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January 5, 2006, 10:16 pm PST
 Quote From: charlie75 Thank you for your response. I appreciate your encouragement. More than anything, I would love to know what you know about this disorder. I saw in your profile that you are an RN and work amongst mental health patients. I understand that I have a lot of internal rebuilding to do and it will probably be a life long challenge. I keep pressing forward! :) I am not the type of person to wollow though some times it is challenging. I keep my head up most days and try to forget about where I have come from. I can't always do that though. Couselling is something I agree that would be heaven sent for me. I am not yet in a position to finacially support theraputic help. Sad to admit, but I have seen a pshyciatrist for over a decade. Along with my father. We both suffer from panic and anxiety attacks. We both question if it is due to our enviroment, meaning my mother. Since I have not spoken to my mother in months, I have managed to reduce my dose from 225mg to 75mg. I have not suffered from one panic attack either. There might be some truth to my mother's affect on us. Everyday is a step closer to healing. Though the memories are horrifying at times. Again, thanks for replying. Hello! I just wanted to let you know about something I saw first thing this morning on one of the morning shows. Dr. Laura Schlessinger has a new book out called "Bad Childhood, Good Life." It just came out and I thought of it when I read your messages. I haven't been able to get a hold of this book yet, but I have read a few of her other books and she is usually right on when she talks. At least I think so, she's definitely like Dr. Phil and will tell you what she is thinking and doesn't hold back. Although *side note* on today's show I think he held back a lot more than I have seen before, about "spiritual" things. I think I may post more about that later... But I just wanted to say that we all have bad childhoods in one sense. Something happens that makes us who we are and it is up to us to decide what kind of future we will have. I think that goes along with the topic discussed today. It is up to us to decide what we will do with our lives, how we choose to look at the world, and how to spend our precious moments that we have left to live. For me, all of those questions go hand in hand with my faith, as I am a Christian (I will never hide that), but what has helped me is to know that there is a lot more to life than myself. I definitely found that out when I had my son, but sometimes I think we get into the mentality of thinking about ourselves all the time and thinking about what happened in the past and not letting go of our past hurts. Myself when I was young, it was mostly attacks on myself and not from someone like your mother, but I can speak about forgiveness as I had to forgive myself. Forgiving can do a lot for a person. I think maybe you probably have a lot of soul searching to do before you can get to this point, but it helped me tremendously. And forgiveness is not about just forgeting about it and starting new with a person as I have no belief that you should even be around your mother now. It is a personal thing and not about what the other person can do or what you could do to make things right. Another part of that change in me is my acceptance of Christ into my life, I think it would be hard to tell you what helped me without saying that Him dying for my sins allowed me to see that I had to let go of my past and live in the present, since He has forgiven me. Now I don't know what faith you are or anything about you, I am just letting you know what helped me. And just so you know that I am appalled by how those church members shunded you like that. I know from my past that not every church is the same, as I am now a different denomination from what I grew up in and a leader of my previous church betrayed my trust (although not in such a horrible way as you) but I would suggest trying to go back. You may have to try a few different places until you feel comfortable. But I believe a church home can offer a lot in the way of internal healing. It is nice to be around people that love you and will be there when you need them. Believe me it is possible. I don't know if Dr. Laura's book would help or not, but what's to lose. You may have a lot to gain, you never know! :) Hope all goes well in your journey! Amy :)
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January 5, 2006, 10:27 pm PST
Quote From: nbrooks I haven't checked out the sight but as a studied christian I know that if you're going to pray to God it has to be real. Meaning this: If you repeat prayers off of the sight it may or may not help. The most important thing to God is that your prayers are sincere. If you don't know exactly how to pray then maybe it is a good idea to quote some prayers off of the site mentioned but it is not necessary to say things perfectly. God knows you all you need to do is talk to him like he's sitting there beside you. If you are going to pray against spiritual powers directly, you're dealing with something altogether different. There are not many people who are experts at this, and I'm not one of them. I do know that living a holy lifestyle (in accordance to the Bible, following what Jesus said to live by) makes your prayers more powerful. If you want to invest time into this the best way to know what to pray is to get it directly from the Bible yourself. Get a book called a Strong's Concordance. It has references of every word listed in the Bible in alphabetical order. Search out all the scriptures with words such as spirits, prayer, etc.. that relate to your situation. These scriptures will tell you what to pray for and in what manner. One other thing, there is somethimg about saying the name of Jesus. Try it just say it over again. Try it when you're going to bed, waking up, when you get horrible thoughts and emotions rise up. Just say Jesus. It definately won't hurt!
