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May 2, 2008, 12:06 pm PDT

Better late than never

      I think that it should place the child's needs more than its own.

 

     I hate to be completely blunt, but if you are born male or female. I am afraid that is exactly what you are regardless how you look, act, or feel.
    In situations, a person is born with both. It's commonly known as a he/she.

 

     Then again, I generally catch the last 45 minutes of shows since I have prior commitments. Maybe Mike/Kayla is a he/she by birth and decided to try reversing the decision, which means not only isn't he supporting his children emotionally, financially, and a sense of comfortable surroundings. I would say that the change was inevitably a selfish act on his/her part. I would also state that it borders on the old saying, "what you couldn't cut it as a man, do you really think; you will cut it as a woman?" Morale of the story be who you were born to be. It's basically suicide without a corpse to bury.

 

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May 2, 2008, 12:51 pm PDT

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Quote From: getrealtime

Sence you missed the first 15 min. its not 1 DUI its 3 DUIs and the last one in the past 6 months while he was fighting for custody of the child, I guess the drink was more importent the looking good in court to get the chance to raise his child. his needs first!!!he is also a meth head addict, living in a half way house when he meet the19 year old  girl, and he is still married and he is 35 years old...

hell Bryce don't need AA, hes a great fellow, I'm sure most of you would want this guy to be your son-in-laws and be the future dead beat dad of your grand kids, sence he is good enough for this poor baby he should be good enough for yours!!!!!

 

to me he is a parents worse nightmare come true, there is not one good thing about him!

 

 Thank god Esther looked into the future, and seen that if she kept the child she and the child would be connected to  bad news forever...

        If AA is anything like Anger Management, I'll take your commit of Bryce not needing AA as pure fact. Let me tell you due to my own rough childhood; I recieved my education at the same time as Anger Management. It's called SBH Severe Behavioral Handicap. Let me tell you; it's a joke. The only constructive management is non-violent vents, and the physical and verbal simply counter the whole purpose.

      Based on what I saw and heard. I would take Bryce as an in law over Esther's father any day of the week.

      Is it safe to percieve that you're pro-choice rather than pro-life? I'm in the middle ground here. After the first trimester, I would consider abortion murder. If you're pro-life, I would think; Esther's father threatening abortion would make the grandfather more of a threat to the child than any of the other four.

      Even if Bryce doesn't gain custody, he should be allowed to visit. I am quite sure that the adoptive parents can arrange a Children's Service Worker from Human Services supervise. Although I would make sure none of the above is capable of visiting without a Children's Services case worker present.

      I did miss if the present adoptive parents undergone the background checks needed to adopt the child to begin with if not the State needs to remove that child from this situation.

   

 

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May 3, 2008, 9:16 am PDT

Dating Older Women

          I wouldn't put much stock in statistics. Statistics are brought about by Self-Fullfilling Prophecy even optimistically 90% of the time.

         As to the topic at hand, I wouldn't object to dating an older woman. Even within my own age group, I generally approach women older than myself. I rather prefer a woman who has enough individuality not to give a flying hoot what outsiders think, and I certainly do not want to find myself in a relationship that isn't likely to be a partnership. Plain and simple. Many younger women prefer to follow rather than discuss future possibilities as a partner.

        Ironically, no one seems to bat an eyelash when a woman marries an 80 year old man who would have been about 45 when she was still in a bassinat at best in the term known as robbing the cradle, or a 45 year old man marrying an 18 year old or so on. Both are termed, robbing the cradle. Yet, this is socially acceptable. As to Kat's friend pointedly accusating that the younger men date older women for money, I'd suggest; she take a long look at women allowing themselves to rob the cradle. Isn't women dating older men for the financial stability that a younger man hasn't yet reached in his life most of the time. I find that to be a rather hypocritical thing to say.

 

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May 3, 2008, 9:41 am PDT

Lets see here

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Do you have any research or scientific data to back up your blunt assertions? Or did it just make sense in YOUR head, therefor it MUST be a universal truth?

        How about basic sex ed where they teach the differences between male and female. Males have the male organ. Females have the female organ. Meanwhile some children are born with both through the embryo's development being fed both developmental stages; therefore, the child gains both organs.

         Simple science 1 on 1. The purpose of additional research is geared to make it socially acceptable for any person to change their gender at any given time especially given medical manipulation advancement.

