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July 1, 2008, 4:29 pm PDT

07/01 A Secret Inside: Extreme Hoarding

My mother was a pack rack, but she was very insistent that our environment be clean. Even though we always lived in an apartment, and boxes of stuff would be stacked in a corner, everything else would be cleaned as needed and thoroughly cleaned every Saturday.

 

As a single mother of three children, we lived in a cluttered, pack-rat environment. I allowed my children to clutter their rooms "because at least they did well in school and school was more important than them having to deal with cleaning their rooms" (I rationalized). I was fairly successful in keeping the common areas only cluttered, but not filthy. Two of my children tend to be 'clutter bugs'. I sense a feeling of frustration from one of my children, and three of my grandchildren, which seems related to clutter.

 

I am finally a recovering pack-rat and mild hoarder. When I would actively hoard, the old adage of "Waste not, want not" would come  to my mind. So I would keep pens, pieces of paper, home office supplies, etc. I used to keep magazines, newspapers, and articles 'because I may need to refer to them later'.

 

Also, the side effect of three years of depression after the death of my stepson resulted in several straight immobilized days. Many times during those years, I sat on a sofa for hours. I didn't get up to eat, drink, or bathe. So, I certainly didn't have the emotional or physical energy to deal with the environmental accumulation.

 

I stated all this to indicate that I have an idea of events that can lead to hoarding.

 

Thank God that I am on the path to try to de-clutter, and simplify our co-existence with "stuff", while trying to maintain a healthy desire for having a spacious, pleasant environment.

 

We are currently shopping for a replacement mattress set in order to rest better, and replacement living room furniture for a more pleasant, comfortable area in which to relax. I am trying to decide whether to have a garage sale or give away the rest of the "hoarded" items that are usable.

 

The decision is to weigh the time/effort it takes to have a garage sale against the immediate result of de-cluttering the accumulation. Considering that I am temporarily disabled and the current economic environment, which choice to make is difficult. But, I plan to make the decision within a couple of weeks and follow through with with fervor!

 

I feel that a person's unsecured debt could become a problem as the result of a person becoming a hoarder. 

 

Suggestions that I have related to the segment are (1) Rather than going through the extreme costly detoxification of the houses and storage places, that they be disposed of and replaced--there is most certainly rampant mold and mildew. Also, replacement of the belongings seems advisable so that mold will not contaminate the 'new' spaces. (2) that the children be placed apart from the "hoarders" until the time that counseling/behavior modification has been enacted by the adults. By doing this, it can give the children a reprieve from being in the middle of the toxic adults.  (3) The animals do not seem to be a priority. If they are truly unwanted--give them to a no-kill shelter for adoption. If the animals are wanted, an outside sheltered area should be constructed for them, considering that they are not house-trained. The current housing situation isn't even good for animals.

 

I know that the healing and modifications can take a lot of time, but it will be well worth it in so many ways! Go forward as you look to a more rewarding existence.

 

 
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July 8, 2008, 2:49 pm PDT

7/01/08 Extreme Hoarding

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Dear Dr. Phil,

 

I'm a sporatic watcher, not a consistent one.  When I heard the topic of todays' show I resolved to watch the full program.  It was hard to watch.  Am I a hoarder?  Yes, to some degree but I couldn't touch the depth of todays lady.  I do admit to considerable clutter though none of it is food.  Mostly books, magazines and unfinished projects.

 

I haven't always agreed with some of your solutions but do feel you care about your guests and a productive, successful outcome.  For nearly 20 years I was a renter in a property owned by my brother.  He stopped by one day without calling and the house was not up to muster.  His first comment was, you need to get this place cleaned up.  I did start working on it with the help of my daughter and one of my sister-in-laws but it wasn't going fast enough for him.  Approximately a week later he stopped by again and announced that the following Saturday I was to find somewhere else to be because he was recruiting my other siblings (I'm one of eight) and having a dumpster delivered and they would be clearing out the apartment.  It's amazing what was missing when I returned to my apartment.  Come to find out he had a deadline because he was putting the house up for sale.  No I was not told there was a deadline or about the sale.  I really went into a slump after that.