Nathan So true, Thank you Nathan for saying so! |
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January 5, 2006, 10:47 pm PST
Quote From: wolfie some times i really wonder if any one really did watch the show or not..... this shouldn't be a religuos topic of if you believe or not.... and giveing your heart to god thing... *sighs* believeing what one needs to believe in, as long as it is possitively..... its all in the thinking. being good to your self, and good to others, good things will come. and so on. For what it is worth. It goes hand in hand. I want to do good because the love of the Lord Jesus is within me and His love makes me want to be good to myself, and good to others foremost, and then I feel good things will come with Christ who strengthens me. Plain and simple, it's all about love. And from my humble opinion the people who were on the show today do not love themselves. For I believe that if someone has that love within them they would never feel as if they were "cursed." In Sharon's case though, I think a lot has to do with the love from her parents. Because if someone could do that to their own child (even misguided as I believe they definitely were) there were more than likely other issues arising in that family. Amy
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January 5, 2006, 10:55 pm PST
Quote From: nbrooks Not sure that I understand that (Christian tarot Reader). As far as the magi and shepherd interpretation I have to say that it is very interesting, and I will study that out, thankyou for that. There is one issue that I may disagree with. I am all for 'Love thy neighbors.." but, and I may be mis-interpreting, it seems that you are saying pagans are ok, christians are ok, whoever is ok with their beliefs. This is what we call 'Eastern thinking' where no one is wrong and everyone is right. The opposite end of course is what we call "Western thinking' where there is either right or wrong. If there are two different religious beliefs only one can be right. The Bible quotes Jesus as saying "I am the way the truth and the life. No man cometh unto the father but by me." To classify this, Jesus obviously believes in Western Thinking. So there are 2 possibilities: 1) Jesus is right. He is the way and there is no other way (that would make all other religions and spiritual beliefs, including pagans and wiccans, wrong. 2) Jesus is wrong. He is not the way and there is some other way. You see if you say that everyone is right then that makes Jesus right. If he is right then everyone else is wrong so, inevitably, Eastern Thinking is impossible. You can think what you want of Jesus and the Bible but there are only three possibilities. 1) Lord: He is God. Obey the Bible 2) Liar: If this is true then he was obviously not God, and not a prophet or a good man and his teachings should be disregarded and not equalled to muhammed or whomever. 3) Lunatic: A crazy man, not a prophet. Only 3 choices, you pick! From the original message "and does anyone remember who visited Christ at Bethlehem? My goodness, it was the THREE MAGI (in Greek the word "magi" means SORCERER) - These three Sorcerers (male witches) used astrology and dream interpretation to locate the Christ child. So while the rest of the world just sat there, the Three PAGAN MAGI Sorcerers searched astrology for Christ, found him, and then worshiped him. How is that for an accurate twist on the Biblical story? "
Here is what I have to say about the Magi. They worshipped the Christ child. Doesn't that say anything???? It says a lot to me. It tells me that the Lord can change anyone. :) |
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January 5, 2006, 11:16 pm PST
Quote From: charlie75 I'm really surprised to all of the feed back I am receiving and so quickly. This thread is so ambushed with so many people's thoughts and emotions, I never imagined my post would be noted and touch some people enough to reply. Thank you. I am a born again Christian. I'm sure more than just yourself is wondering about that. I have a very sincere relationship with the Lord and am not ashamed of it. I do know how to pray and am extremely aware of spiritual warfare and the false seduction of it. I grew up in an overly religious home that borderlined cultish activities. The church that we were attending as a family when I was young and was raped, was a church that was full of manipulations of scripture and a church that had leaders who wanted to press on any accountability. Very disturbing. I have been to many churches since, but never on a regular basis since. Your senses on me were right about it being a challenge for me to be vulnerable to another body of christ. I spend most of my faith by keeping it fairly personal. My own studies, songs of praise and worship, and private prayer. I have not forsaken my Father throughout my let downs. I am fully aware that people come with flaws (sin) and in no way was it God's wish for any of those things to take place in his church. Churches were hard to stick with my whole life. My mother (errr.... mother spirit of Jezebel) has had her hand in every church and our family moved from one to the next. My mom always got in cahoots with the pastor and his family, then the elders, then got herself onto the board or on some prestigeous level in her head, then she would tear them down from the inside. The churches would suffer by what my mother would stir up and what curruption she would reveal to the congragation and move onto the next church. Interesting way to find Jesus, but I did. I just don't know how to trust other people in my beliefs. I feel very secure when it is just God and I. I will keep a heads up for Dr. Laura's book. She's a funny cookie, I like! Thank you for your input. As for moving onward into the future, I think this is where some of the readers are misunderstanding out of normal ignorance. Narcissim