         Michael/Kayla openly admitted on national television that the gender change was more important than providing for his youngest daughter and son. I would wonder why the State has not stepped in, and nailed him/her for being a dad beat father. Yet, I don't think that the present laws take into account of a father changing his gender to female within family courts. As stands, many homosexual couples are not privy to child support, forced to pay child support, and so on. Therefore, I would construe that the reason Michael/Kayla is rushing this procedure has alterior motives than a mid-life crisis. Why not research how Family Court is equipped to handle the situation when it really isn't prepared to force two mothers or two fathers in regards to child support or alimuni. Simply put, this is a situation where the advancement of genetic science is ahead of the laws.
        I strongly feel that this situation is going to set a past precedant, and the show will tip off other dead beat fathers to have gender changes performed for no better reason than to nullify child support/alumini.

 

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May 3, 2008, 10:30 am PDT

The word use of It, which was used It's.

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It? Could you show anymore disrespect for a fellow human being?

If you miss the first parts of shows you can read the transcript for them. No, Kayla was physically born a male. She felt early on that she was really a female inside a male body. Kayla is not a perfect person. And like any situation there is more to the story than a simple social/political point. Kayla has issues, Kayla needs to step up and be a better parent, Kayla needs to give the empathy she expects. However, that doesn't change the fact that inherently, changing from one sex to the other will hurt people. If done in a careful and caring way trauma, confusion and dealing with intolerance can be dealt with in a healthy way.

This is not an example of that.

This is not a story about the only a sex change. This is a story about a person who is having family problems and gender identity disorder is PART of that story.

I think that "selfishness" is ok when it comes to the very core of a persons happiness. If I grew up and later realized one of my parents was miserable pretending to be the Cleaver's I would fee awful.

Yes, parents should put their kids before themselves...TO A DEGREE. But reality must be weighed...these girls didn't have to be this hurt over this and Kayla could have gone about it differently.

If a person is living a lie it's basically walking dead, with no spirit to give anyone.

     I was referring to the situation. Perhaps, I should have made that much clearer. As to the word, hermaphrodite means an organism having both sexes/commonly known as genders hence he/she. Since hermaphrodites have the ability to reverse or maintain their parent's decision, they are inevitably in limbo with their gender until they make their own decision. So, until the situation is resolved by a hermaphrodite's choice, it's inevitably a simple fact that they (hermaphrodites) can change genders based on being born with both gender organs without a choice of their own.

 

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May 3, 2008, 11:53 am PDT

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In accordance with your belief my life should have been over at the age of 19 then. We cannot put the needs of our children above our own heath and this is what you are expecting this person to do. I had my daughter at the age of 19 and while it was one of the best parts of my life, had I been told my life from that pint until I died was only about hr I would have taken my life back then.

 

Life is about balance, not about giving so much of yourself that you inevidibly live a miserable existance.

Under this premise i believe this is part of the reason we see such high rated of divorce. Suddenly the kids are the only important issue and the spousal relationship slowly withers. You cannot constantly put your children above your own needs as a human being, it is unhealthy. Instead learn to have balance.

 

If you suddenly developed cancer would you deny treatment because you needed to put your kids first? Or would you make the decision to work on getting healthy so you could be around for the longer journey? While GID is not on the same plane as cancer it is a very similar path. Without taking care of your core issue all other aspects of your life suffer. That is to say your kids will not have a parent that functions at 100%. To take care of GID is to ensure not only length of life but a quality of life that we simply don't have without treatment. Treat the core problem and we can function normally.

 

Lastly the use of the word "he/she" is incredibly offensive and insensitive to all people of intersexed conditions. Someone who is born in the manner you speak of is known as a hermaphodite and is something that they cannot be held responsible for.

 

 

        You're profile doesn't cover your present or past gender, so I'll deal with this as best as possible. And, through the motions.

 

       What you're really saying is that, you should have been honest with yourself before a child complicated the situation. When you have a child, some dreams are placed on the back burner, and others are destroyed. The child's needs come first, and you were already bonding with your daughter before she was born. If I recall, this begins shortly after the first or second trester of pregnancy. The baby can hear you.

       As to your cancer anologus, it would depend on the needs of the child at the time. Such as if your child has a condition especially potentially life threatening, you couldn't afford both; would you not choose to save your child first? I'd think so.

       The child must come first because he or she is counting on you entirely to be a mother or a father to him or her. While you could have rectified yourself and the situation would have been moot. Or, you could have avoided having children until you could correct the situation.

       I disagree about your reasons of high rate of divorce. I think that the high rate of divoce is the misconception of how a marriage works. A marriage is about two people taking the same path. Not two people merging into one. Otherwise, it becomes expected that your significant other will come to the same conclusions as yourself while you can walk the same street without coming to the very same conclusions. It is also important to be consistent to raise children with good morals, respect, and successful later in life. A child is also very impressionable. Another words, if a parent doesn't respect women, the child will grow up to not respect women either. If both parents are the same gender, they will believe; this is how it is supposed to be. Then in school, when they realize this isn't the case for all families, they will have issues. Especially, whether or not the child is attracted to the opposite gender when the parents are of the same gender. Essentially, whatever issues the parents had would work in reverse for the child. Is this a healthy situation to place a child into, which really is the heart of this particular legal debate.

