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September 16, 2008, 5:36 pm PDT

What in the world

I am a mother of 2 black children and one on the way. I am white. I never use that word and I get mad at my boyfriend if he uses it. Nobody should use the word. I know that my children are half white but will never be accepted a white. They will always be black in most everyones eyes. If you ask my daughter what color she is she says mixed up and beautiful. I do not want them to grow up knowing that word. I know they will eventually be called or will be faced with that word. And I hope that I will be able to do my best to explain. Racism still does exsist. I do not believe that it is what it was in the past but I as a white women with mixed children am faced with rasism from both ends white and blacks. I have been called white trash from a black woman my own mother has called me a n-lover. I do not look for love from black men it is really personalities that count to me. I have been with both white and black men. I just believe that the N word should not be used and that the world is getting better.
 
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September 17, 2008, 9:23 am PDT

I am not saying they will not be accepted

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I can't help but find it funny (not ha ha funny) that you would actually say "my children are half white but will never be accepted a white". You yourself are white and your boyfriend is black. Does this mean that you also are incapable of accepting yourself, your boyfriend, and your children? Are you seeing the lines between black and white? I personally don't care what the color of anyones skin is, that is not what makes the person. But for you to make the comment that you did, it seems that you do. Considering the fact that "mixed" children are now commonplace, I can't understand why they are not accepted. How did they get here in the first place? By one race accepting another, right? I realize that there is still bigotry alive and well, but I disagree that it is as rampant as people believe. And I take offense as to the idea that your children will never be accepted as white or by the white race. Believe it or not, not all of us see color, just people. It's character that matters to me, nothing else.
To me I feel that you do not understand it at all. My children are Both white and black but in this world when they go out into it your and everyone elses perception of them will be that they are black.  By there outward appearance. My children will be who they are and will know to show no discrimination toward anyone. But I know that they their selves will endear it Because it still happens. I meet people at work or around town and see that once they see my children or know that I am with a black man some have treated me different. Black and white. I accept it i am not complaining. I am very happy with my life. and character does matter but not all the time. I accept my life if noone else does but I can not walk around thinking that racism does not exist. It is becoming less a problem but it is still out there.
 
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September 17, 2008, 9:30 am PDT

My children

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Just watch one day when your daughters come to you and ask you about the "N" word, and what it means.  It would be nice to see where she heard it from the very first time.  That lies the question, where does it really start from.  And to be honest, your mixed daughters should consider themselves Americans, not black or white!  People will only be judged by how they act.  Like I tell people, I am not rascist one bit, but I do hate idiots, and there are idiots in all races!

 

I do consider my children Americans but in America when their faces are shown the perception will be that they are black. I accept them for who they are they are beautiful and very intelligent. They will have discrimination from I believe both black and whites. Because they are both races. I will not treat them different and will teach them they are special and should be proud of who they are. People will not always be judged on how they act maybe by you but not everyone. 
 
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September 17, 2008, 9:48 am PDT

I agree 100%

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Ok so just about the last week I've been checking on this board and reading the posts but no one black or white has stopped to talk about this word and why it's so hurtful.

I am 21 years old and well educated. No, my parents didn't send me to private schools because they were just regular middle class people, but they always taught me the importance of education and how important a desire to succeed is. I have been in the local gifted program since I was 8 and I graduated in 2005 after starting college while I was still in highschool. Because I don't live up to the expectations of this words and others like ghetto, hoodrat, etc. (all words that have somehow become synonomous with black) I have never been black enough. For anyone black or white. Because I didn't perpetuate the BET stereotype I was ostracized by both races.

But really what does that mean? Because I present myself in a classy way, because I "speak well" and pride myself on my educational achievements I'm "acting white" but why are these qualities that are all good qualities to have only associated with white people?? Does that mean the opposite triats, the stereotypical black person represented in the media, are the bad ones? That's what this word means to me. It's a way for someone who doesn't know me or my accomplishments to demean me. There is no other word in the English language that allows someone to be cut down in the 2 seconds it says to utter it.