is very hard to escape. Think of it like a person who is a conartist, lier, stalker that follows your life, will even bring in the court system to get what they want (like grandparent rights to my children), etc, etc. It is an ongoing battle to move forward. Forward usually means, just another day battling the influences of Jezebel. It is way too hard to explain in a single post. check out the sight I gave to bible guy.... forget his handle, lol. Char I am sorry I wasn't able to get the website you gave him up on my internet. I haven't been able to get pdf files very well lately. But from what it sounds like it is pretty horrible to escape it, and I am sure it is definitely harder since it is your own mother. It is horrible that she took you to court for grandparents rights, I sure hope she didn't win! Ack! I think I have had a past Jezebel that came and went in my life. I only escaped my so called controlling friend because she got sent away, to a mental institution none the less. She was the granddaughter to my next door neighbor and I had know her all my life up to that point. I remember my father even called her a pathological liar to her face once and she proceeded to tell him off and how many ways she wasn't, I guess now that from tsunami's post (forgot handle as well) that they couldn't say what they actually are and that is part of the narcissism. It just kind of clicked when you said think of it like a conartist, liar, stalker. That was definitely what she was, and I don't know if she's still that way because I haven't seen her since I was 14. Thank God that she was taken out of my life, because I know I wouldn't be the person I am today if she stayed and was able to have her controlling presence in my life. Is there any other links you could send me, as I can't get that one working...you have intrigued me now. If you could just send it to amyjayne50126@hotmail.com. Thank you, and I do believe this will have to be goodnight as well. Amy :) |
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January 6, 2006, 2:02 pm PST
Quote From: kwyia34 I believe that curses are real. I know that this may sound crazy but i have done some deep reading on this. Now i feel like i have been cursed when it comes to men and my life in general. The reason i say this is because my foster mom was also. When she was young, this lady told her mother that she had been cursed by her aunt and that she could take it off of her for a quarter. You know back then that was good money in the late 40s. Well my foster grandmother who was an ordained minister refused to believe it and did not want to participate. The lady told her if she didn't do it, my foster mom would have problems with men she comes in contact with and also health problems where she would stay sick all the time. Well that is exactly what happened. My foster mom could not have any kids so she took me in at 2 months as her foster child. As i grew up, i saw all the problems she had with men so far as money, responsibilities, love, etc. I mean this woman was a good wholesome person who was the jack and jill of all trades but could not keep a man. Her health was deteriorating and soon passed away at the age of 43. I feel as though this curse has fallen upon me. I have problems with men. It is not that i cannot pick them but they are all worthless. Just like my foster mom, i am a good wholesome woman but i have been cursed since birth. My real mother didn't want me but kept my older sister. I grew up with no father. The way my foster mom had problems with men is the way i have problems with men also. She told me too. She said when i grow up, a man will never understand me, use me and disrespect me. Also she said people in general would too. It seems like i have the words "use me" written across my forehead. I have worked with numerous people and it seems like one out of the bunch comes up to me and ask me for things. I definitely know that i am accident prone. I have had an accident every year since i have had my license in 1994. It just seems like everything happens to me and i am a good person. I know i have had people tell me that a curse is what you make of it but even when i talk against it , things just happen anyway. I believe that there is apparent evil in the world, call that curses, do what you will, but I also believe life is all about choices as well. We can choose to think a certain way just like we choose what to wear each day. Personally I don't believe there is a curse on you. I think the power of suggestion is very powerful and I think by hearing your foster mom say these things, and probably not just once or you may not have remembered as well as you have, that you have taken this belief upon yourself. I believe bad things happen to good people, I think everyone has had problems in life. I think the most important thing we can do is to pick ourselves up and make the most out of what may be a bad situation. I belief that is a true test of who you are and what makes you, you. I know I learned the most about myself through the trials I have had in life. Also, about the men problem you seem to be having. I totally believe that once you stop looking and say come what may, then love hits you. At least that is what happened in my life as well as my husbands' life. He said that same thing when we fell in love. He said that when you stop looking, not that you totally give up on love, but if you are just living life to the fullest, love will find you. Amy |
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January 6, 2006, 2:35 pm PST
Quote From: whspreagle
Hi Terri,
I am sure that you are an intelligent and responsible person, but why do you have to leave this country to see any of the proverty you reffered to??? If you are an american an live in the United States, then you are severely mislead to think that everyone here has all the stuff you say we all have.
