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April 22, 2008, 7:37 pm PDT

04/22 Secrets inside the Compound

To those ppl comparing the Amish to the FLDS, i say this: how many Amish have you heard about trying to flee where they live?  I say this because there have been women from the FLDS who have risked their lives and their children's lives to escape.  Why would they do that if nothing abusive was happening?

Also, the Amish are not secretive. As far as i know, if one wants to learn about them by visiting they would be welcomed and shown around. THe FLDS do not talk to anyone.
 
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April 22, 2008, 7:39 pm PDT

04/22 Secrets inside the Compound

Quote From: dancewithjen

Please, Please, Please....Everyone remember that the people involved in this horrific community are not LDS or Mormon so please don't label them as such. The leaders of this grop felt the need to break away from the teachings of the Mormon faith over 100 years ago. They have become corrupted over the years as is evidenced with the things going on there. There is nothing at all similar to the LDS faith or Mormons in any degree.

If you would like to have more information on what Mormons believe or what the LDS faith is about, please see www.mormon.org.
I totally agree! Ppl really need to know this because half of my family is mormon and LDS and are nothing like this at all.  These are extremists.  Are the same ppl who defend the FLDS saying that Extreme muslims are bad? Cuz that would be hypocritical no?
 
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April 22, 2008, 7:51 pm PDT

04/22 Secrets inside the Compound

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you are absolutely right
I agree that FLDS and LDS are totally different as i have family members in the LDS! I think  Dr. Phil (stupidly, no offense drphil) assumed that his viewers know the difference.  He should not have assumed it and explained that at the onset of the show. 
 
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April 24, 2008, 8:52 pm PDT

04/24 A Boy in Trouble

Quote From: snazzygirl

From most of the commentary I have read to this point, alot of them have been "anti-mother," and perhaps, some of that 'anger' is justified.  Yet, before we "fry" the mothers, for their lack of involvement in the protection of their children, what about the fathers or the perpetrators of the abuse??  In a way, the mothers are just as 'abused' as the victims/survivors, the fear, helplessness, SHAME, guilt, etc., they face on a daily basis, is as paralyzing as the abuse perpetrated on their children.  It is the same ole, same ole, blame the victim mentality, if they would have done this, or they would have been more vigilant, this wouldn't have happened.  Hello!!  What about the abusers??!!  Where is their moral decency??  Why is it, that we seem to make excuses for the abuser, but not for mothers involved??  Instead, we seem to rush to assign blame to them, for their lack of protection of their children, when, in a large part, they are just as victiminized as the abused?  Just some questions that sprang to mind when I was reading through the commentary, up to this point. 
 Ok that is a great point...i stand corrected because i was blaming the mom too. Yes i was blaming the dad too but i was harsh on the mom about how she didn't do anything.  But you make a good point when you explain that in this type of situation it is the mom's who are also being abused in a way as well, 

How about in my situation though? I am confused about it cuz i'm mad at my mom who never helped me when my brother did stuff to me (i was about 3 or 4 and he was 14 or 15).  She said she tried to get him help but even though i was so brave to tell my mom she didn't get me help and never talked about it again.  Anyway, not to lay my crap on everyone but this is somehting i am going through and it is similar to the situation on Dr. Phil where he did it to me and then to others after (a neighbour, a girl in college and now he's married to a 21 year old - he's 37-  and they started dating when she was 12).

Anyway, i am never ever ever ever letting my daughter or subsequent children around him alone.  Even if i'm wrong, i am not taking the chance that sooooo many ppl do.
 
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April 26, 2008, 8:42 pm PDT

Good Question

Quote From: ninherrera

It is so sad, and it makes me angry, but this pedophile who does not deserve the name of grandpa and many more like him walking around like a neighbor ,friend or relative would stoop to such a level of hurting a little child.

 

Dr. Phil is bringing on the air what is hidden in our  closets and we occasionally hear about the priests,

the colonies like the one in Colorado to Dallas  or the  teacher or coach, the list goes on. so we should watch our children  and protect them but how do we do this without making them paranoid. 

 

God help  us.

 I have that same problem.  How do we help them without making them paranoid?  THis is a big dilemma for me as well and i SO wish i know the answer.
 
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April 26, 2008, 8:53 pm PDT

I had both

Quote From: lizzie65

 I hate to burst your bubble but there is a vast difference in aborting a fetus and molesting a child. Both are tramatic I agree but being molested can and does ruin lives. I tried to commit sucide 3 times over being molested. I felt I was worth nothing. And could not reconcile the fact it was not my fault. And my Mother never came to my rescue. Thats a whole lot different than having an abortion.
Um ya exactly! I had both. I was  sexually abused and had an abortion (completely unrelated).  How can you compare the two? I see nothing in common except that they are both traumas.  That's IT! And what the hell is up with our moms not coming to the rescue???? My mom tried to help him and continues to defend him (more than 20 years later). 
At least Sheryl's mom admitted she was wrong and said she should go to jail.  I was really wishing my mom had said that. 
To all the moms out there that have protected their children, GOOD FOR YOU. You are really really great moms!
 
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April 26, 2008, 9:11 pm PDT

I was crying with you

Quote From: sllynn

 

I am amazed at how many comments have been made so far on a show that has yet to air.  How quickly people are to judge......to assume that I never sought out help for my son before this point......to go so far as to call me a monster.

 

The truth of the matter is that I had no recollection of my own abuse until 6 years ago.....at which time I did cut the ties with my father.......unfortunately the damage had already been done.

 

As far as reaching out for help.......I exhausted every resource I could find in my area.  My son has been seeing counsellors, therapists, and psychiatrists since he was in grade one.  We tried group therapy and even had numerous appointments with the principle of the school he was attending at the time.