        As to my original post, I virtually screamed being honest with yourself, your biology/genetics, and who you are in relationships. To lie to oneself, it is the same as committing suicide, but it won't have a corpse to bury. (Basic grammar, to lie to oneself is a prepositional phrase, and the it/it's refers to the prepositional phrase, which acts as an introductory clause.)

        As to yours, your stance is dauntment to when a person of one gender is attracted to the same gender and has the emotional attributes of the opposite gender, yet remains their gender is lieing to themselves. Therefore, they are walking corpses for remaining how they were born opposed to changing their gender to correct the inconsistancy of their chemical balances of physical biology and emotion.

        Would Michael aka Kayla pass a lie detector test? I highly doubt it. He chose to be a father three times before he set changing his gender into motion. In effect, he hasn't paid child support, yet he could afford the hormone and chemical changes while he is also gearring to make his sex change to female final. More disturbingly, the same as same gender couples are left out of the loop of child support and other conditions marriage poses; there is no legal conditions of support and alimony for a father changing to female, or at least none that I could locate.
        In short, I think this whole gender change situation involving Michael if Dr. Phil had used a lie detector test to see if Michael was attempting a loophole to avoid child support and alimony; I strongly feel that his answers would be deceptive.

 

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May 3, 2008, 12:38 pm PDT

Bambi

     I think that Bambi needs to step back from the situation. This way she can see that her daughter and son in law are trying to include here, and they want to make sure that she understands. That, she no longer has final say in her daughters life. I would think that if this was clearly understood; things would be easier.

     As to making a threat into a promise, I wonder if she understands; she could be completely removed from the situation under premeiditated murder charges. Even if she's declared mentally ill, she would still be forced into a situation; I'm sure she'd prefer to avoid.

     In case, Bambi can read this. I would reccommend using the less violatile methods of Anger Management in this situation. It would be better to find a much better vent than one that can be considered a threat to someones well being. Which I might add verbal venting is taught in Anger Management, and many will say the first thing that pops into their head. The defining point afterwards is whether it was a verbal vent or threat by their actions. In this situation, it cannot be considered a mere vent, and it would be wise to avoid a repeat of such an incident unless you want legal entanglements as well.

 

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May 3, 2008, 1:17 pm PDT

Didn't realize feminine meant female

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Unfortunately people like this never bother to research, educate or simply listen to all the facts first. They tend to form an opinion based of of their first emotional instinct and there is no amount of scientific data or human interest that will ever make them see things differently or at least weight all options.

 

It's an archaic way of thinking and simply doesn't fit into the evolutionary ladder. What really saddens me is the lack of emotion to the statement. People will rip on Kayla for being totally emotionless during the interview but how is this mentality and different or any better?

 

I'm a human being, I bleed the same blood as all others. I have the same capacity for emotional value and get hurt like all others. It is sad to think people like that poster feel they are better than the rest of us.

Last time I check, feminine is emotion/s attributed to women. Or in more recent times referred to a woman  trapped in a man's body. Here in more politically correct terms. A female trapped in a male's body.

    Yet, if a person has more chemicals in their brain that increases speeds/rates of anger, this is considered a disorder and is treated.

    If a child has more chemicals or produces more energy than most, they are treated to reduce the energy often dubbed Hyperactive or in full Hyper Active Attention Deficit Disorder.

    Then, there's the complicated legal issues involving insane/genious and so on.

    So, if you want me to provide a research paper and my sources, are you really prepared for an extremely rude awakening in regards to the emotional entanglements and attraction based through science, or is it better to use the knowledge I gained from looking things up that I never aimed to use to create a research paper on because it contradicts my own views, morals, and beliefs as a whole.

    As to posting without the full facts of any given situation presented on the Dr. Phil Show, Other posters have stated quite well that we are not privy to the full facts; by your own words, these message boards serves no purpose meanwhile it is meant to state our own opinions. At the very least, as rude and unsensitive in other posters eyes, I may be; I stick to what I've said or try making my stance better understood.