I refuse to use this word in my daily life because I want to have the right to be offended when someone says it to or around me. I want to be able to stand up for myself and say that that's not what I am. I hate that when I walk into job interviews and people read my resume and speak to me on the phone and I walk into their office they do a double take. I hate when my white husband introduces me to people as his wife we et that "look". I hate that somehow it's ok for me to be married to a white man just because I "act white". Who cares? I want this word to die so that I don't have to completely prove myself to strangers just because of the color of my skin. I hate that somehow I'm not expected to be smart because the color of my skin.

Please everyone on this board understand the pain that this word causes. Everytime I hear people use this word it hurts because I can see someone just seeing me walking down the street and thinking that about me. And though some people say it's a term of endearment it's not. It shouldn't be presented in the media as ok. As long as people use it flippantly it allows that one person who means the hate behind the word to get away with it. I don't want to have to explain to my children one day when they come home crying from school what that word means.

There's so much I could say... but it'd take all night.

Even though I am a white female I agree 100% everyone thinks that it's character and how you act. Racism is still out there and it just needs to stop all the way. No one should say the word.

 
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September 17, 2008, 5:20 pm PDT

Calm down and open your eyes

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I'm sorry, but I just don't go around paying attention to who is black, white, Hispanic, or mixed. I don't care! We are all people and to me, skin color just does NOT matter. At all! And you are 100% wrong when you say that character doesn't matter all of the time, it does. That is what "makes" you who you are. Without character, what do you have? That is what I judge others by. I grew up in a highly populated Hispanic community so I've always been around people who are not white, and children who are "mixed".  I'm sorry but I just don't have the time or the motive to notice or judge others by the color of their skin. Not all white people do and I'm incredibly tired of this assumption. I'm obviously aware that there are white people out there who are still bigots, I'm not that naive. But I find it hard to believe that it is the majority. How many years now have interracial couples been getting married and producing children, easily 30 to 40 years now.  That makes for quite a few mixed children. So no, when I see your children walking down the street I don't think "oh, black children", instead I just see "children". I refuse to allow others to pigeon hole me into being what they expect me to be. I am just a white woman, living a somewhat normal life (I'm now disabled) but I want to be judged by my character, not the color of my skin. And the point that I was trying to make in the first place is that you yourself are the one who notices the difference in your own children, not I. Until the day comes when everyone stops "noticing" the color of skin, this debate will continue to rage on. And for what reason? None that I know of!
You may not pay attention but others do. And I do not believe I am 100% wrong on the character issue. It is not that I believe it happens all the time but alot of blacks whites Hispanics ect are judged by race and not character. I feel that maybe you are in a bubble somewhere. Character does make you who you are and in your character is the ability to accept that there are people out there that are racist and part of your character depends on how you react to it. I do not go around looking at how people treat me. I may notice it here or there but I don't base my life on it. I just accept the fact that my children will have racism around them from Black and White people. I know that I will have to deal with it one day. Not by everyone but by some. You are only going on what you feel and not by what is true. I never said it was the majority of white it is white and black.  You may see my children as just children but not everyone will. I have not judged you. You are one person. But you can not be blind to it. racism is alot of ignorance to the fact that most people act like it does not happen and therefor look to be cold not meaning to be but don't really realize how their actions may affect others.  Everyone should stop noticing the color and judging but until there is one race a race as my daughter would call Mixed Up And Beautiful people will still judge by color.(Not all but it will still happen)  White Blacks all races has people that judge others. All I am saying is that it still exist and will always exist. It will get better or maybe it might get worse history repeats its self.
 
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September 18, 2008, 6:49 am PDT

You are the one who does not understand

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First of all I don't need to calm down as I am already plenty calm. And no, I don't live in a bubble. As I said, you didn't even read my post. And back to the subject of character? Yes, it is the most important part of any human being. Character is what makes you who you are. Maybe you have no real understanding of what that word means. I'm not going to waste my time arguing this point.

Good luck in your life!

