Thank you.
 
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April 28, 2008, 10:02 pm PDT

Please see a counselor

Quote From: oletrucker764

None of you get this. It's NOT awful. I know more people than you realize who live like this. Do they like it? NO! But, many times, no help for it. Not one of you mentioned priorities. If you only have 16-18 hrs a day to complete all you have to do, you have to prioritize. Do I do my dishes today, or water my lawn? No time to do both. Typing this treatise is taking away the time I should be using to feed my invalid husband, who by the way, is sleeping in a hospital bed in the middle of my living room. The furniture it pushed out is on the back porch in the weather and in my office, which has reduced me to the "clear path rule". All 3 bedrooms are maxed out, and the mail has piled up for months. Blame I.D. theft for that. You can't throw away junk mail any more unless you open it first to remove the shreddable stuff.  I had to buy a second shredder. I confess to being a product of the depression, when you HAD to save everything, so plastic silverware and cups get washed and reused.  I totally sympathize with the guest, inasmuch as I too, can't bear to throw away plastic containers. Solved that by not buying anything that isn't cardboard. (Cardboard  and styrofoam I can pitch.) When Dr. Phil told her he had a truck pulled up to her house, I was the one who almost had the heart attack.  My kids have threatened that...so, I won't go out of town, in case they follow up on their threats. Now, as I said in the beginning, I'm not alone. I apologized to a service person recently about the condition of my house, and he replied that mine was nothing compared to some he'd seen. One of these days, when I no longer have to work to eat, I can retire and spend time cleaning my house. In the meantime, I guess it will continue to be low on the priority list. By the way, I also drink and drive.

 

 

 

 You obviously need some help.  Retirement will only make it worse, not better.  You need to get some help so that you can learn to throw things away.  Most people don't shred anything, they just tear it up and throw it away and 99.9999% of those people do not have their identity stolen. 
If you grew up during the depression, the 1930's, then you are approaching 70, if not older.  Hoarding gets worse as we age, not better.  Please, get some help before you lose your home.  The county  official on the show talked about how they can condemn houses.  Get some help before this happens to you and your husband. 

I wish you the best.  You can change, if you want to, with help.  As Dr.Phil said, this is an emotional problem.  You need a counselor to help you to sort through the emotions.  Once those are sorted, you can begin to sort through your house and let go. 
 

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