     In this case from lack of emotion, general attitude, and the complete and utter disregard to his financial as well as fatherly bonds created prior to his mid-life crisis, Michael seems to be attempting to find himself into a legal loophole that not even homosexual activists are able to close through their movement. (No Gay is not politically correct as Gay means happy, and it's a situation if you can't accept yourself; I won't do it for you. It's no different than trying to call themselves the opposite sex when they have the male or female sex organs that divide whom is male or female. Considering, that is part of how I develop my views on this sort of circumstances; it is as simple as looking up the definitions of sex organs to research what gender a person is. In terms of hermaphodites, hermaphodite means having both gender organs, and this is the same as being called he/she. Especially since at 18 years old this person can either change their parents gender choice for him or her or remove one gender organ to be the other whether it is male or female.

       Since we're discussing views, my view is quite simple. All people are created equally. They have the right to choose what is best for them unless it hurts or harms another person. In Daddy Drama's case, the children are hurt, and he had ample opportunity to use a mental condom to avoid having children until either the laws are adjusted to account for a mother or father changing their gender or to make amends by attempting to maintain their bond, which inevitably in the case of a gender change is slim to nil. It's an unfortunate sacrifice, but the laws must be able to account for the situation before this situation should have ever took place. I stand that if a lie detector test was administered; the question was the gender change an attempt to fall into a legal loophole involving child support and alimony. I would imagine the test would reveal that a no answer would be deemed deceptive by a professional. If not, it still doesn't change that this loophole exists, and a good lawyer can fight for a dead beat father out of any obligation of child support/alimony. There is no past precedant for this situation to my knowledge. If you have a resource in this case, I would gladly read it through.

 

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May 3, 2008, 2:40 pm PDT

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when you read over the post that support  Bryce in getting back the child, you only hear he should get the child back because he WANTs the child back, I think the posters and Bryce have the same metality, childish. No one gives reasons to way he can raise a baby, and what good he is doing now, or how he changed, They talk as if the child is a object, and not a little person with rights of her own.

 

Their outraged by the law, and they should be ,there are good fathers that are being denied their children because of it. and the law should be changed because of them, and then we will have to deal with bad fathers  as bryce on a one on one in court, as we do with the mothers.

Bryce would of never got any rights to this child, even if the law was not in effect. he shows he can't make any good life choices for himself, and has not been straight for a year or more.

and just like mothers who show themself as bryce has and are in the courts system, will be denied their rights to see their child, until they can prove to the court that they can take care of the child.

 

You can't put a child in a parents  hands and hope the child will help them grow up,and you can't use it happens all the time, because that is making a child suffer because other children have. and we want to help children not throw them under the bus like the rest the courts have failed.

 

Bryce can't stomp his feet and say I WANT, he has to do, and that mean, he has to get a job  get a home of his own, be off meth for over a year, and can prove it, and not be drinking for over a year.

You want = well mother who have their children in front of the court system and live life like bryce are having to prove themself to be fit too. and in the end it about the wellfare of the child not the needs of a parent.

 

 

 

1) He is working towards getting his act together, and Bryce is 100% correct about calling 911 in an emergency. Not everyone in the world has the ability to drive, so the DUI's would only play a part most likely if it becomes a problem. A single to 3 relapses will narrow the issue, but it won't entirely disable his ability as a father.

 

2) He doesn't have the ability to be a part of his child's life, so it's nearly impossible to say with any kind of evidence of his parenting skills. However, the fact that he is doing what he can speaks volumes especially compared to fathers who do nothing and can.

 

3) When you have a child, things change. Some people are slower at recieving the bodies biological chemical changes than others. In essence, just because you're a mature adult when you became pregnant doesn't translate into a great father/mother. What chemical changes can't do is teach you to be a good parent. Good Parenting is dominantly learned while the acceptance and determination to be a good parent is often a matter of biology.

 

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May 4, 2008, 10:59 am PDT

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I don't mind telling you about my past but again if you were to look through the board you would have already seen the things I've stated. What bothers me is that by discussing my past with you given your previous posts you are basically asking for precedence to talk down to me "IE he/she" 

 

I am female brained, always have been. 2 1/2 years of Dr's have pretty much confirmed what I've known since I was very very young.

 

Yes I was biological born male and I have GID. I am currently in transition from male to female and am married to a very loving woman. We intend to remain married. We have been each others best friends since the day we met in 1983. We also have a 22 year old daughter and a 9 month old granddaughter all of who support me.

 

To answer your question about destroying relationships and such by  not taking care of this issue is a little short sited. I'm not sure of your age so let me explain why.

 

I am 42 years old which is approx the same age as Kayla. Back when we were children this issue wasn't discussed. The medical community didn't have many studies on it and there wasn't much of a way to learn more about why we felt the way we did. We were simply told we were our birth gender deal with it.