I read your post Matter of fact I went through your post while I was writing mine in the same order to yours. And yes there was a lot of !! and "" so to me that seems as though you need to calm yourself and open your eyes. In most of your postings to me you judged me. I understand character is important what you don't understand is that people are not always judged on it. I have not said that YOU do but it is still here. But you will not understand that because of your ignorance to the subject. You do not know me and I do not know you but I would consider you cold and very close minded. Like Rachael has said "Maybe I don't label it racist but I think through their eyes I am. Well if I want to prove I am not then I am going to have to do that by showing respect. If whites have the power to change the world and stop racism and help blacks feel equal, why not use it." Rachael has gotten it maybe you should read some of her post she has wrote some good ones , ones that make since and that are not trying to cover racism up. Why not have some compassion to help the problem instead of acting like it don't happen.

 

 

 

character (n.) The combination of qualities or features that distinguishes one person, group, or thing from another. See synonyms at disposition.

 

disposition (n.) One's usual mood; temperament: a sweet disposition.

 
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September 18, 2008, 8:14 am PDT

Children Do live what they learn

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I am 61 years ol, grew up in the suburbs of Los Angeles and never experienced racisim.  I wasn't taught it, I just never knew about it.  I learned about it when I married a militarty man and lived all over the place.  When I learned that a friend of mine from Florida would not get on a bus if the driver was black, it made me laugh.  I have never heard of anything so ridiculous.  Then my black neighbors told me what they had gone thorough when growing up, couldn't try on clothes they wanted to buy, etc.  I was mad.  I know my mind, and If I had been born black and lived in their area I would be dead.  Now I am a very proud and happy gramma of a black grandson and he considers himswelf black.  I try to teach him all I can about his history, try to keep him from going into the gangs (white or black or hispanic, asian).  I want him to carry himself with pride, be smart, make the right choices and tell him how it is.  He has a great sense of humor, manners, and he does not even think about "what" his friends are.  I see lots of people looking at him then looking at me and I know it is because he is so handsome, how could it possibly be anything else?

 

Children live what they learn.

This is so true. I see my mixed children growing and they will learn to show no discrimination. They deeply love both sides of their family and treat both equally. But what are you going to do when your grandson comes to you and he feels that someone treated him different because of his race? You cannot act as though it doesn't happen. You have to prepare yourself for that. You may tell him not to worry that he is a handsome young intelligent man. He will live that. and his character will be defined on how he reacts. But in this world it will happen. A black person may learn that his mother or father is white and think that he is not black enough. I personally would have nothing to do with that person again. But he has to decide to live on and not let ignorance hold him back. I am not saying that black people need to move on. But you have to decide are you going to let ignorant or racist people hold you back. I will teach my children to hold no hate in their heart for anyone but I know that they will Have to face racism in their lives.
 
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September 19, 2008, 6:16 am PDT

Oh whatever you are who you are

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To be able to call me ignorant, cold, and closed minded proves that you know nothing about me.  Those who do know me, happen to be well aware that is the last words that could be used to describe me. It never ceases to amaze me that anyone who truly is NOT racist and does consider everyone to be equal are the ones who seem to judged the harshest. I happen to be extremely liberal and open minded, but people such as you refuse to believe it for some odd reason. And as to the "calm down" comment? Why in the world would I allow myself to become overly excited about something that has absolutely nothing to do with me? I wouldn't! It's people like you who have a chip on their shoulder who jump to that conclusion, and many more. And BTW, using exclamation points does not mean that I need to calm down, another misconception on your behalf. Good grief, get a life.

 

Now I remember why I haven't visited this message board in such a long time. Most of the people on here just want to argue, for arguments sake. I personally don't want to do or be involved with that. Enough said on this subject!

By how you have presented yourself. Even with your last post. What does it matter if we talk about sitcoms and the presidential candidates. You judged me first. I am not judging you. I see that you are close minded to the fact that the A lot of Americans Black and white are racist. I never said you were and you still got offended by that. You say people refuse to believe that you are liberal and open minded maybe you need to somehow find a way in your action to show that you are. Be considerate about this problem. Just because you feel it has nothing to do with you doesn't mean it don't. It has something to do with all of us. If we consider ourselves one people ,the ones who do, then we need to do what it takes to make each other comfortable to live in America, Whites, Blacks, Asians, Hispanics, ect. You are not going to change I don't expect you to. You may not be racist I have not said you were. You don't see color, you think everyone is judged by character. That is your perception. That is how you feel. I don't want to argue with no one. I was trying to put my point across that your Perception is not everyones perception.