Visit any Native American Indian reservation of which there are over 500 in the United States alone, and you will find proverty at it worse. I should know I live there. Poverty, suicide, murder, drugs, and a multitude of other evil things reside on the reservations. We are America's biggest kept secret and even most Americans are unaware of the truth out here.
So tell me about being poor, having no hope, being pushed down till you are already 12 feet under when you are born. Come and visit, visit I say because there are very few who could survive out here and most probably yourself. Take a chance though and check it out.
Whispering Eagle Hello Whispering Eagle, I just wanted to say that it is true we don't have to go too far to find extreme poverty in the US, but what I think Terri was saying is that we ( you and me, not our ancestors) are very lucky to live here. We have a choice to pull ourselves out of poverty, I can give you many names of people that have done it in the US, one being Oprah herself. I think that we as a society on the whole are so lucky to have freedoms that other countries could never even dream of! #1 being freedom of religion, freedom of speech (although I believe some take too much liberty with this), and so so many others. There are still places in this world that you can be killed for being a Christian, it's not something from yester-year, people are still be persecuted for what they believe. I am just giving this example because I wear my faith out on my sleeves and am not ashamed to tell you about what I believe. I am so glad I can tell you and not be harmed in the process. I have been to many reservations in my life, living in the midwest and traveling around the states you are bound to travel close to one or through one. But I also have a sister-in-law, that is as close or even closer to me than my own sister, that is a eye doctor on one of these reservations. I hear from her all the time about the depression she sees in people. I know that this has come from a long line of mistrust of white people and from the terrible things we (my ancestors) did to you (your ancestors), but I also believe that everyone in this country has a choice to pick themselves up by their boot straps and live life to the fullest. I am really trying not to sound insensitive, because I really don't want you to take this as any kind of maliciousness. I just feel that people in the US and Canada have so much more to live for than anyone else does in the world. The US was founded on Godly principles and I believe it is our duty to the world to live our lives to be of service to those who are in need. To whether it be someone in our own country that needs a helping hand or to those who are truely starving in the world for everything that we sometimes take for granted, whether it is governmental health care or the best doctor money could buy. I also want to challege Dr. Phil to see if he could help those who live on reservations. I think he could do some good to bring this issue to the forefront, although it's probably another hot botton issue. Amy Jayne |
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January 7, 2006, 10:48 pm PST
Quote From: whspreagle Hi Amy Jayne
I like that challenge. How can we let Dr Phil know about it??? I was thinking of him at a community meeting with some of my fellow tribal members, most of whom I am related to. And in the back of my mind I could see him standing in front of everyone and hear him saying "what were you thinking?"
Come on Dr. Phil Here is a real challenge!!
I would like to share a joke that was going around out here after a few seasons of the the reality show "Survivor". People out here were saying, "hey, I got the next survivor location: Survivor Indian Style". The plan was to put a group of these people on a reservation like in the middle of the Navajo reservation and let them try to survive on govt commodities and handouts for a while. It was quite a hoot and got many laughs, but of course it was a way to cope with a situation that daily seems to be out of control for many people out here.
Help is needed but not the cold heartless govt help, but something more compassionate, and caring. Although I do not participate in the alcohol or the drugs or other illegal activities, I am concerned that people that I do not know yet are going to be gone too soon. Do you know how long it takes to get to know over 4,000 relatives???
Whispering Eagle Ok, I know this is totally off subject. But maybe this board could use a little lightening up. I total love what you said about the next survivor location, too funny. In my household we also have a running joke that they should really come to Iowa and try to survive and Iowan winter. But then I guess that wouldn't probably be too much of a ratings booster as they couldn't strut around in their bikini's anymore. I still think it would be a true survivor though, your idea and mine as well. :)
On a different note, I totally agree that compassion can go a long way. I am very proud of the work my sister-in-law is doing, especially because she's going into the grade schools and getting the children tested for eye problems and diseases. She's really put a lot of passion into her work and I think that is why God placed her there. I just pray that you will receive more people with such passion. It truely shows that one person can make a great difference. I think a lot of us should learn that.