 

When you do this to people with GID you cause them to have to learn how to hide their feelings and discomforts for fear of being ostracized, teased or whatever. For a very very long time I personally felt as though if anyone knew my feelings that I was unlovable as a human being, I was essentially damaged goods.

 

The other part of this is the mentality that this issue doesn't exist and if it did that you were just a sick person that didn't deserve to be a part of society. In the case of M2F's We end up reasoning ourselves into doing extremely male things to hide it and to prove that we can make it as men. We go into relationships assuming that maybe love will cure us because after all, society tells us this is what we have to do. Society has set this disorder up in a state of vacuum as it totally contradicts itself. To get treatment and transition as guided by "Harry Benjamin Syndrome" standards deems us immoral people. Don't get treated and then we are pointed at and asked why we start families knowing we are like this.

 

It wasn't until the inception of the Internet that more and more information became available and it started to become a little more known. I'd knew I felt the way I had but out of the need to survive I suppressed it as much as I could and then I realized I wasn't the only one who felt this way and that it was an actual condition.

 

Generally people of my generation  end up transitioning in their late 30s through their 50s because they just can't take it anymore and they now have the resources to understand that they CAN get help.

 

what we are seeing now is Trans people seeking help younger and younger. Not long ago Barbara Walters did a show on Trans Children and like most of us they know very very young.

 

For me my family came first and i lived miserable but not without issue. I would go into depressions for weeks because I hated myself for feeling this way. I would not care about my appearance because it just didn't matter. Most of all I had what a true transsexual would describe as Testosterone rage and I finally learned in my transition that testosterone and my brain are a bad mix, it just doesn't work.

 

I had a child at the age of 19 and felt it was MY responsibility that she grew up with her biological parents. Being male or female has no bearing on love and child rearing. You want you child, you provide for them and you love them unconditionally. This doesn't mean that you do it at the expense of your own well being. 

 

Ever contemplated suicide? Most trans people do at one time or another because the feeling of being in the wrong body is so overpowering and the fear of fixing it isn't an easy one to deal with. So they opt to take their lives instead and then they are deemed selfish people.

 

So is it better to end the pain and leave a parent childless or is it better to fix ones issues and actually be a parent?  You see you can transition and put your children as a priority in your life which is the true story here. I am much more at peace with myself today and for the first time in 40 years I am slowly feeling more and more normal. My dysphoria is dying one day at a time as I live true to my feelings. In turn I am a much more positive person and have much better interactions with my family. I will gladly ask my daughter to come here and explain it because she has already admitted she likes me much more now than before.

 

The bottom line here is that Kayla dropped the ball on her children. They should have been made aware since the beginning. They should have been brought into counseling so they could understand WHY this happens and why it is important to fix.  The should have been getting child support regardless of the circumstances...

 

So you see I am not pro Kayla by any means but lets call a spade a spade. Bad parenting isn't a product of Gender Dysphoria, it is a product of bad parenting ...period! Even regular Mom and Dads can be bad parents ...

 

 

I love my family more than anything and I'm willing to do whatever I can to show them that but I still need to be happy and healthy in the process .. Children cause dreams to be put on the back burner health issues still carry precedence

 

 

With that said it would be well appreciated if you would show me some respect and not refer to me as a he/she. I am who I am and I am proud.

        To answer the indirectly age question, I'm afraid that I'm 27. Just for future reference, I am notoriously literal. Are you saying that even through hermaphodite only refers to an organism with both gender organs that he/she is essentially equal to a racial slur even though they mean the same thing, and most racial slurs are used improperly everyday?

        In your particular situation, there's no legal issues arising from the change, and it sounds like you've definitely worked with your family to either enforce the present bond or made an equilivent to the one already in place.

       In Kayla's situation, there is. I agree that she dropped the ball, and the point isn't dead in the black of deliberate legal avoidance. The point is that the law isn't equipped, which is problematic in more ways than one.

      In any situation similar to this one, there's indirect issues that if I was within those communities; I would be paying close attention to the outcome. And, if I was classified as a dead beat dad, you'd be amazed to the lengths someone will go to avoid losing 70% of their wages between alimony and child support.

      As a matter of principle, I cannot view the ability to perform a gender change as a medical issue. I have to consider it a choice even though I'm not an advocate for an indrectly linked issue to this ordeal. That, if I was within, I would be paying close attention to this delimma. This really has to be considered a freedom of choice and protected by civil rights; otherwise, there's a major issue in the future. Unless my initial attempt to your earlier post was accidently sent prior to being finished, it occurred to me if I'm wrong and it's not already in play. Why give antagonist to an indrect issue a medical standing? Another words why give the opposition a near full proof idea...

 

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