 

I have been a high school business teacher now for over 25 years.  Currently 58.  No excuses here just information, in 1998 I had the my second of two strokes.  I had a very poor doctor at the time and ended up retreating into a depression I was never warned about.  I was admitted to the hospital on a Monday, stayed four days, discharged Friday and returned to work on the following Monday.  I had asked when I could return to work and was told "When you feel up to it." 

 

Feeling up to working had no part in it; I was brought up with a very strong work ethic.  You have a responsibility to be at work and if not you better be on your death bed.  No other reason to miss work.

 

Needless to say, I experienced considerable difficulty upon my return to work.  Three weeks later I made an appointment to sit down with the neurologist that attended me while in the hospital.  I conveyed my difficulties:  (1) memory loss (2) physical and emotional exhaustion (3) constant and increasing anxiety and stress levels (4) considerable confusion.  I was too tired when I got home to do housework and was literally sleeping all weekend just so I could make it through the next week.  When I asked him what I could do about it his response was, "Get over it!"  I think back now and wish I still had some of my youth brass.

 

My parents, God bless them, have both passed and where children of the depression years. . . nothing was ever thrown out if there was a slight chance it would be useful later.  BUT the house was always neat and organized so how did I end up like this?

 

I believe I can attribute my clutter to my extended levels of anxiety and depresssion and health issues (as noted above plus Type II diabetic, severe sleep apnea (awake 43 times per hour average) now have a CPap to use and am on 90 mg Cymbalta daily.  What do you think?  I have no interest in becoming a show participant but would welcome a brief response if you can find the time.

 

I'm currently on summer vacation and will check periodically to see if you have any words of wisdom for me.

 

Chris

 

 

In response to Chris: About three months after radiation treatments for Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma were completed, I had an extreme anxiety attack at work. I really thought that I was going to die because I had so much trouble breathing. I had no history of anxiety attacks; therefore, I did not know what was happening. Medical professionals failed to tell me that I had dealt with the physical part of the cancer, but not the emotional part of it. It's unfortunate that your doctor was uncompassionate with you. I was working in a demanding, high-profile job and felt as if I couldn't take anymore time off. In hindsite, I found out that taking a little more time off could have helped a lot, if it would have been in conjunction with counselling. After a long process, my philosophy has become that I can't change what happened before, I can only go forward from this minute on--I can only influence the future. 

 

My conclusion about my hoarding issues is that it stemmed from several decades of criticism for a whole spectrum of decisions. The criticism would typically come from those who confessed to care and/or love me--which, of course, impacted my phsyche. I would basically become immobilized to 'cleanse' my environment, in order to avoid criticism that would definitely follow.

 

There has been many  devastations in the United States. I began to think about the chance of something happening to my "things". So, I am now on a mission to de-clutter to the point of enjoying a more spacious living environment, along with the "things" that are most precious to me, such as family photos.

 

De-cluttering and putting a stop to hoarding starts with a mental process that we are capable of doing, with the help of other resources, i.e. books, Internet, friends, family.

 

Don't give up--get the emotional support you need and de-clutter your life. You will be glad that you did!

 

justmyangle.  

 
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July 14, 2008, 2:14 pm PDT

Uterus Drop

My personal experience with having a dropped uterus follows. My doctor told me that my dropped uterus happened because of having my children and he gave me three choices: 1) stay in pain for the rest of my life 2) be walking and have my uterus literally drop out of my body, or 3) have surgery for a partial hysterectomy (removal of cervix and uterus). Because I had already gone through 1 1/2 years of one infection after another, plus I had all the children that I wanted (three), I immediately chose the surgery. It was one of the best decisions I ever made.

 

However, I was not told about potential post-operation side effects that I happened to experience (I don't know if they are typical side effects). One side effect was a very bad bladder infection (it painful because I waited too long to go to the doctor, but was better in a couple days). The other side effect that was even worse for me was that one day, for only one day, I became very suicidal. Because of my religious belief, I would never commit suicide while in my right mind. There were absolutely no reasons for the suicidal feeling because, even though I was a single parent of three, I was looking forward to the surgery, and I had a great caretaker for the children while I was hospitalized and first recovering.

 

So, Dorine, please have the surgery ASAP so that you'll feel better. However, ask the doctor to fully explain all the potential side effects that may be worrisome to you.

 

You will probably need to be on Estrogen for several years, but it is a small tablet, and a small price to pay to feel so much better.

 

(I needed to composed this quickly, so I hope that it makes sense).

 

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