I can't imagine how good it must feel to have so many relatives so close. My family is so spread out, wish we could be a little closer together. :) Amy :) |
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January 7, 2006, 11:11 pm PST
Quote From: liatsunami Well let's just say they didn't get better because YOU or anyone else prayed for them. It might be coincidental, it doens't really matter to me. And there may be object ive "truth" but you don't know it, and I don't know it. No one does. And don't try to use the bible or any other religious texts to justify what you say because everything on this earth has been touched by human hands and biases and is therefore imperfect and flawed, and that INCLUDES religious writings. Now, I am DONE talking religion with people. I don't care what people believe and why. I just want you all to do something USEFUL for people, instead of bantering on and on about who's religion is right and who's is wrong. If you're so willing to help people than give REAL answers instead of the philisophical and theological discussions. This isn't the place for it. What this forum was for is HELPING people cope with events and feelings that upset them. It's not a place for ANYONE to evenagelize or prosteletize their religious agenda. * Jé* For me religion and the human mind goes hand in hand. I am sure this is true whatever religion you are. I just have told people what has worked for me and if you don't think that is a real answer, than I guess you will just have to do what you will. For me Christianity is the answer, it is the only thing that has helped me many times through my emotional distresses. I just wanted to let people know that there is a way out and it's through the blood of Jesus. I think if I didn't discuss that I wouldn't be giving a person the whole truth about what helped me get through rough patches in life. I am not a clinical psychologist by any means, but I am not uneducated. I have taken well over 20 hours of college level psychology classes as I was once a psychology major in a liberal arts university. But it didn't really help me. It was missing something, and I found that something quite a few years ago when I gave my life to Christ. I think sometimes we try too hard to find something mentally wrong with a person, and then to find out later that just a little dose of a love that they had never known will cure all things. I don't doubt that there is mental illness out there, but I also don't doubt that some people are just looking for a power greater than themselves. I have read posts on this board that suggested to me that there are quite a few people out there that are looking for that power. Also I am just defending my maker against anyone that has said he doesn't exist, and if that is evangelizing than so be it. If you are so uncomfortable in reading that, then by all means don't read it. |
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January 8, 2006, 9:15 pm PST
Quote From: liatsunami I didn't say I was uncomfortable reading it. I'm just saying the long and lengthy discussions over religion are in my opinion not appropriate for this particular topic. This topic should focus on helping people with thier problem. I am also saying that before people start in thinking they are possessed/cursed/whatever, then they need to take the route of making SURE there is nothing physically or mentally wrong with them before turning to things like excorcism or praying with the expectaion that some divine power is going to fix their problems. I don't think that is such unreasonable advice. What I find unreasonable is people who just automatically give people the advice of "find Jesus" or "pray about it" with the expectation that divine intervention will stop their problem when there could be a physical or mental issue causing their problem, that can be fixed through human means. Another note, if you took psychology classes in hopes of understanding yourself and helping your problems then you totally missed the point of psychology. You can't diagnose and treat yourself. The whole point of psychology is an objective party looking at a problem of the human mind. And when we diagnose or try to treat ourselves we are NOT objective, we can't be. But then again psychology doesn't work for EVERYONE. I think it's great that prayer worked for you. I think had you just left your post at "For me Christianity is the answer, it is the only thing that helped me many times through my emotional distress." and then elaborated on that point, like what you did? How you were feeling? How you came to that conclusion. What other methods you tried? Then I think your post would have been very helpful . I am not trying to dismiss anyone's religious convictions I"m just trying to help people be as helpful as possible with their posts so we can all get the maximum benefit out of this forum. Just wanted to clarify why psychology didn't work for me... First, I think with anyone that takes under such a degree will look into their own lives to see where they could become more productive, healthier, and better apt to adjust to life's endless changes. I think someone that is in a health related field has to be interested about it because of something that had happened to them in their own lives, or else where would that passion come from? I guess the main thing that I was trying to look for was help with depression, and I just said that it didn't work for me in that respect. It didn't improve my own outlook on life. The only thing that helped me find that peace of mind was when I first believed in Jesus. I do know that psychology has made me a better mother, and a better friend. I think with the knowledge I received I did gain a respect for how the mind works and how to be a more caring and a better listener. I just think that I found that peace I was looking for in God and not in my own self. No drugs needed, no diagnoses, no need for therapy. I guess I just believe when you become a person in a heath related field you should be able to recognize the signs, whether it be depression or a broken leg. No need for objectivity. I do think that you cannot treat yourself, but have another doctor set your leg, or have help from the Master Healer himself. |
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