 

Turning to the Dr Phil show was simply one more effort on my part to seek out more help.......help that I had been seeking for the past 6 years. 

 

It is sad that the level of understanding is as such.......there are so many agencies out there that help people with addiction, anger management, domestic abuse and so forth.......however when it comes to sexual abuse I have found it more difficult to find the help required......especially for a child.  If you look into some of the amazing programs for children like I have, one of the things that they make very clear is that they will help your child so long as he or she hasn't acted out in unacceptable sexual ways......

 

I recently had an invitation to enroll my son in such a program but after sending in the application, I was told they don't accept a child who has a sexual history such as my sons.

 

Along with seeking out help, I also have been to the police.  I have filled out a written statement as well as a video interview........no action has been taken on the part of the authorities.  I continue to feel like I keep hitting a brick wall.....however, that has not stopped my quest for help, healing and justice.

 

When the shows are aired this week, I hope that people will be able to come away more educated and with more understanding rather than accusations, anger, and finger pointing.

 

Not one of us can really know exactly what we would do if we were in someone else's shoes until we actually walk in them.

 Sherry Lynn, i was in tears along with you because i understood your pain. i was sexually abused by my brother and although i remembered it, it was kind of on a back burner in my brain and i was numb to it until recently. I know how you feel and know that you are truly in pain.  I can see you forgive your mom because she has truly begun to see how she erred in her ways. My mom still hasn't and believes she did the right thing (which was essentially nothing except try to get help for him). My heart was torn in two watching you break down like that and just know that Al has no rights to see your son.  Do not worry about his feelings at all (cuz as caring people i know we have those fleeting moments).  You need to coninue to do what you are doing and protect your son.  Al was smiling and laughing....how could he do that even if he did to you what he did "only" once.  truth is, you can almost just say, you know what? I don't care about the other two times, you did it to me as a newborn baby and that is enough for me to keep away.  Stay strong girl. I wish you the best and i feel a connection to you though we obviously don't know each other. It's just that i am going through my crap with the sexual abuse now.  Interesting timing.  you  did not do ANYTHING WRONG! You're an excellent mom, woman so be strong.  Sorry for all that you are going through and continue to go through. Peace.
 
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April 28, 2008, 7:18 pm PDT

what a story!

Quote From: msvicki90

My sister has been a hoarder from a very early age.  We shared a room as kids and her side of the room was always chaos.  We are, and have always been, polar opposites in that respect.  I find it hard to breathe when there's clutter and she finds it comforting.

 When she married her hoarding didn't stop.  Until just recently, they lived in a single wide trailer.  It was so packed that there were 'goat' trails in it to get through from one room to another.  She had anmials, too, and the smell was horrendous!  Once, she got very angry at a repair man who told her that her home was a health hazard. 

Our parents died within two yearsof each other and she inherited the house we grew up in.  It is substantially larger than her trailer,and has a basement.  She's 56 now, and I'm 49.  We live over 2000 miles apart, but I know she still hoards.  While they've been moving their things into the house, her husband has suggested it would be a perfect time to go through stuff and get rid of things. She balks and says that if she threw stuff out he would no doubt come to find out HE needed it and get mad a her. 

She takes no responsibility for her actions and doesn't see a problem at  all.

Our parents were always worried about her hoarding, too.  But she is very defensive about it and they would never bring it up to her.  Same goes for me.  I would so like to know why she hoards.  We had some lean times as kids, but we never had to go without.  Why does she do it?

 That is crazy...your poor sister, she is in such denial.  I find that repair man you mentioned so brave! Good for him.

   It is really hard to have that worry on you, i wish you and your sis the best and hope she can get the help she needs.
 
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May 8, 2008, 7:32 pm PDT

05/08 Is this Marriage Really Over?

Quote From: piggiesand

This is so sad and Shani's feelings are all too real. I am a 33yr old married woman  with two children and have been in her shoes and people are so quick to judge but my heart cries out for her. (and her family) I can understand the loveless marrage when she spoke of her attemps to get her husbands attention I felt like she knew me and my past. I chose to let my affair go, It was the hardest thing I have lived through!!  I didn't want to live anymore. If the man loves her he will give her the time and space even if she don't think she needs or wants it. I decided to find a recovery based church and have been attending for two years and I'm not saying it was or is always easy, I felt like my heart was being ripped out!! I am still with my husband he has not changed much as a husband BUT I have I have come to realize the NO man was desighned to fill me. Only God through his son JESUS can do that. We can only give love if we recieve it from him same with fogiveness we can only forgive because we have been forgiven.. I don't want to preach but. Jesus has changed my order and list of marital needs.  I will pray for Shani, her husband the children and the boyfriend.. I wish I could talk to her and be an ear and someone to encourage her, not got get back with her husband but to find herself, because I know with an affair you lose you!!
You are so right about a man not being designed to fill all of a woman's needs.  I think i will rethink my "list" as well.  This advice (at least it seems like that to me lol) could not come at a better time.  Thanks for this opinion!
 
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May 8, 2008, 7:44 pm PDT

to grambo59

Quote From: kaluapig

I agree!! My mom left for another man and still as I am writing you my tears won't dissapear and no matter how much counsuling I get the pain that my parents put us threw will hurt me for the rest of my life!!
Hi, can i tell you that as much as i despise the whole cheating thing and tend to be quite judgmental, i have to say to you that you are obviously very remorseful about what happened and you need to forgive yourself now.  You made a huge mistake but you are showing remorse and that is huge too. May i suggest, to help both yourself and the kids, to talk openly about it and tell them what a terrible thing it was and you know this and regret every moment and are sorry? I think that would do wonders to help them...if you haven't already.
 

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