 

 

 

 Words from Rachael( very well put ) "Maybe I don't label it racist but I think through their eyes I am. Well if I want to prove I am not then I am going to have to do that by showing respect. If whites have the power to change the world and stop racism and help blacks feel equal, why not use it."

 

Hunny I got a life and living it to the fullest no matter what anyone feels about me. I am happy. I Got the Best of Both Worlds.

 

 

 

 
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September 19, 2008, 7:12 am PDT

My Experience

I do not believe all whites are racist or all blacks. Through my experience I have been faced with racism from both. I accept that because I know that it is going to happen and that I understand the world and how it is. There are good apples and bad. I know that America needs to stop being divided and that racism should cease. I would love for it to be, but in all respect it probably will never be 100% gone. I as a mother of two beautiful children and one on the way, have to raise them to not be prejudiced or racist towards anyone and to treat everyone equally. Though I can not  be naive to the fact that they will endear it their selves from whites and blacks. It will happen I have prepared myself for that. Is that wrong of me???  When I said in past post about my children being accepted as Black and not White I did not mean that is how I accept them, but by experience I have noticed that is how it is and have even been told by their black grandmother that they are black children. I love my children for who they are not what they are but some of everyone else will not. Am I suppose to just accept and move on or prepare myself for it and know that it will happen thus keeping at least the thought of racism alive. Proving that it will never go away.

 
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September 19, 2008, 11:16 am PDT

Yes it makes since

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I'm sure your right that not all blacks think whites are racist. I keep forgetting to choose m words carefully. I believe in my post I forgot to use the word "some".

You said
"Am I suppose to just accept and move on or prepare myself for it (racism) and know it will happen thus keeping at least the thought of racism alive, proving that it will never go away"
With that being said in my personal opinion I'm sure you don't put that much thought in to the fact that you might get into a car accident ever time you get in the car, do you? You know the possibility is real but you know subconsciously when you get in the car to drive safely and pay attention to other drivers that may  cause you harm so you can be one step ahead and know how to avoid someone who's driving may harm you. I think that kind of thinking is applied to every aspect of life. So I think being careful with the company you choose to keep is important, black or white. However I aso think that "accept it" is kind of the same as "preparing yourself for it and knowing it will happen". To prepare yourself for it is a form of accepting. As far as "moving on" Unless you lock yourself in the house and don't answer the phone then you are moving on. Does that mean your keeping racism alive by preparing yourself for it. Absolutely not, it means your human. You were right about one thing for sure, it will never go away. There are way too many people in this world for that to happen but it will get better and that is what is important. We know that people drive drunk but it doesn't stop the fight against drunk driving. I can tell you this, when I was a kid my step dad drove drunk everyday and it was not considered then to be half as bad as we consider it now. The more people that stood up and said we are not going to put up with drunk driving the more people started to stand up too. Now if I see a drunk driver I will chase his butt down. Now will it ever go away, NO but it has improved so much since I was a kid. Maybe you might hear about it more now then years ago, that is only because like I said years ago no one really made it a big deal. I kind of think the same goes for blacks getting discriminated against. I think it seems like its real bad but in fact it was worse years ago the only difference now is, it is not tolerated the way it was before. So if someone performs a hate crime or a person is mistreated due to the color of their skin the media jumps all over it because it is something we are no longer tolerating in America. The media doesn't focus on things people don't care about so why would they expose a hate crime or crude act against a black person if no one cared. Do you see what I'm saying? So I think we should not forget about racism but continue the fight against it, more progress is being made then people realize. One last point, I don't assume when I drive that everyone is drunk unless theperson drives outside the line.  I think you should never assume someone is racist unless they too are "out of line". I hope it make sense, take care.

Yes I understand what you say and hope others do too. I don't go around looking for it or treat anyone as if they are racist until it happens. I am cautious for my children. I know when my children are around certain people I do tune in more to what is said. Like I said I do accept it cause it is what it is. But if someone called my children N's (white or Black) I would not be able to accept that. As a mother of mixed children I have think more of them. I will not treat anyone different or teach my kids too. I hope I can do the best to show them to be strong intelligent people.

 

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